Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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i see you're a fan cnut
Nah, couldn't really give a monkey about Ibrahimovic.
Find it funny that some football fans are so in love with certain players.
Good player, not as good as you make him out to be though.
It's all opinions, you dont play for Juve, Inter and then Barcelona in your career without being a bit special.
Clearly a good player.
Got all the talent in the world.
Would have been even better if he had the application and attitude to match his talent.
Personally, I wouldn't have swapped Eto'o for Ibrahimovic.
He could score a penalty or a shit deflected three times goal.. Would he be a great player then?
How can you know he wont score in the last 16 next season? What the feck you're so funny
He's played 16 games in the final 16 of the champions league. He's not scored once.
He's been unable to score against Milan(x2), Real Madrid(x2), Liverpool(x2), Werder Bremen(x2), Arsenal(x2), Valencia(x2), Liverpool(x2), Manchester United(x2) all whilst playing for teams where he could have scored against the opposition.
He's a serial non-scorer in the last 16 of the champions league and thats as good a reason as any as to why he's never won the tournament.
He's like Cantona cnut, bad attitude but at the right club under the right coach he's awesome. Mourinho was getting the best out of him, he had a very good relationship with him but he is ambitious and losing to United and the way they played really upset him. He realized Inter were not capable of competing with the likes of United.
It can of course be a reason but at the same it's a funny reasoning
As if the entire Inter Milan CL chances depended on him scoring goals
It makes him a more reliable goal scorer in the important rounds of the champions league. Yes, even Ji Sung Park.
Nope. But if you have designs on winning the trophy you'd be better off playing Lisandro Lopez than Zlatan Ibrahimovic. You could of course play both and have a better chance of winning - but if Ibrahimovic is your star striker, you're in for a tough ride winning a competition he cant score in when it matters.
Lisandro Lopez has 3 goals in 6 matches in the final 16.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic is 0 for 16 matches in the final 16.
Who cares???
It can of course be a reason but at the same it's a funny reasoning
As if the entire Inter Milan CL chances depended on him scoring goals
If Ronaldo didnt score goals in the last 16 of the champions league, how would we do?
He's their star player, their star striker - Basically if you cant score in 16 matches in a row, you're looking for team mates to carry you past each round. Thats not to say Ibrahimovic wouldnt be the one setting that player up - but in terms of goal scoring, something a striker is expected to do often and in all competitions - Zlatan hasnt pulled his weight.
In the match against United he was INters best player, he set up the best chances for his team.
Same against Liverpool.
Ronaldo has never scored against spainish teams. So he should just not bother playing against Spanish teams as he is so clearly ineffective against them
In the match against United he was INters best player, he set up the best chances for his team.
Same against Liverpool.
Ronaldo has never scored against spainish teams. So he should just not bother playing against Spanish teams as he is so clearly ineffective against them
Ronaldo is a right winger. And you dont have to beat Spanish teams to win the champions league.
This is why Ronaldo has won the tournament
However, Zlatan has a problem playing against English, Spanish, Italian and German sides in the rounds that matter in the competition.
This is why Zlatan hasn't won the tournament.
Ronaldo is a right winger. And you dont have to beat Spanish teams to win the champions league.
This is why Ronaldo has won the tournament
Barcelona are Spanish....
United have never won a European competition without seeing off a Spanish team...
Football is clearly a one man game. Thanks Ekeke.
Ronaldo is a right winger. And you dont have to beat Spanish teams to win the champions league.
This is why Ronaldo has won the tournament
However, Zlatan has a problem playing against English, Spanish, Italian and German sides in the rounds that matter in the competition.
This is why Zlatan hasn't won the tournament.
you are so deluded it is unreal.
You really think that the reason none of the teams Ibrahimovic has played for have won the CL is because of him alone?
How many players play in a football team? do you even know that the game is played with 11 players in each team?
do you even know that the game is played with 11 players in each team?
Unless you play against Liverpool...
they need all the advantages they can get to be fair.
But you dont have to. Do you?
I didnt say he's won it without beating a Spanish side, or that we have. Just that you can.
you are so deluded it is unreal.
You really think that the reason none of the teams Ibrahimovic has played for have won the CL is because of him alone?
If I had thought that I'd have said that. Try reading this thread again.
How many players play in a football team? do you even know that the game is played with 11 players in each team?
Yeah, you're really reaching now.
So basically you have nothing to put forward to defend your favourite player from that fact that he, a striker, has not scored in the 16 most important matches he's played in the champions league.
Thats what I thought.
Very good player. Capable of becoming a great player at the world's best clubs. But if he goes to Barcelona at the expense of Eto'o, Barcelona have downgraded.
I'd suggest a side that just won every possible trophy they could win doesn't lack any dimensions. I'd also suggest losing a man who just scored 36 goals in 52 games lacks you a dimension in itself
You talk about scoring multiple goals in a game like it's a bad thing!!! All strikers do it. Ibrahimovic's international record would look a whole lot shoddier if he hadn't netted four against the might of Malta for instance, or twice against San Marino when the game was already won. As for bursts of scoring... well that's just called being a striker, it's the same for everybody. And again, Ibrahimovic went 12 qualifiers and 2 years without scoring for his country. And of course famously he's never even scored a goal in the knockout rounds of the Champions League, having played what 16 times? That goes beyond co-incidence at some point. Ajax, Juventus, Inter... these aren't shite teams he's carrying in a one man style as some are making outHe's a very good player, someone who perhaps has even more talent than he's managed to show so far. But as a striker, Eto'o rips the piss out of him
you've already proved to everyone in this thread that your a wum and a bit thick Ekeke, jog on.
You do not HAVE to, but you are VERY likely to have to see off Spanish teams in order to win the CL.
Just as any non-English teams are likely to have to see off English teams.
I'd suggest a side that just won every possible trophy they could win doesn't lack any dimensions. I'd also suggest losing a man who just scored 36 goals in 52 games lacks you a dimension in itself
He's a very good player, someone who perhaps has even more talent than he's managed to show so far. But as a striker, Eto'o rips the piss out of him
Wayne Rooney
Its not nice when someone picks on your son, is it?
You can draw against them in the group stages and draw against them in the knockout stages.
You only need to beat them in the final and even then you can do it on penalties.
Just to point out though, when I was talking about Ronaldo and Ibrahimovic I was joking. Thats why the faces were there.
I dont really care, everyone was ripping the piss out of Messi before the last 16, the quarters and the final and if all it takes is one goal in the last 16 of the champions league for muppets like yourself then it doesnt really matter what you think of Ibrahimovic.
The fact that he'll probably score in the last 16 at some point is of no consequence in my opinion. He's proven himself to be a great player for years and it takes more than a goal at a certain stage in a certain comp to prove that.
What kind of answer is that?
Really? I wasnt. In fact last jan I claimed Barcelona would win the treble and Messi would end up the top scorer.
Cant say the same of Ibrahimovic though. Domestically a fantastic player, a lot of improving to do on the grandest stage.
Didnt he go a simelar stretch for england? that's with Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick and co compared to Tobias Linderoth.
I'm sure he went over a year without an international goal. Also i dont think his european goal scoring record is all that impressive but does that detract from what i think of him as a player. Are these things going to change my opinion of him? not really.
last jan?
as in january 5 months ago? after Messi had already scored a shit load in europe and Barca were romping the league?
genius.
If you really want to compare Rooney to Ibrahimovic, I'm going to make you look very silly indeed
I rate rooney, but he did go over a year without an international goal playing for a much stronger side than Sweden. And his goal scoring record in europe isn't all that for a striker.
But please, make me look very silly. Ibrahimovic clearly isn't comparable to Rooney in anyway....
Yes half way through the season.
Oh I see, so you can point out where you predicted the same would happen then? I'd love to see that
probably in the massive lionel messi thread where i said i thought they would win everything and that Messi would win all the awards and be proven as the best player in the world.
I want you to do this Brad, I'm interested in this argument.
I rate rooney, but he did go over a year without an international goal playing for a much stronger side than Sweden. And his goal scoring record in europe isn't all that for a striker.
But please, make me look very silly. Ibrahimovic clearly isn't comparable to Rooney in anyway....
You're missing half the point when you focus on Rooney's goal scoring record for a start, half the time he isn't played as a typical centre forward is. Yet he still has a strong goal haul (in fact, looking at career goals here, Zlatan has 154 goals in 348 games, while Rooney has 114 in 311, so he still aint too far behind. And Rooney has the better international record). And he gives you far, far, far more than that
Here are a few of the things Rooney has achieved, that your fiancée hasn't...
- Played in one of the two strongest leagues in the world
- Coped with the pressure of playing for one of the very best teams in the world
- Scored in the knockout stages of the Champions League, or even played well
- Won the bloody Champions League, and been a vital part in that
Maybe the lad has the talent, and when he does eventually make the move, he'll prove all his doubters wrong. But for my money, 23 year old Wayne Rooney is a class apart from 27 year old Ibrahimovic, and he's proved that in his short career so far. Anyone that would swap Rooney for him is absolute raving bonkers
No one with his level of self confidence can fail to have the bollocks.
Yes because goals are all Ekeke and the likes are talking about, so i was arguing against goals. Goals arent all it's about, Ibrahimovic is the single most creative center forward in world football. It is his creativity and spontaneity that set him apart.
So you dismiss italian football because Ibrahimovic has done well in it. He actually got to the later stages whilst playing for Ajax, starring against sides like Arsenal, Roma, Valencia, Inter, Lyon... Good Ajax side that year in fairness and they were unlucky to be beaten 3-2 by AC Milan who went onto win it.
So Ibrahimovic has a better goal scoring record than Rooney and is undoubtably more creative despite Rooney being a creative forward.
Rooney doesnt have the talent of Ibra but what he does have is desire, workrate and strengh. He'll chase lost causes and track back. Thanks to this he's slowely becoming Dirk Kuyt like, a striker who due to his work rate is played wide.
Talent wise Ibrahimovic has more. He's been unfortunate with a few things. Perhaps the biggest one is the fact he wasnt signed by United or Arsenal when he was a youngster and went to Italy where he has been a stand out player. More so than Kaka, Shevchenko and co yet it's ignored because his sides have struggled in europe and he isnt in the glare of the english media the way EPL players are.
Anytime Ibrahimovic is up against EPL sides the tabliods go to town on him and you hear everyone talking about how rubbish this ibrahimovic guy is. The same was being said about Messi! it's laughable and i've said it all along, i want him to go to the prem. It's unfortunate he's going to go to Barca because again if he does do it it'll be because he's at Barcelona.
Some people cant win and Ibrahimovic despite being rated massively in spain and italy will never be rated in england.
Frankly, is there anything about Ibrahimovic and his career that you don't know?
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