Zlatan Ibrahimovic

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Clearly a very talented lad, but hugely overrated as well.

He's a good striker in a declining league, which is the third strongest in Europe at the moment. He hasn't pulled up too many trees in Europe, which is where you are judged if words like "Great" and "World Class" are going to be used in relation to you. I certainly wouldn't have him in my top ten players in the world or anything like it.
 
brophs said:
Clearly a very talented lad, but hugely overrated as well.

He's a good striker in a declining league, which is the third strongest in Europe at the moment. He hasn't pulled up too many trees in Europe, which is where you are judged if words like "Great" and "World Class" are going to be used in relation to you. I certainly wouldn't have him in my top ten players in the world or anything like it.
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Italian football was in decline with the scandal and all that but i think it's getting back to full strengh.

All the big teams are back in the top flight. Italy for me is still potentially the best league and i think if they refurbished some of the stadiums and sorted out a decent marketing ploy and sold the TV rights to the right people it could again be the great league it once was.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Italian football was in decline with the scandal and all that but i think it's getting back to full strengh.

All the big teams are back in the top flight. Italy for me is still potentially the best league and i think if they refurbished some of the stadiums and sorted out a decent marketing ploy and sold the TV rights to the right people it could again be the great league it once was.
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Perhaps. The proof will be in the pudding though, and I don't expect to see any of their teams at the business end of the CL, nor do I see any top, top players moving to Italy in the near future. That's a good measure of where a league is at, usually.
 
brophs said:
Perhaps. The proof will be in the pudding though, and I don't expect to see any of their teams at the business end of the CL, nor do I see any top, top players moving to Italy in the near future. That's a good measure of where a league is at, usually.
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Still plenty of top talent in italy.

And top players are usually a sign of money and maybe italian football doesn't have the money it once did. Still i don't see all the top players in the world refusing to go to Italy. To play for A Milan or a Juve etc is still extreamly highly regarded.

Take Aguero, i can really see him going to Inter Milan.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Still plenty of top talent in italy.

And top players are usually a sign of money and maybe italian football doesn't have the money it once did. Still i don't see all the top players in the world refusing to go to Italy. To play for A Milan or a Juve etc is still extreamly highly regarded.

Take Aguero, i can really see him going to Inter Milan.
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There are top players in Italy, but very few who have come from outside in the last couple of years.

And top players are a sign of money, which, more often than not, is a sign of the relative strength and success of the teams in that country.

When you say "refusing" to go to Italy, I'm not so sure that isn't because Italian teams aren't even competing for those players anymore, and don't have a chance to get rejected. Of course playing for those teams is a huge thing, but unless a player feels strongly about them, he will more than likely go where the money and chances of trophies are. Right now, Italy is third best behind England/Spain in those regards.

As for Aguero, I really don't know. Is he an Inter fan, or does he fancy a move to Italy particularly. I could have sworn I saw an interview recently where he said he England is his ideal destination??
 
brophs said:
There are top players in Italy, but very few who have come from outside in the last couple of years.

And top players are a sign of money, which, more often than not, is a sign of the relative strength and success of the teams in that country.

When you say "refusing" to go to Italy, I'm not so sure that isn't because Italian teams aren't even competing for those players anymore, and don't have a chance to get rejected. Of course playing for those teams is a huge thing, but unless a player feels strongly about them, he will more than likely go where the money and chances of trophies are. Right now, Italy is third best behind England/Spain in those regards.

As for Aguero, I really don't know. Is he an Inter fan, or does he fancy a move to Italy particularly. I could have sworn I saw an interview recently where he said he England is his ideal destination??
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I'm not sure what top players Italian teams have went in for or not. I mean it isn't even common for big teams in England to go for such players. Liverpool signed Torres and United signed Berbatov recently they are top players but i don't see the big Italian teams screaming out for them because they have players of that calibre already.

I agree that Italian teams are currently 3rd behind Spain and Italy but even so i wouldn't write them off as challenging for the champions league.

I've just read alot of rumours about Morattis desire to bring him to Inter. Big money is being talked about. Rumours they were going to employ maradona as a consultant to help bring him (not now he's argie manager though) also rumours that they will offer big money and Adriano as part of the deal.

I haven't read any Aguero interviews but i would find it unlikely he would see England as an ideal destination. South Americans rarely look to England.
 
Ekeke said:
Is 11 goals in 11 games for a Valencia side half as good as this Barcelona side now that they are on form, impressive?

No disrespect to Eto'o who is a fantastic player, but thats the record I'd expect of Barcelona's central striker given their recent run of form.

That said, I'd expect much better records than our strikers can boast this season too... So I guess its one thing expecting it and another getting it. Fantastic player.
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A large part of their recent run of form is because of Eto'o. He's been on great form, and you keep trying to pay that down just because he's Barcelona's striker.

His record is the most impressive in European football, bar none.
 
Brwned said:
A large part of their recent run of form is because of Eto'o. He's been on great form, and you keep trying to pay that down just because he's Barcelona's striker.

His record is the most impressive in European football, bar none.
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I'm not saying he hasnt played his part, but Barcelona have scored 32 goals in the last 10 matches. For one of the world's best strikers, you'd expect him to have at least a goal a game in that run and thats what he does have - more than a goal a game. It should be expected of a top class striker at the best team in the world, in fantastic form.

Again, only 2 more than Villa though who's side is half as good. It puts it into perspective.
 
Elliott said:
That's way off IMO and the stats agree with me.
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Zlatan is technically better than Rooney and it does include playmaking yes. Stats have to be put into perspective in order for them to have a sense or not.

Brwned said:
A large part of their recent run of form is because of Eto'o. He's been on great form, and you keep trying to pay that down just because he's Barcelona's striker.

His record is the most impressive in European football, bar none.
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Ibisevic :p
 
Elliott said:
Stats are never the whole truth but sometimes they speak so loudly only a fool will not listen. Not his fault the chance isn't scored? He plays for Inter, not Macclesfield. It'll obviously pretty much even itself out over the course of a season. And I'd add aggression, dynamism, passing and vision to the 'things Roo is better at' list. I'm not saying Zlatan lacks vision or passing ability, he cleasrly doesn't, but Wayne nicks it.
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Aggression and dynamism aren't really football skills though are they. I mean, Rooney was/is more aggressive and dynamic than the likes of Bergkamp and Roberto Baggio etc, but not as good at footy.
 
kanchelskis14 said:
Aggression and dynamism aren't really football skills though are they. I mean, Rooney was/is more aggressive and dynamic than the likes of Bergkamp and Roberto Baggio etc, but not as good at footy.
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We were talking about overall footballing quality, not technical skill level.
 
Ibrahimovic is one of the best strikers out there, no question about it. His technique and creativity are outstanding and the guy is rather complete, I would not want to be agaisnt him, at all...
 
Bagged another two goals tonight when Inter beat Chievo 4-2. His second goal, Inter's fourth was a cracker:
 
manutdlegend said:
Good player a bit overrated though.
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A year or two back I'd agree with you, but with the form he has been showing this season I regard him as one of the top 5 in the world. Immense player, and very few are capable of doing what he does with a football.
 
He seems to be doing incredible things every week just now. Probably the in form striker in Europe, along with Etoo. But I agree he needs to do more in the Champions League to be regarded in the top 3 or 5 players in the world.
 
I agree too. Ibrahimovic is better under Mourinho, he was always under-rated in my books because he comes across as arrogant and selfish but he may be arrogant but he is in no way selfish. He gets as many assists as goals and his creativity is beyond most players in world football.

Now with Mourinho motivating him he has reached a higher level, he's world class and the best center forward in the world.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
The only time he could have been got was when the year he went to Inter from Juve after the scandal. But nobody fancied him then :lol:
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Yeah, he would have been perfect then with Van Nistelrooy just leaving.

To be fair he wasn't anywhere near as good for Juve as he has been for Inter.
 
Brwned said:
Yeah, he would have been perfect then with Van Nistelrooy just leaving.

To be fair he wasn't anywhere near as good for Juve as he has been for Inter.
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He was their main man when he was there. He had a great first season and a patchy second where he didn't score many goals. However his assist rate was still impressive and he was one player they really didnt want to go.

I think Capello had him do too much in the way of weights to get the best out of his strengh. He lost a half yard and wasn't as mobile and flexible as Zlatan can be which held him back.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
He was their main man when he was there. He had a great first season and a patchy second where he didn't score many goals. However his assist rate was still impressive and he was one player they really didnt want to go.

I think Capello had him do too much in the way of weights to get the best out of his strengh. He lost a half yard and wasn't as mobile and flexible as Zlatan can be which held him back.
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I think the second season must be the standout one for me because I remember him being very inconsistent. For two weeks in a row he was anonymous and then he comes up with a standout display when he dominated the game and Juve won by 4 or 5 goals. Quite close to the end of the season IIRC.

Didn't think much of him moving to Inter at that time, thought it was the wrong, and the easy, move for him back then.

It might well still be.
 
Brwned said:
I think the second season must be the standout one for me because I remember him being very inconsistent. For two weeks in a row he was anonymous and then he comes up with a standout display when he dominated the game and Juve won by 4 or 5 goals. Quite close to the end of the season IIRC.

Didn't think much of him moving to Inter at that time, thought it was the wrong, and the easy, move for him back then.

It might well still be.
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He was actually a boyhood fan of inter. There didn't seem to be alot of option on where he could go. Milan and Inter seemed the only clubs big enough to go in for him and bare in mind that Inter hadn't won the league in a long time and are still searching for a european cup after many many years.

He has won back to back titles with Inter as their main man. Yes it is at a time when Italian football isn't it's strongest and Inter are the dominant force but Ibrahimovics personal contribution has made the genuine difference.

He is 27 now so i guess he is at inter for his best years now and they are a massive club. I would love him in the premiership or la liga and have no doubt he would make a fool out of them like he has in Italy.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
He was actually a boyhood fan of inter. There didn't seem to be alot of option on where he could go. Milan and Inter seemed the only clubs big enough to go in for him and bare in mind that Inter hadn't won the league in a long time and are still searching for a european cup after many many years.

He has won back to back titles with Inter as their main man. Yes it is at a time when Italian football isn't it's strongest and Inter are the dominant force but Ibrahimovics personal contribution has made the genuine difference.

He is 27 now so i guess he is at inter for his best years now and they are a massive club. I would love him in the premiership or la liga and have no doubt he would make a fool out of them like he has in Italy.
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I'd never knew that, well then fair play to Zlatan.

Undoubtedly Ibrahimovic has been their key player ever since he went there and without him, even with the state the league was in in terms of competition, I think they would have struggled.

Fantastic player to watch on his day, a bit disappointed that he's going to play out the majority of his career in the Serie A.
 
Ibrahimovic's attitude has vastly improved under Mourinho. Yesterday against Chievo he was chasing every ball down. He can be the best player in the world with the right attitude and that is exactly the road he is taking at the moment.

Class, class player
 
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Ignorance. Of course he can, he has the complete game.
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He'll never be better than either of them.

If you think he'll be better than Messi even though Messi's been outshining him ever since two years ago while he's still 5 or 6 years younger you're the one being ignorant.
 
Brwned said:
He'll never be better than either of them.

If you think he'll be better than Messi even though Messi's been outshining him ever since two years ago while he's still 5 or 6 years younger you're the one being ignorant.
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Ibra has as much tallent as anyone. With Mourinho at the help it isn't rediculous to think a man of Zlatans tallents can't win the ballon d'or. Christ Michael Owen won it...

All it takes is Ibra to shine domestically and in europe with Inter and he'd be well placed.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Ibra has as much tallent as anyone. With Mourinho at the help it isn't rediculous to think a man of Zlatans tallents can't win the ballon d'or. Christ Michael Owen won it...

All it takes is Ibra to shine domestically and in europe with Inter and he'd be well placed.
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He could win the Ballon D'or. That would signify he had a very good season with Inter, which is very possible.

Wouldn't make him a better player and I very much doubt he ever will become one.
 
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