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[Born2Lose]

And what do 50 goals say about him?

He'll score that next season will he?

I'm not saying he's not a good player, but the overreaction to him either way on him here is ludicrous.

He's like some sort of parody, I'd be worried if anybody over the age of 30 takes anything he says seriously.

A World Cup without me is not worth watching.

Oh the irony.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Where his international performances are concerned, the doubters are right. We should only sign European Championships goalscorers.

Bollocks to your Ibra, your Pogba and your Lewandowski. Can't wait for us to sign Robson-Kanu and Niall McGinn.

 

[Noc-Z]

I won't judge him on the Euros - this is the least impressed all round I have ever been by a major tournament.

 

[Balerion]

And what do 50 goals say about him?

Didn't you get the memo? The French league doesn't count.

 

[FreeHerrera]

This is so stupid. Harry Kane has had a poor tournament too...woukd you say the same about him?

Harry Kane hasn't played the past 4 seasons in a second tier league though. He's been one of the best in the EPL for two seasons straight and he is only 23. Plus, this is his first ever international tournament. Zlatan is soon to be 35. I am much less forgiving when it comes to 35 year olds than 23 year olds.

 

[Vilev]

Where his international performances are concerned, the doubters are right. We should only sign European Championships goalscorers.

The pertinent question is can he score and be a top player in a much better league than France's one. It's not like he was a force for PSG in top CL games, against city he was dreadful in both matches, although he did score after a city blunder.

 

[Raoul]

Harry Kane hasn't played the past 4 seasons in a second tier league though. He's been one of the best in the EPL for two seasons straight and he is only 23. Plus, this is his first ever international tournament. Zlatan is soon to be 35. I am much less forgiving when it comes to 35 year olds than 23 year olds.

Good so we agree they've not been very good at Euro 2016. The Kane comparisons are a bit irrelevant anyway since its Zlatan we're buying.

 

[Attila]

Harry Kane hasn't played the past 4 seasons in a second tier league though. He's been one of the best in the EPL for two seasons straight and he is only 23. Plus, this is his first ever international tournament. Zlatan is soon to be 35. I am much less forgiving when it comes to 35 year olds than 23 year olds.

Sounds like his performances in the Euro aren't why you don't want him here then. Not sure why you bothered bringing it up when you are making excuses for anyone else having a poor euros

 

[kenny19]

We shouldn't be signing this guy unless it is our last signing. He should be a backup rather than the main man at 35 years. I just feel this is one of those signing we will regret but hey it's up to mourinho.

 

[Raoul]

We shouldn't be signing this guy unless it is our last signing. He should be a backup rather than the main man at 35 years. I just feel this is one of those signing we will regret but hey it's up to mourinho.

Think of it as a Larrson or Tevez type move - a one or two year rental for a player coming off a career year. He would be fantastic in terms of helping Martial and Rashford evolve and once he moves on, they will be far better players because of his influence.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

A lot of overreacting in here (As expected!), the miss he had in today's game was atrocious, he wasn't half relieved to see the flag raised. However, that Sweden team is extremely poor. (I'm still raging that Ireland didn't take their chances and proper go for Sweden towards the end of the last match.) There's only so much you can expect of the guy when he's surrounded by so many mediocre players.

Next season Zlatan will get some decent service and score a minimum of 25 goals for us, he's still top top class, make no mistake about it!

 

[Spock]

Think of it as a Larrson or Tevez type move - a one or two year rental for a player coming off a career year. He would be fantastic in terms of helping Martial and Rashford evolve and once he moves on, they will be far better players because of his influence.

Raoul is right.

We have to assume that Mourinho has two goals in mind for the next two seasons: lifting the BPL trophy in 16/17 and the CL trophy in 17/18. Anything after that is too far into the future for any of us to seriously consider. Bringing in a player of Zlatan's quality is exactly what we need to overcome the lack of effectiveness by our strikers since RvP had that magnificent season when we won the league. He's got two seasons with United in him at most and after that Martial and Rashford will be entering the prime years. We'll deal with Zlatan's absence after he retires goes away on a free transfer.

 

[Man of Leisure]

How was he today? Not getting much service?

 

[Raoul]

Raoul is right.

We have to assume that Mourinho has two goals in mind for the next two seasons: lifting the BPL trophy in 16/17 and the CL trophy in 17/18. Anything after that is too far into the future for any of us to seriously consider. Bringing in a player of Zlatan's quality is exactly what we need to overcome the lack of effectiveness by our strikers since RvP had that magnificent season when we won the league. He's got two seasons with United in him at most and after that Martial and Rashford will be entering the prime years. We'll deal with Zlatan's absence after he retires goes away on a free transfer.

I think Mourinho may be eyeing a different striker for next summer and Ibra would be a great stop gap to contribute goals, experience, and a bit of character to his "project". If he knocks in 25 goals, I'm happy as that will be far better than anything we had under LvG.

 

[Raoul]

How was he today? Not getting much service?

They lobbed in a few crosses that grazed his head. Overall a pretty languid performance by the Swedes.

 

[Sumthing]

Sweden were poor again, Zlatan won some headers and missed a sitter from 5 yards (offside anyway so wouldnt have counted).
Looks very isolated in this side.

 

[kenny19]

Think of it as a Larrson or Tevez type move - a one or two year rental for a player coming off a career year. He would be fantastic in terms of helping Martial and Rashford evolve and once he moves on, they will be far better players because of his influence.

I know this and highly agree but I don't want him as the main man because the only way he plays well is in a free role. He does what he likes often drifting around the field without little to no movement and I'm really not up fot that unless you are ronaldo or messi.

It would be better if we could sign players without the thought of ibrahimovic and then sign him last like we did falcao. I'm not against signing him but I am with the current crop of players we have. Ibrahimovic would only be a liability with Rooney, carrick and schweiny. If we added more quality, speed and balance like they have at psg then the transfer would make more sense.

Just look at sweden and his influence. He's been pretty horrible given the lack of quality in that team.

 

[Lawman]

I know this and highly agree but I don't want him as the main man because the only way he plays well is in a free role. He does what he likes often drifting around the field without little to no movement and I'm really not up fot that unless you are ronaldo or messi.

It would be better if we could sign players without the thought of ibrahimovic and then sign him last like we did falcao. I'm not against signing him but I am with the current crop of players we have. Ibrahimovic would only be a liability with Rooney, carrick and schweiny. If we added more quality, speed and balance like they have at psg then the transfer would make more sense.

Just look at sweden and his influence. He's been pretty horrible given the lack of quality in that team.

Yeah I agree with you in the regards I think Jose will add speed around him if he is looking to sign him.

 

[Adisa]

A lot of hurt feelings.

 

[Raoul]

I know this and highly agree but I don't want him as the main man because the only way he plays well is in a free role. He does what he likes often drifting around the field without little to no movement and I'm really not up fot that unless you are ronaldo or messi.

It would be better if we could sign players without the thought of ibrahimovic and then sign him last like we did falcao. I'm not against signing him but I am with the current crop of players we have. Ibrahimovic would only be a liability with Rooney, carrick and schweiny. If we added more quality, speed and balance like they have at psg then the transfer would make more sense.

Just look at sweden and his influence. He's been pretty horrible given the lack of quality in that team.

You can't really look at the Euros to evaluate him - the entire squad are languid, knackered, and uninspiring after a long club season, and two or three games is not a sensible sample of whether or not he would be a good buy for us. You have to look at things over a much longer time horizon, as in, at least one season or more to get a sense of how he may perform for us.

Also, why would it matter at what point in the summer we signed him ? All that would do is risk losing him because we fecked about by delaying the transfer.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

The overrated poseur has been pretty poor so far in these Euros. Mourinho signing Falcao for the 2nd year running is not something I'm looking forward to.

 

[ChaddyP]

Zlatan was shite, Sweeden was shite.

Cant wait till they are knocked out so he can come and do his medical and wash off all the shite

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

The Euros are a joke and no one should be judged there.

Same could be said about the French league.

 

[Raoul]

Same could be said about the French league.

It could if the French league lasted 3 weeks and all the players began the year knackered after playing for an entire year. Otherwise, not so much.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Can't take people seriously bringing up these 2 Sweden games, I mean seriously, what do they expect? And have they watched Lewandowski or Kane in this tournament so far, playing for much much better teams than Zlatan?

 

[#07]

Same could be said about the French league.

Dunno mate. England's last two player of the year winners, Hazard and Mahrez, came to the Premier League after impressing in France. Kante and Payet have both made immediate impacts too. I know its en vogue to talk down the French league, England hasn't been making waves in European competition recently though. Maybe we have to accept the gap between the Premier League and Ligue 1 isn't what it was 5-10 years ago?

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Same could be said about the French league.

Leicester City just won the Premier League, let that sink in again before slagging the French league. In the rest of Europe the media take the piss out of the Premier League now and use Leicester as a real stick to beat our league with.

Oh yeah, and 2 of Leicester's star players this season came from that league, the Premier League POTY came from fecking Ligue 2 where he scored just 6 goals in 60 games... ha ha!

Leicester fecking City, a side La Liga reckon would finish around 10th.

 

[Raoul]

Dunno mate. England's last two player of the year winners, Hazard and Mahrez, came to the Premier League after impressing in France. Kante and Payet have both made immediate impacts too. I know its en vogue to talk down the French league, England hasn't been making waves in European competition recently though. Maybe we have to accept the gap between the Premier League and Ligue 1 isn't what it was 5-10 years ago?

Good point. Maybe we should've not bought Martial either since the league he previously played in was so poor.

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

Sweden are a terrible team, and zlatans not a suarez style striker who makes his own chances out of nothing.

 

[Lynty]

Next season Zlatan will get some decent service and score a minimum of 25 goals for us, he's still top top class, make no mistake about it!

No chance

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

No chance

Vardy just scored 24 goals in the Premier League alone. I'd expect Zlatan to manage 25 with Prem, FA Cup and EL games. Especially as he'll be the club penalty taker.

 

[settembrini]

Can't take people seriously bringing up these 2 Sweden games, I mean seriously, what do they expect?

I got exactly what I expected. That is Ibrahimovic to struggle when he's not playing for a team that is vastly better than the opposition. I wonder what all the people who think he is one of the best forwards in the world expected though.

Anyway despite his poor performances I remain ambivalent about this transfer. All the obvious pros and cons have been discussed ad nauseam. There are a bunch of people who have posted over 100 times in this thread. How do they not get bored of the same arguments over and over and over.

 

[#07]

Good point. Maybe we should've not bought Martial either since the league he previously played in was so poor.

Massive miss from me not to mention Tony Martial in that list alongside Mahrez, Payet and co.

The best players in the Premier League, including probably our best player, have all come to England from France recently.

If Zlatan can score 50 goals in 51 games for PSG, you'd think he'd be able to get somewhere near half that for Man Utd.

I got exactly what I expected. That is Ibrahimovic to struggle when he's not playing for a team that is vastly better than the opposition. I wonder what all the people who think he is one of the best forwards in the world expected though.

Anyway despite his poor performances I remain ambivalent about this transfer. All the obvious pros and cons have been discussed ad nauseam. There are a bunch of people who have posted over 100 times in this thread. How do they not get bored of the same arguments over and over and over.

I broadly agree with your view that he's at his best when his teammates are the level up. Where I disagree with you is that I think if you play him in he will score goals.

Zlatan is not a Suarez or Aguero, a striker who can power past defenders and score after bolting away from a defender, but if we work off him he can be an attacking point.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I got exactly what I expected. That is Ibrahimovic to struggle when he's not playing for a team that is vastly better than the opposition. I wonder what all the people who think he is one of the best forwards in the world expected though.

Is Lewandowski not one of the best forwards in the World @settembrini?

After living in Sweden for 10 years and having a Swedish missus, I personally expected Sweden to be shite and Zlatan to get no service. From the little I know about Poland I expected a little more from them and their main man.

Neither of their performances in the first two games have changed my opinions about them, both World Class forwards.

 

[AndyJ1985]

How well he does will depend on how we play as a team. Probably stating the obvious there. But if we had Ibrahimovic in our team last year he'd probably look similar to how he did for Sweden today i.e. not very effective. But you'd think if any manager can get the best out of him it'd be Mourinho, so I'm quietly optimistic.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Dunno mate. England's last two player of the year winners, Hazard and Mahrez, came to the Premier League after impressing in France. Kante and Payet have both made immediate impacts too. I know its en vogue to talk down the French league, England hasn't been making waves in European competition recently though. Maybe we have to accept the gap between the Premier League and Ligue 1 isn't what it was 5-10 years ago?

Keep it up. This from a league where PSG won the league months before the season ended by 31 pts, hardly breaking sweat. Not surprising since they have as much money as all the rest put together. It is like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Utd playing in the championship. Even Rooney would score bucket loads playing there for 5 years. The gap certainly isn't what it was 5-10 years ago. There is a chasm between the premiership & this substandard league.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

No chance

It looks almost certain he will be leading our attack next season and he is still one of the best strikers around. He can and will prove his doubters wrong. Zlatan's only getting started

Vardy just scored 24 goals in the Premier League alone. I'd expect Zlatan to manage 25 with Prem, FA Cup and EL games. Especially as he'll be the club penalty taker.

True! 25 goals is more than a reasonable target. Mourinho and Ibra have extremely high standards, that's the kind of number they're both going to be expecting.

 

[united_99]

He can't be judged by today's game, however he will have a few similar games with us. Shouldn't come as a shock to anyone.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Keep it up. This from a league where PSG won the league months before the season ended by 31 pts, hardly breaking sweat. Not surprising since they have as much money as all the rest put together. It is like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Utd playing in the championship. Even Rooney would score bucket loads playing there for 5 years. The gap certainly isn't what it was 5-10 years ago. There is a chasm between the premiership & this substandard league.

But if that's the case, why didn't Rooney score bucket loads against the Championship and League One sides we've faced over the last two seasons?

 

[Fer]

I don't understand why people change their opinions for 1 or 2 games. Besides Zlatan, Kane, Griezmann, Pogba, among others have been average.

Ibra is surrounded with less quality players compared with temas like France or Germany.

IMO what he did during a year shouldn't be comparable with 2 games. Also, he would come for free, we don't need to pay 50m+ for him.

Zlatan would offer something different from our current strikers like Rashford and even Martial and Rooney.

If Kedhira has a better tournament than Pogba I still prefer the French player.

The problem is that a lot of people think that they are going to do what they see in a YouTube compilation. That's why people think they are overrated (they are a bit), but in my perspective, they are overpriced (this doesn't apply to free agents).

The reality is that we have young talented strikers but we still need someone able to score 20+ goals, Zlatan could be that player and if he is free, why not?