He isn't famous for his man management, that's what people have found as an argument to justify his success because they also claim that he doesn't coach nor has tactical nous.
Zinedine Zidane - 3 time CL winning manager without a job
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He isn't famous for his man management, that's what people have found as an argument to justify his success because they also claim that he doesn't coach nor has tactical nous.
I think a lot of players under Sir Alex would probably have understood him just as well if he were speaking French!
Language is definitely an important consideration here. But I do think it's doable. Looking at Biesla's ability to convey his very meticulous style whilst not speaking English, id say there's reason to be hopeful.
I think I’d rather Rodgers tbh
Zidane is a phenomenal manager; Plenty of teams have had star players but winning 2 LaLigas and 3 CLs is not some fluke.
The absolute state of people doubting the credentials is astonishingly hilarious.
He may well fail if given the job as nothing is guaranteed, but he's by far the best candidate to succeed Ole at this point.
The absolute state of people doubting the credentials is astonishingly hilarious.
He may well fail if given the job as nothing is guaranteed, but he's by far the best candidate to succeed Ole at this point.
He’s won it all in Scotland to be fair what’s 3 CL’s and 2 La Liga’s when they’re in town
I’m not keen on either of them tbh. I’m glad I’m not running the club because I have no idea who I’d go for in their shoes.
IMO anyone bar Rodgers is a step up
He’s managed one of the best teams in the world (maybe best 11) with cr7 operating at ridiculous levels
I think you’re stretching, phenomenal is going a little too far
It really isn't if you consider it further;
Plenty of phenomenal teams as 11s and Squads, have never done that unprecedented treble of CL wins. Even Guardiola.
Plus he managed incredibly without Ronaldo and even left Madrid and came back.
His achievements are underplayed precisely because of your notion and many like it with:
"But he had x amazing players + Ronaldo"
As if teams just sort of manage themselves; If that were the case then every top 11 every season would win all the time.
Zidane is a clear winner as a manager and has proved it at literally the highest levels and pressures with players on top wages and many egos. Perhaps he should have done better with Bale I suppose.
Finally, I will add this: He made the scousers literally cry.
He also won the league and reached the CL semi finals without Ronaldo and with aging key players. The team that he had during his second stint isn't close to the best team in the world.
As you're in France, how is Manchester United viewed as a club historically and now and how is Zidane's managerial ability viewed by the French in general?
He can manage an already made team to produce results, but he has not shown he knows how to build a team. Rather go with Rodgers cause at least he did show that he can build a team, the only question remaining is, is he capable of reaching the top.
How can people not rate Zidane for winning 3 Cl's in a row - downplay his management to say its mainly because of his players + Ronaldo; only to then go and say Messi is the GOAT.
Sometimes it's just confusing and simple at the same time.
Sometimes it's just confusing and simple at the same time.
It's a big club similar to Liverpool, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona or Milan. And Zidane is the greatest manager of all time after SAF.
Most head coaches never build teams, it's not their job.
It's because although that achievement is very very good, you also have to look at the game play when you judge someone as a coach. Zidane took a great team and maintain their form (which is not easy I know), but he never shown whether he is capable of constructing a game plan, buy players that suit the plan or foster a player into one. Also to add one thing, Zidane was criticized that his tactics was bland even in his successful days. When you have Ronaldo, Modric, Kroos, Benzema, (prime) Bale, Ramos, Casemiro in your team bland tactics still win you most of the games.
TBF Pep was also questioned in this aspect but I think he has shown that he does have such capability recently with City (albeit with a ton of money), but it's still question mark with Zidane.
What? then what did SAF do all his years?
That's the thing, SAF had a role that is rare in Football, it's not the norm. Almost all clubs have a head coach that is in charge of coaching the first team and then they have DOFs and technical directors that are in charge of building teams and planning for the future whether we are talking about personnel or facilities.
Edit: Also I forgot to mention that Zidane is in theory one of the few that has an idea about that side of the sport because he studied sport management, he wanted to become a football executive, he first cameback to Real Madrid as a consultant for the Perez and then was an assistant of Valdano.
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Isn't this team supposed to be ready-made?
Zidane is a rather pragmatic coach. If his team needs to counter attack they will, if they can dominate they will. They will attack through the middle, through the wings or through balls in behind completely depending on the opponents. His teams don't stay true to a playing philosophy no matter what, they opt for the strategy that will give them the W. And he doesn't seem to be that close with his players or have a magnetic aura. It's more the fact that everyone of his players grew up watching him and know of his euros, world cup, balon d'or, champions league, league titles. They simply respect his achievements and know they, bar Ronaldo, are lesser football stars than Zidane and thus need to listen. Bear in mind he had some of the best players of all time at his disposal as well. And know that players born later than 94 really didn't watch Zidane play, and if they did they were very small, so they may not have the same respect for his achievements.
Appears to be more noise today regarding Zidane. Any particular reason?
Zidane has a game plan. He plays the diamond and attacks using the fullbacks and flanks.
I despair
I don't know. Managers failing at Manchester United seems like a pretty sure thing.
To be fair it’s the same thing people said about Pep at Barcelona. It wasn’t really until he turned City into the machine they are now that people begrudgingly accepted he’s probably the best coach in the world. At least that’s the way I saw it. But it’s going to take another club taking that “risk” with him before we know for sure, isn’t it?
Flows from Castles vs the Rodgers leaks.
A twitter handle reckons Ole and the club decided to part ways a few weeks back with a gentleman's agreement for Ole to step down before Christmas and Zidane is being lined up.
Could be nonsense.
He is a phenomenal manager, only person in history to win back to back UCL. Has probably one of the shortest managerial reigns with so much accomplished success domestically too not just in European competition.
Yes the Madrid team was good but Solskjaer has the best Manchester United team since 2008 and he's proving that good teams need good managers. If any team could carry itself the players would ask for double their wages, they would coach themselves and formulate their own plans to win games in succession.
Zidane who's more accomplished than Phelan, Carrick, McKenna and Solskjaer put together somehow still doesn't have the confidence of the fans who's present manager had a decent run at Molde and got Cardiff relegated. If Solskjaer is amongst fans regarded as decent Zidane is certainly phenomenal no question of a doubt.
Wouldn’t be top of my list as he has no affinity with England or the Premier League - nor does he seem to want to be here. If they hire him I will back him of course.
It would certainly be a bit weird to suddenly find ourselves with Zidane, Ronaldo and Varane at the club. Probably weird for Madrid fans too - imagine some alternate reality where Sir Alex, Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs all rocked up at the Bernabau together.
I'm not saying Zidane is the perfect manager for us, but I have to say I think it is piss funny that there are people on this thread saying they'd rather have Rodgers.
I think if I was Zidane and I read that, I would piss myself laughing. When the going gets tough, Rodgers bottles it.
I think if I was Zidane and I read that, I would piss myself laughing. When the going gets tough, Rodgers bottles it.
The Lord Pepus, the World's greatest manager ever, is yet to win a CL since managing Barcelona. This, despite, almost, unlimited budget at City.
People playing down Zidane's achievements most likely just don't like Frenchmen.
Making stupid statements like this doesn’t change anything
Saying Madrid weren’t even close, behave
Yeah …who the feck would want a 3 x CL winner when Brenton is available….
On paper you think that the team they had last season was close to the best team in the world?
You can’t use Oles poor management skills as a reason to say zidane is a “phenomenal” manager
Correct, Ole had the best team. And despite the best team having the worst manager we still finished second.
Now imagine that same team didn’t have Mcfred and slow man Pogba, but instead it had Kroos modric and Casemiro
tell me that team doesn’t walk the league
I thought we wanted a manager with a clear style of play. Not sure its the best move to go for Zidane infamous for not having a "style"
Not many have the team dripping in that talent
Not many have modric kroos casemiro, one of the best midfields of all time, the/one of, greatest players of all time.
infact I’d say very few managers would fail to win silverware with that team.
the team was insane, he’s absolutely done a crazy job, but phenomenal is held for the Fergies of the world
He's a big boy manager, I'll give him that. Players dont look at him and think "dont fancy that." If you cant respect a player/manager who has done what he has done, you should probably try a difference job.
We finished 2nd with 74 points and 12 points away from the league leader.
I like how delusional it's to think having a better midfielder than Scott and Fred will be enough to make Ole's United jump from 66-74 points to +87 points to win the league.
People were saying the same about Sancho. "Fecking the board fecking up Ole by not paying 120m for Sancho to solve our RW". Now Sancho is rotting on the bench.
They didn’t win anything last season so no I wouldn’t say that?