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Zinedine Zidane - 3 time CL winning manager without a job
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He is waiting for the France call
As a clubs, can manage only Real Madrid
We can say that his career his over
As a clubs, can manage only Real Madrid
We can say that his career his over
The best available option by far. I’d take Ten Hag if he was available now but I don’t think he’d come until the summer. And if it’s a choice of Zidane now or Ten Hag, maybe, later; I’d take Zidane now. A million times better then Brenton Rodgers
Please Thor make it so
At one point I was wondering if Zidane was tactically right or not, whether he made good transfers etc -
Now I just do not care.
He is the United manager that will go and scare the opposition fans, players and managers. It's the manager that Tottenham can have Conte and we won't look out of place with who we have along side the other managers at their clubs.
I know it's a very basic way of looking at things;
But you arguably question - why oh why can't the "biggest club in the world" thing that gets spouted about from our money load and wide fan base can't give Zidane a contract that make him contemplate changing his planned life?
We seem to give absolutely overloaded contracts to players at free will.
I'd rather just go for a top manager for once and try entice him to come with a nice full contract and see if we end up reaping the benefits from it for once.
Now I just do not care.
He is the United manager that will go and scare the opposition fans, players and managers. It's the manager that Tottenham can have Conte and we won't look out of place with who we have along side the other managers at their clubs.
I know it's a very basic way of looking at things;
But you arguably question - why oh why can't the "biggest club in the world" thing that gets spouted about from our money load and wide fan base can't give Zidane a contract that make him contemplate changing his planned life?
We seem to give absolutely overloaded contracts to players at free will.
I'd rather just go for a top manager for once and try entice him to come with a nice full contract and see if we end up reaping the benefits from it for once.
Zidane would be fine although he is untested outside of Real Madrid, a club he knows from top to bottom. I would prefer Brendan or Poch but the most important thing is to replace Ole immediately and salvage the season.
This will be a great statement of intent if it happens. That’s what we need from this board, rather than going for easy choices such as Rodgers.
I been thinking how much Man City had been building and planning for Pep even before he came due to the success they had seen Pep achieve at Barcelona.
I wonder the fact that they have still not won a CL during all this time may make them look at Zidane a bit and have planned already to go get him/achieved getting him.
Zidane doesn't seem to want much of an obvious club job whilst clubs like Juventus and United have needed new managers. At the same time Pep is talking about leaving in the next year or 2 too, I can see that happening even quicker if certain expectations are not met like Chelsea winning the title over them.
I hope we get Zidane, but if we don't then it won't surprise me if it was Man City. I initially thought they might go for Luis Enrique, going for the like for like managerial flow of Barcelona after Pep's tenure- but I can see them being enticed by getting a CL through Zidane.
I wonder the fact that they have still not won a CL during all this time may make them look at Zidane a bit and have planned already to go get him/achieved getting him.
Zidane doesn't seem to want much of an obvious club job whilst clubs like Juventus and United have needed new managers. At the same time Pep is talking about leaving in the next year or 2 too, I can see that happening even quicker if certain expectations are not met like Chelsea winning the title over them.
I hope we get Zidane, but if we don't then it won't surprise me if it was Man City. I initially thought they might go for Luis Enrique, going for the like for like managerial flow of Barcelona after Pep's tenure- but I can see them being enticed by getting a CL through Zidane.
I love Zidane as a player, still not sure about him as a manager. Especially as he has no experience of PL and doesnt even speak english. He would be a short term appointment for 2-3 years or less as his way.
Maybe with ronaldo, varane and pogba at u tied he might change his mind? Do we have any Real Madrid fans on here? Who was his assistant at Madrid during both his stints? Does he have his own core of background staff?
Anyone but Brendan
Although Zidane is using some elements of the Positional play (for example his use of the wingers in his first spell at Real was carbon copy of Pep's use while at Bayern) he has different football philosophy. Zidane's biggest influence are the italian coaches like Carlo Ancelotti and especially Marcelo Lippi for his tactical approach and in-game management. As you mentioned City prepared the club for Guardiola's arrival years before and in the last 6 years the club is running in a clear Pep model. The whole academy is working according to the way Guardiola wants to play so i believe Pep already has the Cruyff at Barca effect at Manchester City. So the next coach has to be in his mould. The perfect successor as of now looks like to be Erik Ten Hag, but in 2023 there may be other candidates emerging as well.. For example Thomas Tuchel might be out of the job at Chelsea at that time?!
You know it's time to close the thread when Jose's mouthpiece was saying something regarding the topic. Baldy has this witch-like effect that everything his mouth mumbles about burns.
David Bettoni and Hamidou Msaidie are Zidane's trusted assistants..In his first spell at Real Madrid he trusted Antonio Pintus to gain back the fitness level of the team as Zizou thought it was not good enough.. Pintus went later to Antonio Conte's staff at Inter and now is back at Real Madrid to be part of Ancelotti's staff.
I want to see this team well coached and tactically looking brilliant. Will Zidane bring that? I find it hard to judge on his Real stint because, yes he was successful, but they had by far the best team. I didn't pay much attention to them at the time as, at times over the last 8 years, I've had a bit of a hiatus from football other than United since we've been so depressing to watch.
I will wait until someone more reliable are also on it, before getting giddy. I am have been burned too many times.
I'm the last 24 hours we've had stories about all 3 managers that we're interested in. Feels like we're being strung along again.
The irony of you to post that when
1) Vidal should've gotten red-carded 5 minutes into the game (and the one he got 50 minutes later was 100% deserved)
2) You also scored an offside goal to even get to extra time
With proper refeering this game ends 1-1 and you're out, you don't even get to play extra time.
Also Madrid had like 20 shots to 4 for Bayern that game, wasn't even close on the night.
The guy lives in a Real Madrid bubble. It won't work and I don't think he would take the job. Utd need a professional manager who can come in and turn things around. Ten Hag has done it once...big whoopsy. Poch has done it twice. Brendan has done it repeatedly. Fecking Zidane. Maybe he will headbutt Klopp in the chest and volley the winner in from the technical area.
Agree , even a French guy who’s won 3 CL’s and doesn't speak English.
But I don’t think he wants a move to PL it seems he’s waiting for France NT or PSG. At this stage I’d give him a contract which says he’s free to leave if these jobs come up.
Yeah maybe Tuchel but it seems a bit too soon to go from Chelsea to City in the next couple of years.
City before Pep were building up towards Pep but had managers like Pellegrini and Mancini which weren't the most possesion based were they?
Ten Hag doesn't seem like City's style to me (unless there's not many availability) - they have gone with the more well known names that have achieved something (or atleast got close) than really going for someone who is a bit of an up and coming manager in my eyes anyway.
It's why I see Luis Enrique after his Spain Job going to City. He was able to use the same Barcelona players after Pep but also play slightly different whilst also using players like Rakitic. His team felt they carried Pep's possesion football but added some Luis Enrique's basic A to B football. (Who knows where Arteta or Xavi may be by this time to be honest
)The other option is again, Zidane. The name is there. The success is there. The contract is going to be insane and the expectations will be justified because its what they need the most. More than a PL title win.
I just hope we go with Zidane though - it's embarrassing watching Liverpool, City and Chelsea have Klopp, Pep, Conte and Tuchel and us going for Brendan Rodgers.
I'd rather try get Zidane whilst the big managers are here and when they start leaving (Klopp, Pep has talked about leaving, Tuchel and Conte are not the most long-term people) - then go for Brendan Rodgers when the competition eases up a bit.
My problem with Zidane is that when playing superior teams he counter attacked despite the wealth of talent available to him...you could see him looking at Utd as a similar type of approach. you can’t help but be envious of City and Pool and Bayern and PSG fans or in the past Barca and Real fans...who know that whoever their team play they know their team will go on the front foot and try dominate. That’s what I would like Utd to aim toward...Only coach out there that seems capable of that that is available anytime soon is Ten Haag.
And therein lays part of the problem. Our squad in key areas of the pitch just isn't up to it. Christ, compare Maguire to a prime Ramos....Modric & Kroos to Fred and McTominay. It's just laughable.
I'd love ZZ to come in because at least he would command respect in the dressing room from Ronaldo, Pogba and the likes; my biggest worry is that no matter who comes in, they've got a considerable job in front of them in trying to motivate this group of players again and try to coach then to play a system.... All in a very short space of time
I dont think the club would reject Conte because he is expensive, "short-term" and not a yes man, and then go for Zidane, who is all those things but not as good tactically or can speak the language.
Don’t believe anything Castles says. This is for him to say every week that Zidane was first choice but snubbed United.
Zidane is the most glamorous name though, both from his player fame and with his repeated CL wins, and he has worked with Varane and Ronaldo before.
And in terms of continuity his signing makes a lot of sense. Tactically, he is exactly as Ole, with the difference that he wins finals and trophies are not an ego thing for him (as his head butt decision in the World Cup final does attest).
It sounds like a perfect match to me.
Interesting Castles pinning his colours to the mast here. Alan nixon seems pretty sure it's Brendan and I think Ian McGarry knows Brendan, so probably more inclined to believe Castles on this one.
I think the reference to Ronaldo , who Castles has a pretty obvious in with, is telling.
Very good point as well. I didn't think Zidane would be interested though, so will have to see how this turns out.
Isn't Castle one of Mendes mouthpiece?
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That's actually a good point you make about McGarry and his link to Rodgers.
He certainly spends a lot of time with his mouth on Mendes' piece, yes.
Another manager with zero distinctive style of play, who wouldn't know what coaching is if it bit him squarely on the backside. Can't wait for it to dawn on everyone that he relied so heavily on such an insanely talented squad with shit ton of luck to get his champions league wins. Count on our useless board to make him the number 1 target though.
Is Zidane as combative as Conte though? Or likely to be as demanding in terms of recruitment?
My impression (rightly or wrongly) is that Zidane is more likely to just peace out and leave if he's unhappy, whereas Conte would be a bit more expressive in his discontent.
Which one of the two headbutted someone during a WC final?
The Times is quite reliable isn't it?
EDIT: I know Castles talks a LOT of shite, but it's usually in The Daily Record or on his podcast - I doubt The Times would publish it if there wasn't something in it.
Also it doesn't mean we're getting him, just means the club are enquiring and Zidane is considering it but has doubts - which isn't exactly fantastical.
If we are looking at Zidane, I'd say it's a sign Ronaldo is starting to exert his power on the board.
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Has anyone so far in this thread explained how Zidane's team setup/play tactically?
I kinda have a blank memory of the time Real won the CL thrice as football was tough to watch when we were so shite.
Would be great if resident Madrid fans can take the time to post a little write-up or if someone can post the link to a twitter thread (there's always a twitter thread about a manager's tactics).
I kinda have a blank memory of the time Real won the CL thrice as football was tough to watch when we were so shite.
Would be great if resident Madrid fans can take the time to post a little write-up or if someone can post the link to a twitter thread (there's always a twitter thread about a manager's tactics).
I think he proved himself a tad bit more than you seem to claim here but I largely agree with you.
We definitely need a proper coaching manager, my preference is Ten Haag.
Im sick of managers who rely on coaches to implement what they want and the two guys Zidane is close to (Pogba and Varane) are leaving and constantly injured respectively.
He would command respect from the squad but I think Ole’s tenure has shown the players to be respectful anyway if a little lacking in character.