They haven't been over the top at all.
To Zlatan's defenders, what did he actually do tonight that makes my appraisal of him being a "waste of space", wrong?
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They haven't been over the top at all.
To Zlatan's defenders, what did he actually do tonight that makes my appraisal of him being a "waste of space", wrong?
It's the fact that a striker was taken off and another put on that really puts the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a formation reshuffle to exchange roles, it was like for like. Astonishing.
It was indicative of the fact that he offered nothing to the cause.
Considering his standing in the game and his transfer fee, it was a really poor showing.
Hehe. Zlata****.
He's probably a (far) more expensive and moody version of Berbatov.
He's probably a (far) more expensive and moody version of Berbatov.
Some people forget this is the same Inter defence that made Drogba look like a pile of crap over two legs.
Zlatan looks average whenever he takes part in big Champions League games. He's been underwhelming for years.
I guess you missed the Arsenal game and the group stages then.
He's 28 years old and has played for a number of Europe's top clubs and you can only name a few matches in this season's CL to back yourself up. Even then, he scored a brace against a massively weakened Arsenal side.
Why do you think Pep took him off after 60 mins?
I don't think he fits the Barcelona system.
Well, I'd say I agree with you on that.
Thing is, he never did the business in Europe for Juve or Inter either.
He won't do anything when playing while standing...neither will berbatov
Erm
He scored once in the group stages, during the home defeat to Rubin Kazan. That having played 450 minutes of football
But he does have a gargantuan haul of 3 knock out phase goals in his career.
They are plenty of great players who never took the simplest option. Which is what also made them great. I just feel this fella gets to much u necessary stick. Last night being a prime example. I know no striker who would have got consistent joy from that Inter defence. Especially when you think Barca only managed to create on clear chance all game. Which Bojan headed wide. For all we know Zlatan could have put that way if he was still on pitch. But that's speculation.
Bullshit man. Messi was just as poor.
Well Zlatan has not had a team to get him there. So when he gets there you can start judging hid performances there againt Eto'o's there. Right now though he has been at the same stage as Eto'o has been and done just as poorly as Eto'o did at the same stage.I'd imagine we should because it doesn't get any bigger than the champions league final, and Eto'o has produced on both occasions he's been there
I'm not making any excuses. I'm just pointing out obvious things. I just don't see where you or any one else get's off slamming Zlatan and claiming Eto'o would have done so much better. When at the very same stage over the past 2 year he was rank shit. In a Barca side playing at much higher level than this one did last night.
This business of Zlatan faced 10 men doesn't cut it as a criticism at all. Especially when the 10 men decided to put all of themselves in the 18 yard box. (0 shots on target for over 94 minutes)
No it isn't. You are so biased in favour of Eto'o that you gloss over his own failing like they don't exist yet highlight Zlatan's to the highest heavens.
The way you diss Zlatan's domestic record thus far, one would think Eto'o. in a stronger Inter side than Zlatan ever had was proving what a waste of a deal replacing him with Zlatan was. By wrecking all Zlatan did in an Inter shirt. When in actual fact he hasn't faired that well either.
I have no problem with people having a go at Zlatan for what he did last night. But they have no business going over the top. Or bending the truth to suit their views.
Sure. That's why in his last 2 appearances in a Barca shirt in champions league semi's Eto'o was so special he scored a grand total of zero goals. On top of being fairly anonymous through out.
He doesn't move enough for Barcelona's style of play and taking him off tonight with 30 minutes to go was pretty damning unless there is an injury we are unaware of. Bojan's quickness and movement got him into two goal scoring positions which was more than Ibra managed while on, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the summer.
In the summer the threat Henry offered them down the left flank will finally be replaced. As good as Pedro is, he just isn't the answer to that flank for them.
I also think getting a proper alternative to Iniesta will be in order.
I also think getting a proper alternative to Iniesta will be in order.
yeah but Etoo also scored the goal which changed the nature of the match in the final (and it was just tapping the ball in, he made the goal too). That alone is much more than Ibrahamovich has ever done (in terms of significance)
While Zlatan has never had the opportunity to be in a final. When he gets to one, you can bring out Eto'o's 2 final goals.
ok, then can you quote another display which would be worth comparing.
And another point to make, is that the player in question is each case is an important component of the team, and the failure of his respective team to reach the final, is in a way a reflection of him too. So you really can't use that as an excuse.
I don't really care about either player, but on the basis of effectiveness on most days, i know Eto'o would be my choice.
It's good having the old, insane, Chief back.
He was making far too much sense for far too long.
I already did earleir . Eto'o had 2 champions league semi final in a Barca shirt. He was as bad as Zlatan in both. Even in a stronger side than the one Zlatan was in last night.
I can't agree. 1 player can't drag a team to a final, unless he is Maradona or Pele. Most players need a strong base to drag forward. Zlatan never had one at Inter.
Fair enough. For me I just don't by this idea that Eto'o is better. All he is is faster and more physical.
i never liked him as a player and he was poor again, doesnt really fit Barca's style either, he seems like an alien in that team.
Yes you are
He had a team over the two legs of this semi final this year to get him there?
The team they just got knocked out against, there's not that many changed personnel from the side Zlatan played for
It's actually excuse after excuse after excuse... and none of them are very convincing excuses either
how do you say that the current side is weaker than last year? if anything you improve with experience. the thing is they faced good opposition. If a good defensive team can't make a great player ineffective, they are not very good defensively are they (ok, a mistake can occur). The thing is, if one were to accept your argument that Barca were better last year, then one could claim that Eto'o contributed to that by being mobile, direct and tricky to handle on the ball.
As for your argument about who is a better player, it depends on what you value, but I would say if one has to pick a striker it has to Eto'o, and maybe Ibrahamvich would be the better creative forward.
However, the flaw in that would be, it would be discounting the movement that Eto'o brings, which requires some imagination and knowledge of the game too. To say that Eto'o is just faster and more physical is not true. If anything Ibrahamovich is more physical because of his size (ok he might not use it very well, but it can be argued that it is still more physically effective than Eto'o using his physical side)
PS: and when i meant a comparable performance, I meant a positive one from Ibrahamovich, not a negative one from Eto'o
Rather It's you coming up with excuse after excuse to justify your Zlatan bashing to big up Eto'o. All I'm doing is poking holes in your weak arguments. You love to claim Eto'o is so superior to Zlatan when he really hasn't proved it at all. When he hasn't proved it at all. Not at Barca at the same stage last year. Nor at Inter either this season.
The Chief does enjoy sticking up for these tall lazy ****s!
Watching Zlatan over these 2 legs actually made me appreciate Berba more, I mean, at least over 2 legs Berba would've shown some Berbasex moments. Zlatan didn't even show me a single nice touch or flick.
Berba > Zlatan
Watching Zlatan over these 2 legs actually made me appreciate Berba more, I mean, at least over 2 legs Berba would've shown some Berbasex moments. Zlatan didn't even show me a single nice touch or flick.
Berba > Zlatan
i am sorry but i haven't yet got a reply to my post in which your arguments are proven to be weak too.
And how can you really say that Eto'o hasn't proven himself at Barca when everyone agreed that the reason he is being sold is not performance but attitude (and i find not much wrong considering the amount of work he was willing to put in for his team over two legs)
That's easy:
1. No inform Henry down the left flank
2. No inform Iniesta alongside Xavi in center midfield.
3. No Puyol in defence
4. Messi down the middle and not on the flank. Meaning Inter wasn't stretched at all by the Barca attack last night.
If he was all those things why was he just as poor in last year's semi final as Zlatan was this year? Despite having the added advantage of Messi and an inform Henry stretching the defence he was facing and both Ineista and Xavi supplying him from behind?
People are just making a bit too much of Zlatan's performance last night. For my money he was just blanked out just like the rest of his team bya superb defensive display. Just like what happened to Eto'o last year. Before Iniesta intervened, after loads of help from Ovrebo keeping Barca in the tie.
Trust me. Zlatan's size doesn't make him more physical than Eto'o. For he doesn't use his size like a Drogba. Eto'o is way more physical and it's shows in his work rate. Eto'o is also believed to have better movement because he is faster. There is nothing in his play the indicates he is cleverer than Zlatan. If anything it's quite the opposite. For me I'd rather have a Zlatan in my side. Because I like my lead striker to be excellent at linking up play and creating things for team mates. Even if it means less goal for them.
All Zlatan did at Inter are good enough examples. People love to discount what he did in the Serie A for them.
One of Rubbers pin up poster boys is being dissed so out come the vehement defences of him.
Zlatan has a lot of skill, but has long been overrated as a player.
We're lucky though, we get to judge everyone against Rooney, so everyone looks shite in comparison.
Except Berbatov of course.........HA!
Zlatan has a lot of skill, but has long been overrated as a player.
We're lucky though, we get to judge everyone against Rooney, so everyone looks shite in comparison.
Except Berbatov of course.........HA!
That is really not what I said. I never said Eto'o hasn't proved himself at Barca. That would be re writing history. Rather I simply said that he didn't do any better than Zlatan did last night. At this same stage twice. In the very same Barca shirt. Yet now everyone wants to claim if he was in a Barca shirt tonight he would have easily surpassed Zlatan. All I want is for people to stick to the facts. Not get carried away by their own pre conceived ideas about both players.
are you for real? You want to tell me Messi has not been really poor over the two legs vs Inter? you believe I've just made that up?
It's good having the old, insane, Chief back.
He was making far too much sense for far too long.
It wouldn't have been difficult for anyone to have surpassed what Ibrahimovic did last night, except maybe Dimi. He'd have run him close in the effort stakes perhaps though.
Spot on.
As for Messi, I'll bet that was the first time this season he has had a barrier of minimum 8 players lined up in front of him. It's hard to break that down, more so when it's a team that keeps shape as well as this Inter team do. As many have said, it was a great defensive performance. But it's all about one miss here, one goal there. As a wonder strike by Robben robbed us, so a wonder miss by Kricic robbed Barca.
Sure. That is why the champion that cause, namely Eto'o faired so much better in a similar situation a year ago.
Still not seeing what Ibrahimovic offers. Another game, another masterclass in underwhelmingness.
I also don't think he fits with Barca's style very well. I can see why they'd profit from a proper striker who gets in the box, rather than yet another tiny wizard buzzing around outside it. But Ibrahimovic slows the play down, he seems to take a touch, toy with the idea of beating his man, then lay it off...
I also don't think he fits with Barca's style very well. I can see why they'd profit from a proper striker who gets in the box, rather than yet another tiny wizard buzzing around outside it. But Ibrahimovic slows the play down, he seems to take a touch, toy with the idea of beating his man, then lay it off...
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