If you look at my post history you would see that this is not "kneejerk". I think he is vastly overrated, and that his stats have been artificially lifted due to playing with world class talent in a second tier league. It's obnoxious that you and guys like you blame everyone with a critical opinion for being kneejerk - while you yourself would probably (knee)jerk over the thought of him arriving at United if he had played well the last two games. And used those two games as proof he is not past it.
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If you look at my post history you would see that this is not "kneejerk". I think he is vastly overrated, and that his stats have been artificially lifted due to playing with world class talent in a second tier league. It's obnoxious that you and guys like you blame everyone with a critical opinion for being kneejerk - while you yourself would probably (knee)jerk over the thought of him arriving at United if he had played well the last two games. And used those two games as proof he is not past it.
Ibra having a poor Euros is pretty meaningless.
I do worry that we're likely to see him decline rapidly at some point though, so a good Euros would have eased my mind a bit at least.
I do worry that we're likely to see him decline rapidly at some point though, so a good Euros would have eased my mind a bit at least.
Lemme guess he is shite again because he didnt score against Italy.
Wait until he scores a goal for us and he's world class again.
Guys, he plays for Sweden. Suarez on top form would look shite for them.
Those points have been answered before (by me and others). He is broadly considered one of the best strikers in the world. The fact that he plays in France doesn't make him overrated, just as it doesn't make Verratti or previously Martial overrated. He clearly wouldn't put up those numbers in England, but he would almost surely put up 25-30 goals, add a lot of experience and character to the club and help our youngsters.
Its a year deal, I bet he will do a lot better than Falcao
He's just excited about playing for United. Who can blame him.
Sweden with zero shots on target in 2 games and still Zlatan is responsible for their only goal scored is pretty funny.
Going on this tournament so far I wouldn't buy any striker from anywhere.
Good point. None of them have looked particularly good. The Euro's have been a bit underwhelming so far.
This is so stupid. Harry Kane has had a poor tournament too...woukd you say the same about him?
I've actually really enjoyed them so far , though the teams could do with replicating the ferocity in some of the copa America games
This is fecking deep.
Don't think he's even trying in these games.
He walks around most of the time, rarely chases the defenders and mainly waits for the ball to come to him.
Almost as if he's trying to avoid an injury before joining his new club.
That said, the moments where he has the ball, he's a class above. His control is outrageous.
Can't really judge him based on these games because there's no one else in the team to draw defenders away. When he's constantly man marked, there's not much you can do.
Even Bale, in his prime, didn't do much (Hart brain fart aside).
He walks around most of the time, rarely chases the defenders and mainly waits for the ball to come to him.
Almost as if he's trying to avoid an injury before joining his new club.
That said, the moments where he has the ball, he's a class above. His control is outrageous.
Can't really judge him based on these games because there's no one else in the team to draw defenders away. When he's constantly man marked, there's not much you can do.
Even Bale, in his prime, didn't do much (Hart brain fart aside).
Lots of teams playing very negatively hasn't helped, hopefully it will pick up in the next round of games where it's do or die for many teams.
There is a chance that he will be like RVP in his last season, but the way I see it is if Zlatan doesn't perform, Jose will probably give more game time to Rashford upfront, and if he does perform it will be good for us so it's a win win in my opinion.
Sure, he has lost his pace and can't play in a fully counter-attacking system.
However, he remains an extremely efficient striker.
He doesn't necessarily need world-class players around him but good players.
To put things into perspective
Defenders:
-Ludwig Augustinsson (Copenhagen),
- Erik Johansson (Copenhagen),
Pontus Jansson (Torino),
Victor Lindelof (Benfica)
Andreas Granqvist (Krasnodar),
Mikael Lustig (Celtic)
, Martin Olsson (Norwich).
Midfielders
: Jimmy Durmaz (Olympiakos),
Albin Ekdal (Hamburg),
Oscar Hiljemark (Palermo),
Sebastian Larsson (Sunderland)
., Pontus Wernbloom (CSKA Moscow),
Erkan Zengin (Trabzonspor),
Oscar Lewicki (Malmo)
, Emil Forsberg (Leipzig)
, Kim Kallstrom (Grasshoppers).
Forwards:
Marcus Berg (Panathinaikos),
John Guidetti (Celta Vigo)
, Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Free Agent),
Emir Kujovic (Norrkoping)
How many 'United quality players'?
However, he remains an extremely efficient striker.
He doesn't necessarily need world-class players around him but good players.
To put things into perspective
Defenders:
-Ludwig Augustinsson (Copenhagen),
- Erik Johansson (Copenhagen),
Pontus Jansson (Torino),
Victor Lindelof (Benfica)
Andreas Granqvist (Krasnodar),
Mikael Lustig (Celtic)
, Martin Olsson (Norwich).
Midfielders
: Jimmy Durmaz (Olympiakos),
Albin Ekdal (Hamburg),
Oscar Hiljemark (Palermo),
Sebastian Larsson (Sunderland)
., Pontus Wernbloom (CSKA Moscow),
Erkan Zengin (Trabzonspor),
Oscar Lewicki (Malmo)
, Emil Forsberg (Leipzig)
, Kim Kallstrom (Grasshoppers).
Forwards:
Marcus Berg (Panathinaikos),
John Guidetti (Celta Vigo)
, Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Free Agent),
Emir Kujovic (Norrkoping)
How many 'United quality players'?
None. And noone even a little bit close to be that. For the future maybe Lindelöf, but the others would not even be good enough in a United squad.
He's playing like I expected him to play.
Spot on. What's amazing is that people use such games and then pronounce judgement. Zlatan isn't a #10 or a creative midfielder. He's the guy who you get the ball to in the final third and then watch as he does something special. If you can't get the ball to him, there's not much he can do. Also, the Swedish team is so atrociously poor that the opponents generally know they can just leave the rest be. As long as they're marking Zlatan out of the game, they're safe.
Don't recall Messi (before the last WC) pulling up many trees for a (by far) superior Argentinian national team. He drew flak for that, but it didn't mean he didn't have it. It was down to poor tactics and management (the coaches made one groan. Remember Diego?). In the right setup (Barca), he was a different beast. It's similar with Zlatan. Put him in a team with the requisite level of quality and those skills will do the rest. He's masterful with the ball and capable of doing things that only a handful of players could even attempt.
Imagine the fools that are basing him on 2 games in a god awful Sweden team
Just a Typical overreaction from the caf
I read on Twitter someone say the Sweden team is basically Ibra and 10 guys from the local Ikea which is right. Put Messi or Neymar in that team and they'd be crap too
Just a Typical overreaction from the caf
I read on Twitter someone say the Sweden team is basically Ibra and 10 guys from the local Ikea which is right. Put Messi or Neymar in that team and they'd be crap too
Sweden has 0 pace other than Olsson. He needs movement around him. Hamren is a fecking wankerrrrrrr cnut that should never have been allowed into management.
Zlatan been very poor in the Euros so far but he plays for a poor Sweden team so i wont judge him too hard.
That being said,i hope he stays the feck away from the Olympics,it would be insanity to let him play there.He is 34 years old,has had a long season with PSG and played Euros for Sweden.If he travels to Brazil to play in the Olympics too,he wont join our squad before late August and will probably be exhausted after a long season,lots of games,long flights and minimal rest.
Best would be if Sweden get knocked out of the group,Zlatan scraps Olympics and instead goes on a long vacation before joining us.
That being said,i hope he stays the feck away from the Olympics,it would be insanity to let him play there.He is 34 years old,has had a long season with PSG and played Euros for Sweden.If he travels to Brazil to play in the Olympics too,he wont join our squad before late August and will probably be exhausted after a long season,lots of games,long flights and minimal rest.
Best would be if Sweden get knocked out of the group,Zlatan scraps Olympics and instead goes on a long vacation before joining us.
Aren't those things synonymous ?
I've never rated him as highly as most. Obviously he's not as poor as he's looked here (though that has been a far sight worse than some of the other 'underperforming' strikers people are mentioning in mitigation, like Kane for example) but it is a valid addition to the catalogue of evidence that you can't rely on the numbers from his PSG career. His stats in general are potentially misleading, given that he's pretty much only ever joined the top side in any league, often at times of particular dominance.
LVG sold Van Persie because he didn't have the legs to do any running any more and relied on everyone else to make up for him in terms of work rate, movement, dynamism etc. Every time the ball came to him he was killing all pace and momentum in the attack. Ibrahimovic would be the same, except that he also comes as a potentially destructive ego and giant one-man circus. If we sign him it will confirm everything I fear about Mourinho as boss.
If we want to sign a striker, fine. There are quite a few out there at the moment with a range of age, quality, potential and experience. For a club with our sort of financial muscle, lots of them are comfortable targets. We should be looking at someone fast, dynamic, young, coachable, with room to develop and plenty of seasons of football ahead of him.
LVG sold Van Persie because he didn't have the legs to do any running any more and relied on everyone else to make up for him in terms of work rate, movement, dynamism etc. Every time the ball came to him he was killing all pace and momentum in the attack. Ibrahimovic would be the same, except that he also comes as a potentially destructive ego and giant one-man circus. If we sign him it will confirm everything I fear about Mourinho as boss.
If we want to sign a striker, fine. There are quite a few out there at the moment with a range of age, quality, potential and experience. For a club with our sort of financial muscle, lots of them are comfortable targets. We should be looking at someone fast, dynamic, young, coachable, with room to develop and plenty of seasons of football ahead of him.
Wow, nice bollocks, much lel.
If he doesn't score five goals against Belgium, three of which from his own half, the other two from his own box then we shouldn't sign him and he owes us £300k a week.
Funny how his performance in a bang average national team turns half the caf against him.
Funny how his performance in a bang average national team turns half the caf against him.
Look at the team he was playing in compared to Kane. Sweden could hardly create anything
Oh look, Zlatan fails yet again on the biggest stage.
I like how many here are watching him closely at EURO to see how he plays and commenting his style of play despite him being on the scene for more than 10 years, but yet pretending to know everything about anonymous players like Bailly.
Puts him in good stead with the likes of Ronaldo, Lewandowski et al. The Euros are a joke and no one should be judged there. Everyone is knackered after a long season and just going through the motions.
He's probably already in Manchester mentally.
What do you expect from him when the team is absolute shite. I watched the game today and it was painful how bad Sweden were. When he got the ball he was positive and made the Italy defense work at least. But strolled way to much for my liking. I am sure we will see a different player if he comes.
And what do 50 goals say about him?
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