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Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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Probably? I'm not asking for probably. If you're sure of yourself, find it.
And talent comes in various forms. Rooney hasn't got the silky skills of Ibrahimovic, but Ibrahimovic hasn't got the football brain of Rooney.
that thread is over 100 pages long, i'm not traipsing through it just to prove a point to you. I really don't care that much.
Would you say Berbatov has a good footballing brain?
Not being signed by Arsenal was down to arrogant stupidity not lack of fortune.
i was meaning more in the sense that it's unfortunate he wasnt braught to England because then we wouldnt be having these stupid debates about a player of undoubted quality who people still choose to doubt.
So the fact Ibrahimovic will create more goals and chances and link play with passing skill and flair more than Rooney does doesn't constitute to having as good a footballing brain?
Yes he does...
Different roles.
Ibrahimovic's output is by and large a result of his skills.
Rooney's output is by and large a result of his footballing brain.
people seem to think Zlatan is a player who does nothing but produce a bit of magic now and again but the truth is he's a wonderful team player. Just look at his goals or better yet look at his all round game. Some of the goals inter scored were breathtaking and Zlatan was almost always at the very center of that.
I'll post some highlights of the season. If you can do the same for Rooney which will show the same creativity, vision, technique i'll be very surprised.
I dont buy it cnut. You need to have a footballing brain to pick the right pass time and again, to do the right things on the pitch and then you need the technique and skill to pull off what it is you want to do with the ball.
Ibra does both as well if not better than Rooney. Honestly, his passing can be breathtaking, Ronaldinho in his pomp stuff.
You are right, you do.
Ibrahimovic obviously got a very good footballing brain.
Just not as good as Rooney's.
Just like Rooney is a very good technical player, just not the same skills as Ibrahimovic.
The only player I've seen at United with a better, natural footballing brain than Rooney is Paul Scholes.
Do they?
Zlatan - 154 goals in 348 appearances
Eto'o - 203 goals in 399 apps.
Considering Eto'o has had the chance to play for a much better team, there's hardly a major difference Don't know why silverware matters.
Zlatan is simply more talented than Eto'o, you just need to look at some of the goals he scores.
I think when you add the two together you get two fantastic players. Right now i think Ibrahimovic is a better footballer than Rooney, this can and should change when Rooney gets back to being a striker and polishes the edges of his game.
FOr me Rooney is a strange case, when he burst into the world of football i thought, "shit, this kid could be the best player around in a few years" but he has changes so much as a player. He's lost that directness, the willingness to run through a man and smash it in, the willingness to trust his left foot and he hasnt improved the weak sides like his heading enough. Now he has improved as a player but the very things that got everyone excited about him are harder to find in wayne.
IBra is the opposite, he's gotten better and better in every way. His left is very strong, he is good (still not amazing) in the air and his temprement has improved 10 fold as he has matured as a player and a person.
That's just my opinion and i'm sure no United fan would swap Rooney for anyone, even for a player like Messi in a lot of cases despite Messi being better. (even hardcore Rooney fans can admit as much)
And by the same token you can bet the fans of the teams Ibrahimovic plays for wouldnt swap him for anyone either.
Sorry to put this Eto'o rumour to bed guys, but it looks like he's already been fobbed off.......... To the mighty Panathinaikos FC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Eto'o
Someone print screen it for ultimate verification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Eto'o
Someone print screen it for ultimate verification.
Awful argument.
Listen mate, you are right - If Zlatan came to England people would be having orgasmic spasms..
You are the type of person to have an argument in an empty room.
Rooney is 23, and has played his football in the best and toughest league in the world throughout his career.
Ibrahimovic has played in Sweden, Holland and Italy, none of those leagues can match the Premiership.
Two great players. Whether one is better than the other, is irrelevant to me.
That's easy when you are online.
Ibrahimovic has had a better season.
True, but Rooney is the better player.
I wonder if you'd be as critical of the achievements of the likes of Shearer and Cantona who also spent their whole careers in leagues which were some distance away from being the best in Europe. Obviously at the moment the Premiership is top dog, and Serie A isn't as good as it was. But let's be realistic - it isn't some middling SPL-type league - it remains reasonably strong.
I am not CRITICAL to the achievements of Ibrahimovic.
And Serie A is the third best league in the world, slightly better than the German and the French leagues, but quite a distance behind La Liga and the Premiership.
ffs how about giving credit to the defense
?You're just implying we're a one man team and this is just ridiculous
How about all the seasons Eto'o has spent in that Mallorca team ?
Eto'o plays against much better teams as well.
Yup, but Ibrahimovic spent many years at Ajax and Malmo as well
Does he? The defending in La Liga is pretty poor. Anyway playing for a Barca team with Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Henry/Ronaldinho is quite clearly going to give you more chances to score than playing in a team with Cambiasso, Muntari, Stankovic.
Anyway all this doesn't matter, those stats were just to show than Zlatan scores goals wherever he plays like Eto'o.
Two of the biggests clubs in their respective countries, you mean?
Check the goalscoring stats, he played in some of the biggest teams in some weak leagues and his scoring record was still average if not shit.Whereas Eto'o was scoring goals consistently at Mallorca before signing for Barca
So now the fact that Ibrahimovic is Swedish and had to work his way up from a club like Malmo, get a move to Ajax aged 19 and then get a big move to Juve after 3 seasons with Ajax is a detraction?
ffs how about giving credit to the defense
You're just implying we're a one man team and this is just ridiculous
How so? You still need a defence to go through each round. Where have I said you dont?
But you need your main goalscorer to be scoring goals in the knockout stages of the champions league, else you arent going to win the tournament.
For example this season Ronaldo's goal against Porto made the difference in that tie and saw us progress.
Last season Ronaldo's goal against Lyon made the difference and his goal in the final meant that we could go on and win on penalties.
Now if Ronaldo had the same record and tendancy as Zlatan and didnt actually score any of those goals, we simply wouldnt have won the champions league last season or got to the final this season.
Seconded
You can't say just we wouldn't have won it as if it's certainty as you can't say Zlatan's lack of goals is the only reason to why Inter has flopped in Europe
You wouldn't, though.
Barcelona won't rely on Ibrahimovic for their goals in the Champions League knockout stages, because they don't have to.
Neither would we, if he was here.
I didnt. I said its as good a reason as any. If he lived up to his huge reputation in Italy, in the champions league knockout stages he'd have scored a few goals and his team would have gone a bit closer than they have.
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