Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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Eto'o started this season with a bang, the last two he wasnt great. Even at the end of this one he wasnt great despite playing in the most creative team around. His goals come in spurts, he got 4 in a first half and doubles etc

Zlatan is the only dimension Barca lack, the big man up front to hold it up. Eto'o will get into the channels and in behind but when you already have Henry, Messi and Iniesta available to do that then you don't need Eto'o doing it too.

He also is a trouble maker and you can say the same about Zlatan but in reality no manager he has ever worked for has had trouble and the only player he's had a bust up with is Van Der Vaart....
 
Richter said:
You have a point but maybe Ibra will end up like Berba at United. A different player type that ruins the flow in Barca's attack. Eto'o won't like the lack of space in Italy though. Still a interesting swap.
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But that can happen to every team with every new player. Stating that I much doubt that. Ibra is the missing piece that Barca need. He is tall, he can hold the ball and he can create chances (by dropping the ball) for Messi and co to act. They are not trying to reinvent the wheel by replacing a hardworking link man with a player who has a much more relaxed approach.

I do agree with you regarding Etoo though.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Eto'o started this season with a bang, the last two he wasnt great. Even at the end of this one he wasnt great despite playing in the most creative team around. His goals come in spurts, he got 4 in a first half and doubles etc

Zlatan is the only dimension Barca lack, the big man up front to hold it up. Eto'o will get into the channels and in behind but when you already have Henry, Messi and Iniesta available to do that then you don't need Eto'o doing it too.

He also is a trouble maker and you can say the same about Zlatan but in reality no manager he has ever worked for has had trouble and the only player he's had a bust up with is Van Der Vaart....
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Last season he was amazing despite his long term injury, his goal ratio was again very close to being 100%
 
Eto'o is a big game player. Even off form he tends to score buckets of goals. He sunk us in the champions league final out of nothing. Ibrahimovic as usual struggled to make an impression against us. Little bits of class closer to the half way line than the penalty area wasnt going to scare the then champions of europe.

I've seen a lot more of Eto'o but he is truly frightening. He does great things out of the blue and at full tilt he is very very hard to stop. Ibra i'm sure is more creative and maybe even more well rounded but as well documented, he never shows up on the big stage, something Eto'o has consistantly done over the course of his career.

For me if there were two strikers i'd like to have at United, it would be Torres or possibly a slightly younger Eto'o. Pace, power, skill and finishing.
 
Even if silverwares aren't taken into account (team achievement and all) Eto'o has done a lot more than Zlatan and for a longer time and at every level
 
I'd be gutted if Barcelona get him. He's such a terrific player. They will be even better than this season if they sign him.

All this big game bollocks is irritating. Wait until he plays for a side with the quality of United or Barcelona..
 
Its all well and good saying "Barcelona lack the big man in the middle" - but the way they play, they dont need one. It would be an added bonus, sure - but its no better than having Eto'o who has more pace and a proven record of being among the best goalscorers in the world in all competitions. Unlike Zlatan who is a league man.

IhabX7 said:
I'd be gutted if Barcelona get him. He's such a terrific player. They will be even better than this season if they sign him.

All this big game bollocks is irritating. Wait until he plays for a side with the quality of United or Barcelona..
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Christ :lol: He already plays for one of the top 5 sides in the champions league each season. He has had chances to score in the last 16 of the champions league - a couple of very good ones against us even. But he fluffed them.

But of course, if he were in a Barcelona shirt his accuracy would have improved of course. Thats what was wrong, his shirt. Not poor finishing.
 
Ekeke said:
Its all well and good saying "Barcelona lack the big man in the middle" - but the way they play, they dont need one. It would be an added bonus, sure - but its no better than having Eto'o who has more pace and a proven record of being among the best goalscorers in the world in all competitions. Unlike Zlatan who is a league man.



Christ :lol: He already plays for one of the top 5 sides in the champions league each season. He has had chances to score in the last 16 of the champions league - a couple of very good ones against us even. But he fluffed them.

But of course, if he were in a Barcelona shirt his accuracy would have improved of course. Thats what was wrong, his shirt. Not poor finishing.
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How can you say a stupid sentence like that and laugh at other people's opinion.

Inter are not in the quality of Barcelona and Manchester United. Inter are an aging team. Zlatan in the second leg was terrific for them, and if he played for us he would have scored. And what if he did score for Inter instead of hitting the bar, would he have been a Champions league player? because of an inch or two?

I'm sure he'd be a huge hit with a team that keeps posession as much as we or Barcelona do. He's got it all to be the best striker in the world.

He's a different player to Eto'o and it would be interesting if Eto'o would leave Barca, we'll see how Barca play without him. But I reckon if he'd play with him they'd be lethal.
 
IhabX7 said:
How can you say a stupid sentence like that and laugh at other people's opinion.

Inter are not in the quality of Barcelona and Manchester United. Inter are an aging team. Zlatan in the second leg was terrific for them, and if he played for us he would have scored.

I'm sure he'd be a huge hit with a team that keeps posession as much as we or Barcelona do. He's got it all to be the best striker in the world.

He's a different player to Eto'o and it would be interesting if Eto'o would leave Barca, we'll see how Barca play without him. But I reckon if he'd play with him they'd be lethal.
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Inter are NOT an aging team. They have quality youngsters too. Santon for example is a much better player then any of our youth players of his generation.
 
devilish said:
Inter are NOT an aging team. They have quality youngsters too. Santon for example is a much better player then any of our youth players of his generation.
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Their first choice defence and midfield are.

To be fair to them though they are a very good team, but like the Seria A as a league, they're not as good as the top teams in Spain and England.

Barbie.
 
IhabX7 said:
Their first choice defence and midfield are.
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They have veteran players backed by younger ones. You have players like the Zanetti, Viera and Materazzi on one side and players like Maicon, Santon and Muntari on the other. In the middle there are players who are at the peak of their career (Cambiasso, Samuel, Chivu etc). I wouldnt say that they are an old team


Barbie.
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CnutOfAllCnuts said:
MUCH better player than Fabio and Rafael?
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Yes.

He can move forward with a certain elegance (like Rafael does) + he can defend magnificently. Maldini had called him his natural successor (its like Gary Neville praising a Man City player) while he was one of the very few guys capable of holding Ronaldo at bay. Santon is probably one of the finest fullbacks in Europe and he is still 18 years of age.
 
devilish said:
They have veteran players backed by younger ones. You have players like the Zanetti, Viera and Materazzi on one side and players like Maicon, Santon and Muntari on the other. In the middle there are players who are at the peak of their career (Cambiasso, Samuel, Chivu etc). I wouldnt say that they are an old team

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Maicon is 27-28, Muntari is 25.

Not exactly youngsters.
 
devilish said:
Yes.

He can move forward with a certain elegance (like Rafael does) + he can defend magnificently. Maldini had called him his natural successor while he was one of the very few guys capable of holding Ronaldo at bay.
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Typical knee-jerk hype from you.

Santon, by all means, looks a very promising player.

Like Rafael and Fabio.

But, he is Italian and plays for an Italian club, so obviously he is a much better player....

What Maldini calls him makes him no better or worse than what he is.

You claimed John O'Shea was the new Maldini a few years ago.
 
Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti has played down talk of a swap deal involving Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Barcelona striker Samuel Eto'o.

Sweden international Ibrahimovic's future is uncertain and he has been linked with a summer move away from Serie A this summer.

Barca are said to be interested in his services and the player's agent has confirmed the Spanish giants would be a tempting destination.

"I only know that if the two clubs find an agreement we would not have trouble agreeing with Barcelona," Mino Raiola told reporters.

It has been suggested Eto'o, whose future is also the subject of conjecture, could leave Barca, and a swap deal has been mooted.

But Moratti, who met with Barca supremo Joan Laporta on Thursday, said: "It has been only a dinner between friends.

"I don't see an Ibrahimovic-Eto'o exchange."
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http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5364637,00.html
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Typical knee-jerk hype from you.

Santon, by all means, looks a very promising player.

Like Rafael and Fabio.

But, he is Italian and plays for an Italian club, so obviously he is a much better player....

What Maldini calls him makes him no better or worse than what he is.

You claimed John O'Shea was the new Maldini a few years ago.
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I think that I was clear enough why I rate Santon above Rafael and Fabio.
 
IhabX7 said:
How can you say a stupid sentence like that and laugh at other people's opinion.
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Becaus the ones in this thread are ridiculously blinkered opinions. Zlatan IS a league man. You look at his record and its very good in his league. You look at his record in europe and with his country and its not impressive. He's a league man at the moment.

Inter are not in the quality of Barcelona and Manchester United. Inter are an aging team. Zlatan in the second leg was terrific for them, and if he played for us he would have scored. And what if he did score for Inter instead of hitting the bar, would he have been a Champions league player? because of an inch or two?
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Why should a striker NEED to be at Barcelona or Manchester United to score in the last 16 of the champions league, ever ?

If you need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to get onto the scoresheet, then you're not a very good goalscorer are you.

He should be able to score goals in the pressure rounds for Inter, its that simple. And he hasnt managed it, ever.

I'm sure he'd be a huge hit with a team that keeps posession as much as we or Barcelona do. He's got it all to be the best striker in the world.

He's a different player to Eto'o and it would be interesting if Eto'o would leave Barca, we'll see how Barca play without him. But I reckon if he'd play with him they'd be lethal.
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I'm sure Ibrahimovic would do well in la liga and you'd imagine he'd finally get a goal or two in the last 16 of the champions league. But David Bellion could score in the last 16 of the champions league for Barcelona. Its not exactly the sign of a great player.

Not being able to score in the last 16 with Inter - who may not be as good as United or Barcelona, but should be very competative with all the other sides in the tournament, is a sign that actually you arent as good a striker as you're made out to be in Italy.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Moratti met with Laporta in Barcelona.

It would appear some sort of deal is going to be struck and Ibra will be lining up for Barcelona next season.
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Ah feck it. I really hoped we would go for him in case Tevez leaves.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Typical knee-jerk hype from you.

Santon, by all means, looks a very promising player.

Like Rafael and Fabio.

But, he is Italian and plays for an Italian club, so obviously he is a much better player....

What Maldini calls him makes him no better or worse than what he is.

You claimed John O'Shea was the new Maldini a few years ago.
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he's quite different to Rafael and Fabio to be fair, he's made the position his own at Inter.

He is a big strong lad too who looks defensively solid as well as good going forward. A very natural defender. Rafael is a great talent (i wont comment on Fabio, i have seen him maybe once or was it Rafael??!) going forward but defensively i think he is still very raw.

Hence J O'S keeping him out the team.
 
Ekeke said:
Becaus the ones in this thread are ridiculously blinkered opinions. Zlatan IS a league man. You look at his record and its very good in his league. You look at his record in europe and with his country and its not impressive. He's a league man at the moment.



Why should a striker NEED to be at Barcelona or Manchester United to score in the last 16 of the champions league, ever ?

If you need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to get onto the scoresheet, then you're not a very good goalscorer are you.

He should be able to score goals in the pressure rounds for Inter, its that simple. And he hasnt managed it, ever.



I'm sure Ibrahimovic would do well in la liga and you'd imagine he'd finally get a goal or two in the last 16 of the champions league. But David Bellion could score in the last 16 of the champions league for Barcelona. Its not exactly the sign of a great player.

Not being able to score in the last 16 with Inter - who may not be as good as United or Barcelona, but should be very competative with all the other sides in the tournament, is a sign that actually you arent as good a striker as you're made out to be in Italy.
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Stupid last 16 stat again and again. He hit the bar against us and went close on other occasions, does this mean he cant score? He would have done just that on another day.
No, he doesnt need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to score a goal, thats just bloody stupid. But it would get the absolute best out of him, because he is as naturally gifted as any other striker in the world, and having the top service of suplly from midfield would get him more scoring opportinuties other than the ones he magically carves for himself.
 
Ekeke said:
Becaus the ones in this thread are ridiculously blinkered opinions. Zlatan IS a league man. You look at his record and its very good in his league. You look at his record in europe and with his country and its not impressive. He's a league man at the moment.



Why should a striker NEED to be at Barcelona or Manchester United to score in the last 16 of the champions league, ever ?

If you need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to get onto the scoresheet, then you're not a very good goalscorer are you.

He should be able to score goals in the pressure rounds for Inter, its that simple. And he hasnt managed it, ever.



I'm sure Ibrahimovic would do well in la liga and you'd imagine he'd finally get a goal or two in the last 16 of the champions league. But David Bellion could score in the last 16 of the champions league for Barcelona. Its not exactly the sign of a great player.

Not being able to score in the last 16 with Inter - who may not be as good as United or Barcelona, but should be very competative with all the other sides in the tournament, is a sign that actually you arent as good a striker as you're made out to be in Italy.
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Dribble, trollop, drivel, dribbling drivel.

Why are united thinking of spending 25mil on Tevez when clearly they are so good they could stick my mum up top and she'd bag a few goals....

seriously mate, clueless.

why do the best teams in the world buy the best players? why didnt Forlan hit it off for United?

the flaws in your argument are so bold and so bright that i can't really begin to understand where you find the logic.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
he's quite different to Rafael and Fabio to be fair, he's made the position his own at Inter.

He is a big strong lad too who looks defensively solid as well as good going forward. A very natural defender. Rafael is a great talent (i wont comment on Fabio, i have seen him maybe once or was it Rafael??!) going forward but defensively i think he is still very raw.

Hence J O'S keeping him out the team.
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Yes, clearly different type of player to the twins, but a MUCH better player?

Whether he's made the position his own at Inter, I don't know, as I have not seen Inter enough to know. But he started 18 games for Inter last season, Rafael started 21 for United.

And United being the better team, it should be easier to establish yourself in Inter's team.
 
As for Ibrahimovic at United or any other English club.

Don't think he would fancy the premiership. Hasn't got the bollox for it.
 
IhabX7 said:
Stupid last 16 stat again and again. He hit the bar against us and went close on other occasions, does this mean he cant score? He would have done just that on another day.
No, he doesnt need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to score a goal, thats just bloody stupid. But it would get the absolute best out of him, because he is as naturally gifted as any other striker in the world, and having the top service of suplly from midfield would get him more scoring opportinuties other than the ones he magically carves for himself.
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ignoring the fact he set up all their other good chances which his team mates couldnt put away also....

Before this season Messi was also a big game bottler, a last 16 wanna be and in the pocket of every english side he came up against.

These stupid stats are no way to measure a player, you can find a stat for anyone that makes them look shit.

Ronaldo hasnt scored against Spanish opposition!!!! this is spanish teams! from spain! where the defending according to some on here is championship for the most part :lol:

so basically Ronaldo isn't good enough, he cant score against spanish teams :lol:

idiotic opinions fueled by idiotic pundits like Andy Gray etc
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Dribble, trollop, drivel, dribbling drivel.

Why are united thinking of spending 25mil on Tevez when clearly they are so good they could stick my mum up top and she'd bag a few goals....

seriously mate, clueless.

why do the best teams in the world buy the best players? why didnt Forlan hit it off for United?

the flaws in your argument are so bold and so bright that i can't really begin to understand where you find the logic.
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Exactly.. :wenger:
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
As for Ibrahimovic at United or any other English club.

Don't think he would fancy the premiership. Hasn't got the bollox for it.
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he already said in the past that he would prefer to move to england than spain because he already speaks fluent english.

To be fair to him he said he would only join one of 4 clubs, i reckon that was the two spanish big boys and the two english big boys.

Right now the team everyone wants to play for is Barcelona, you cant really blame him for wanting to play there.
 
IhabX7 said:
Stupid last 16 stat again and again. He hit the bar against us and went close on other occasions, does this mean he cant score? He would have done just that on another day.
No, he doesnt need to be at Manchester United or Barcelona to score a goal, thats just bloody stupid. But it would get the absolute best out of him, because he is as naturally gifted as any other striker in the world, and having the top service of suplly from midfield would get him more scoring opportinuties other than the ones he magically carves for himself.
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Yes he hit the bar and came close on another occasion. Missed chances.

He's had other days in the champions league final 16 rounds. He didnt score on those days either.

What you are saying is, he's extremely talented (and its true without doubt) but if he wants to score in the last 16 of the champions league, he'll only do it at Manchester United or Barcelona.

Thats not the sign of a great player. Sorry.

I do believe he can come good at a new club. I do believe he can become the 'star' a lot of people think he is already, if he were to go to Barcelona or Real. But right now he's another very good player who has the potential to be great. And there are no guarantees.

Swapping Eto'o out for Ibrahimovic will most likely do the following :

Ibra would come in and improve Barcelona's general play and work well in team moves. He'd score a good amount of goals in the league, though most likely less than Eto'o. When it comes to the last 16 of the champions league, he wont score - unlike Eto'o who Barcelona were always able to count on. Which could be key to Barcelona going out of the competition.

Overall Barcelona will be weakening their side by replacing Eto'o with Ibrahimovic, like Ibra wants them to.
 
Ekeke said:
Yes he hit the bar and came close on another occasion. Missed chances.

He's had other days in the champions league final 16 rounds. He didnt score on those days either.

What you are saying is, he's extremely talented (and its true without doubt) but if he wants to score in the last 16 of the champions league, he'll only do it at Manchester United or Barcelona.

Thats not the sign of a great player. Sorry.

I do believe he can come good at a new club. I do believe he can become the 'star' a lot of people think he is already, if he were to go to Barcelona or Real. But right now he's another very good player who has the potential to be great. And there are no guarantees.

Swapping Eto'o out for Ibrahimovic will most likely do the following :

Ibra would come in and improve Barcelona's general play and work well in team moves. He'd score a good amount of goals in the league, though most likely less than Eto'o. When it comes to the last 16 of the champions league, he wont score - unlike Eto'o who Barcelona were always able to count on. Which could be key to Barcelona going out of the competition.

Overall Barcelona will be weakening their side by replacing Eto'o with Ibrahimovic, like Ibra wants them to.
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He could score a penalty or a shit deflected three times goal.. Would he be a great player then?

How can you know he wont score in the last 16 next season? What the feck you're so funny :lol:
 
Ekeke said:
Yes he hit the bar and came close on another occasion. Missed chances.

He's had other days in the champions league final 16 rounds. He didnt score on those days either.

What you are saying is, he's extremely talented (and its true without doubt) but if he wants to score in the last 16 of the champions league, he'll only do it at Manchester United or Barcelona.

Thats not the sign of a great player. Sorry.

I do believe he can come good at a new club. I do believe he can become the 'star' a lot of people think he is already, if he were to go to Barcelona or Real. But right now he's another very good player who has the potential to be great. And there are no guarantees.

Swapping Eto'o out for Ibrahimovic will most likely do the following :

Ibra would come in and improve Barcelona's general play and work well in team moves. He'd score a good amount of goals in the league, though most likely less than Eto'o. When it comes to the last 16 of the champions league, he wont score - unlike Eto'o who Barcelona were always able to count on. Which could be key to Barcelona going out of the competition.

Overall Barcelona will be weakening their side by replacing Eto'o with Ibrahimovic, like Ibra wants them to.
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Jesus, you do realize anyone can score a goal. Park scored in the semi does that make him a great player?

The boys from porto who scored agaisnt United, are they automatically being linked to the best clubs in world football the way Zlatan is?

But they scored in the last 16!! they must be amazing! :lol:

jog on mate.
 
This logic that a player must score goals under specific circumstances is retarded.As FV pointed out, Ronaldo has never really impressed against Spanish oppositions but he's one of the best players in the world...
 
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