Like at Inter? He was the best player in the team, won them the league three times. Inter weren't a good enough team to challenge in Europe IMO. Now Ibra is at a better club and there's no surprise he's doing well. The way he changed Barca when he came on, is something to be praised as well. The team wasn't functioning as well before. Oh and I doubt you would rate him had he went to Real, you'd just say there's Kaka/Ronaldo there blah blah.
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Like at Inter? He was the best player in the team, won them the league three times. Inter weren't a good enough team to challenge in Europe IMO. Now Ibra is at a better club and there's no surprise he's doing well. The way he changed Barca when he came on, is something to be praised as well. The team wasn't functioning as well before. Oh and I doubt you would rate him had he went to Real, you'd just say there's Kaka/Ronaldo there blah blah.
Funny. I could have sworn Inter were still running away with Seria A this season without him...
But he won them the league three teams. Sure
And of course they were good enough to challenge in Europe. They didn't because they had players like Ibrahimovic, who just didn't perform when needed
Off the top of my head, strikers I'd take over Ibrahimovic...
Drogba
Anelka
Rooney
Van Persie
Torres
David Villa
Eto'o
Aguero
Forlan
Higuaín
Henry
Ronaldo
Theres no surprises hes doing well at Barcelona...to right...with a supply line of Xavi and iniesta the best centre midfield axis on the planet coupled with having the worlds best player on the right flank he should be scoring at a rate of nots..hes at the focal point of the best team in the world....Eto'o in the same team this time last year was ripping the goalscoring charts to pieces...
I wouldn't take current Henry,Van Persie, Anelka, Forlan, Higuian or Aguero. The rest have a case
"i doubt many would look to far from Drogba when naming the worlds best frontman right now" Pretty much suggests you assume most see as him as the worlds best. Like I said, I'd disagree and say that many would think Torres/Villa/Eto'o ahead of him. Drogba's proven yes, but he's also proven to have had two mediocre seasons back to back which you seem to ignore. Ibra's been a more consistent striker. That will probably be ignored though.
I doubt it considering when he said Ibra was the best in the world, he compared him with Messi and Ronaldo... not Drogba.
So is Capello not correct about Rooney? He sees Ibra and Rooney as two of the best in the world, I'd agree. I don't see your point here really. He can't be right about one and wrong about the other, right?
Totti was one of the best players in the world in 06/07 scoring more goals than any other player in Europe, many would say he was better than Kaka in the league that season. Del Piero has been excellent in the past few years, not as young as he was but some will say some of the football he played last year or a couple of seasons ago was up there with his best. Not bad against Real Madrid in the CL either. Cassano has been great too, the reason most Italians are pissed off considering Lippi refuses to call him up despite his great form. You personally haven't said anything about Gourcuff or Benzema but many on this forum have. Premiership and La Liga are better, yes. Serie A is definitely the third best league though.
Wayne Rooney has scored 12 league goals in 08/09 and 12 in 07/08 and has never managed 20 in the league. Is he not a top striker? I rest my case.
Eto'o hasn't scored in Europe yet with a better set of players. He will eventually, but Inter did not have many great players apart from Ibra and Maicon. Says it all when the right back is the next best player..
They've included how many new players? Milito (who's been better than Eto'o), Sneijder, Motta and Lucio.
Did you watch Inter in the league much over the past few years?
Well you can't argue with 8 in 10 appearances right now and no penalties, even when Ibra has won the penalty himself. Plus he's had more assists, created more goals. Eto'o has done worse at Inter so far, even with Inter improving their team with the players I mentioned above. Arguments in Ibra's favour there if you want to bring that up..
Has he? he led the line at inter, not at Juve or at Ajax...
Zlatan is a better footballer than Eto'o without question. But is he a more effective striker than Eto'o? That remains to be seen, although Zlatan has made a very good start to the season.
Quite hypocritical considering you were the one saying managers would prefer Drogba and that makes it correct. Yet when Capello clearly rates Ibra as one of the best around, it isn't accepted. The comparison with Van Basten was just one of the things he said, Capello's acknowledged Ibra as one of the best around, regardless of comparisons.
How often has Totti been a lead the line striker? Quite hypocritical again you brush aside Rooeny's record because he's an off striker but that's exactly what Totti was... until that season where he was the top scorer in Europe. As for the Del Piero point.. Giggs is one of the best players in England today, is that disservice to the league?
Exactly.....Totti had a full season of leading the line..being the focal point of the teams attack and he went on to score more goals than he ever had before because of it...this is Rooneys first season at having the very same opportunity...so far so good for him to...
Yeah, that's an argument indeed. I see no arguement over who is the better footballer either.
Zlatan is effective, his movement has really impressed me this season. He wont ever be a goal scorer in the same vain as Eto'o but he is effective, he is a target man when they need him to be, a great passer and creative player and most importantly he is good for the team. Effectively better than Eto'o because he wont get the goals but he will contribute in ways Eto'o doesnt.
Totti scored 20 goals in a season before he was played as a lone striker though. Your point was that Ibra had never scored 20 in the league before last season and played him down because of that. Winning player of the year in the league anyway, would show that his game is more than goals but you won't believe it..
What all three have in common though is that they're all creative strikers. Imo they're all top class or have been top class. You're saying judge Rooney in May? You've already judged him as world class and I agree so what's with the back tracking? Some statistics don't prove everything. Ibra's goal record has been very good in his past couple of his season (he's started this season off well too) and he creates for his team mates. What more is there to say?
He won PFA player of the year last season, whether it was justified or not, he was one of the best players around. His peers seemed to think so, anyway. Del Piero isn't even 36, he's played to a level near his peak in his last couple of seasons, some in Italy say better..
This seasons he's had injuries though, so not done to well. Last few seasons he's played very well though.
Ibra vs Madrid last night
if that's the case, you wouldn't be taking Rooney either
No im well aware Ibrahimovichs game is about more than just goals but i just dont regard him as one of the best in the world because despite his tehcnical and creative abilities of which are not in question the level of his performances over a consistent number of years in high quality teams against the very best is well below par...and i dont believe 1 goal against madrid at the weekend suddenly iradicates multiple years of relative faliure at europes top table against the cream of the crop...
No i think your misunderstanding me...what i said was judge Rooneys goal return at the end of this season in relation to your comments regarding Totti as this is Rooneys first year being used consistently as the focal point of our attack....hence im saying his goal return this season will be greater than his of previous years becasue of his more advanced figurehead role within the team set up...we both agree hes a world class player thats not in question.
Im not disagreeing that Giggs deserved his award he did...he was brilliant for us last year and has been again so far...what im saying is i dont regard him one of the very best players in the league on pure ability...his performances are well up there with the best players though consistency wise....much like Del Piero hes outperforming some players with greater ability currently however i dont think youd call Giggs world class anymore much like you wouldnt Del Piero...thats not a slight on them more of a compliment to their continued professionalism and maybe a criticism of certain other players who should be performing better than guys in their mid thirties.
Based on last few seasons I'd say Del Piero is still world class. He may go down hill after this injury but based on the last few seasons... yeah.
That's strange because on pure ability surely he would be ahead of most in the league?
That's strange because on pure ability surely he would be ahead of most in the league?
Thats fair enough im not suggesting hes well below that level myself i suppose if i were to put him in a catergory id have him at the level just below that of world class from what ive seen...
That's strange because on pure ability surely he would be ahead of most in the league?
Well its kind of hard to put across exactly what im meaning i can understand the confusion maybe the best way i can do it is this:
Torres
Rooney
Drogba
Arshavin
Fabregas
Gerrard
Essien
Lampard
Van Persie
I consider these players for example to be better players than the Giggs of today ability wise...that dosnt mean i consider them to be outperforming Giggs because quite frankly most of them are not and havnt done for a while...Giggs is clearly currently performing as one of the best in the league but if we were asked to name the best players currently in England i think the above would all be mentioned before him..
You don't seem to like our Wayne much
Giggs has been one of the best players in the world over the last year, nevermind the league.
What a shit video. Apart from the goal of course.
No you wouldn't. He was the heart beat of Inter for 3 seasons. Yet you don't rate him at all and are now insinuating that he is getting things now "on a plate".They werent a good enough team in europe but they were still miles ahead of everyone else in serie a.
Yeah it is no surprise, but then again he is playing alongside the 3 best players in the world over the past couple of years. He's came in and replaced Eto'o.. i wouldnt say he's doing a better job, Barcelona were walking away with the league at this point last year and they have struggled slightly in the champions league. He's been scoring a few goals but from what i've seen there's nothing that shows he's as good as a few of you lot think.
What does he need to do then ?
No.
They have one point less than last season. Madrid have two more.
You can when Eto'o had 14 in 12 at the same stage last season.
The whole Barca team was playing better though.. don't think you could've expected the same level of performance after the team had won everything. The best in the world isn't even on his form of last season, neither Xavi. Iniesta's came back from injury and done well but yeah, you know what I mean. Ibra's also been injured - comes back in the biggest game and scores. He's also set up a fair few goals as well. Eto'o took penalties too if I recall (along with Messi).
Sexy finish against Xerez tonight.
Yeah just saw it, good stuff, he just can not stop scoring
Not just his scoring he set up a near open goal with a good ball for Iniesta who will want to forget missing that!
Take a look at the pass at 6:35 in:
That pass was ridiculous, most creative pass i've seen since his donkey kick for Inter.
Yeah, too bad the ref had to spoil the fun. What for? Dangerous play?
High boot probably.
Xerez were awful in that game though, although they found some joy with Barcelona trying to find a second by trying things on the break. Shame they have about as much clue as the RAWK and Bluemoon get-together in front of goal, though.
That was the most amazing thing he ever did in Italy along the backheel goal vs Bologna and the volley vs Torino in 2007.
Ibra has been immence for Barca. Last time we played Inter in the Champions league last year half the lunatics on here looking through the MUFC rose tinted glass's tried to claim after the game that Berbatov was much more effective in the game which clearly by a country mile was not the case! Hopefully Fergie can land Dzeko or Fabiano in January so that we have a striker to play alongside Rooney that is a match for Barcas strike force !
I quite liked his goal against Roma (sorry it was for Juve!)
Fantastic goal indeed, he was already class at Juve obviously, even if he started performing consistently well only at Inter. I can say Inter fans saw the very best of Ibra
absolutely, it is at Inter he really matured as a player and probably as a person too.
I think that his bad relationship with Capello was what prevented him from being consistent also at Juve, I remember when the current England manager openly criticized Ibra after a bad mistake in the 95th minute in the 2005/2006 Juve-Lazio game. Mancini didn't trap the player into his tactical plans instead (so Mourinho despite what people thought) and he was always free to express his creativity. Now he's definitely a mature player, besides creative also disciplined and tactically minded, not just a creative striker but also a very good goal poacher.
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