Zinedine Zidane - 3 time CL winning manager without a job
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There's been managers who have won things with no style of play. Both very recent times and in the past.
Whilst I'm not 100% sure about Zidane either ultimately the thing that makes a good no style of play manager is their tactical ability to get the best out of their players and to always have that tactical knowledge with them.
This is what Ole lacks, he cant make a sub, he can't even arguably make a formation that gets the best out of the players he wants, he can't even use his weaker players and aim to get them better through tactics.
The style of play is sure a good thing but I wouldn't say its essential.
If we can get half that amount of ‘luck’, I’ll take it
It barely even counts if you headbutt them in the chest.
I don't think Zidane will come but if he does, there should be a plan for the manager after him.
He isn't gonna stay for more than 18 months, he strikes me as someone who gets bored quickly with management.
He isn't gonna stay for more than 18 months, he strikes me as someone who gets bored quickly with management.
"Did they reject Conte because he's expensive and not a yes man?
Keep in mind that he only managed Real Madrid which is probably the worst place to manage or play when it comes to daily pressure and the drama that any result that isn't a resounding win creates.
Reports are that Rodgers is the most likely contender, and its true that they rejected Conte. So chances are, they dont care about "glamour" and just want a stooge who will do their bidding, and get minimum top 4. Zidane is unlikely to be a "long-term" appointment either, which is what the board wants.
Exactly what Conte did this summer.
Yes, reportedly.
I don't regard the body of source material for both claims as anywhere near strong enough to take them seriously as the basis for an argument.
So, who says?
The reports that Rodgers is the most likely contender are too flimsy to think that he actually is, and we also don't know whether the idea that United rejected Conte has any truth to it. Where was this claimed? "Reject" is a strange word anyway when you are supposed to be the one hiring.
Thanks for that.
There was no mention of zidane in fridays transfer window podcast. I do wonder if Ronaldo has gone mendes involved to ty to lure zidane. After all there will be a intermediary or superagent involved in all of this.
The real question is...
Can he do it on a rainy night in Stoke?
Can he do it on a rainy night in Stoke?
Zidane has the presence, the status in the game and the history of success as a player and manager but I still have this odd question mark over him.
Yeah, seems like a bit of new info. It feels like mendes and Ronaldo engineered the move back to United, so wouldn't put it past him to engineer this too!
Was it Zidane who wanted VDB at Real as well?
Please football gods make this happen.
Maybe reject is not the right word, more like "didnt consider".
Many good sources like Athletic and Stone have reported that our targets are Rodgers, Pochetino and Ten Hag. They have also reported the reasons why we chose not to move for Conte.
The sources linking Zidane to United are even more flimsy tbh. Maybe to a Bayern fan it might sound outlandish, but when I hear that the board wants a yes man(which Zidane isnt), it makes sense to me. Our board is shit. I dont think they care about the CV of the manager much.
I was concerned that he doesn't speak English but thinking about it, he probably has more common languages with the players in our squad than not. Also, Bielsa makes it work and his squad is majority English speaking.
Have you just started taking creatine?
Not keen but he’s not Ole so..
Surely Zidane is on another level to Rogers. I really hope they go all out on this. You don't win the CL 3 times 'because he had the best players' or 'got lucky' as I have heard a lot.
Classic Fabrizio "at the moment" Romano.
I know that. All I'm saying is, it seems to me that we know very little or next to nothing, reliably, about what the club's plans are and what has happened with regards to a potential managerial change if anything at all. The best sourced info to me seems to be that the club is hoping to continue with Solskjaer (even if personally I don't think this would carry further than next summer even if he clings on).
Castles has also mentioned that United and City both like Rodgers, so it's not an either/or.
I really don't like Castles, he's a grown man spending his days winding up football fans by mocking certain clubs/managers/players every chance he gets. But his opinions don't mean his inside reporting is fabricated, I think he's more well connected than people care to admit. He seems to brown-nose some fairly high profile agents and players, particularly Mendes clients and he's well known to have ties with Mourinho's camp. I remember he had an exclusive interview with Evra couple of years ago who he covered stories on when he was still playing, he's reported a lot of De Gea in the past, and Ronaldo so I can definitely believe him when he says senior players want rid of Solskjaer.
Realistically Zidane won't be coming here and everyone will say "see I told you he was bullshitting".. It's very real possibility we're trying to convince Zidane and he'll turn us down, the article says after all that he doesn't really fancy it at the moment.
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For those who says Zidane is unproven because he's only had success at 1 club.. Do you think Bayern Munich were stupid to appoint Pep as he'd only ever done it at Barca? Ten Hag will also be getting a top job in the summer based off his success at Ajax, his brief spell at Utrecht will be a complete irrelevance to the big clubs who are chasing him.
It would be absolutely bizarre for a manager to win 3 CL's and 2 league titles in the space for 4.5 years and every top club in Europe to say "you know what, I think he's lucky and too big a risk for us".
Ultimately every manager could be a complete failure here. Zidane is no more of a risk than Ten Hag, Pochettino and Rodgers.
United are overcomplicating things massively. You appoint the most logical choice to bring you success, and if they don't work out you replace them with the next most logical appointment. Chelsea can win leagues and champions leagues with Conte and Tuchel but you would have United fans suggesting "I just don't think they're the right fit for United, not our type of manager". This is a major reason we've not won a big trophy in 9 years, pure arrogance.
It would be absolutely bizarre for a manager to win 3 CL's and 2 league titles in the space for 4.5 years and every top club in Europe to say "you know what, I think he's lucky and too big a risk for us".
Ultimately every manager could be a complete failure here. Zidane is no more of a risk than Ten Hag, Pochettino and Rodgers.
United are overcomplicating things massively. You appoint the most logical choice to bring you success, and if they don't work out you replace them with the next most logical appointment. Chelsea can win leagues and champions leagues with Conte and Tuchel but you would have United fans suggesting "I just don't think they're the right fit for United, not our type of manager". This is a major reason we've not won a big trophy in 9 years, pure arrogance.
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It’s not the success at one club arguement at all...it’s the manner and circumstance of the success which make it tricky to assess the scope of the achievement. There is a chance he was in the right place at the right time with the right aura and right message as opposed to a great tactician who executed a master plan.
Utd fans are seeking the later I feel.
Looking for the 'next Fergie' is costing us big time. I agree, just get the best person for the job. The job in question is winning trophies. End of.
Zidane is class. No matter how great your squad is you don't win three CLs in a row if you don't have something about you.
People were saying he'd be found out when he returned to Madrid without Ronaldo but it didn't stop him winning his second league title. It's bizarre people would opt for the 'PL proven' Rodgers over someone of Zidane's pedigree.
People were saying he'd be found out when he returned to Madrid without Ronaldo but it didn't stop him winning his second league title. It's bizarre people would opt for the 'PL proven' Rodgers over someone of Zidane's pedigree.
Exactly.
If it is so easy when you have the players how come City and PSG have struggled in the CL. They both have had really good squads for years.
I really don't understand how people can even say this. Sure, you could possibly get really lucky with a good squad and fluke it once. But 3 times?, no chance.
+ another semi final.
+ 2 league titles in 4 full seasons.
If it's that easy to assemble an expensive squad of players and just throw them out on the pitch on their way to 3 consecutive champions leagues, everyone would be doing it. How many managers only last 6 months or 1 year in these big jobs because they lose the dressing room or they just can't get the best out of the players? At the very least commanding the respect of the players over many years, and getting the best out of them has to be worth something, it's incredibly common for managers at big clubs to fail to do these basics and that's why they don't last.
Its as you say, Communications wise Zidane ( who can speak French & Spanish, probably Italian too) would be able to speak with:
De Gea, Varane, Pogba, Cavani, Ronaldo, Bailly, Amad, Martial and Mata, and maybe Bruno who speaks Italian, so that's almost more than third of the squad
The rest are English or Portuguese speakers (Fred & Telles are probably hapless in English but Dalot, Bruno & Ronaldo can speak English).
I'd say if Zidane comes, he would need a trusted assistant coach who can speak English.
That would be some luck when you consider the fact that he had success in both of his stints, the first time with a great attack and the second time with a great defense, he also had the same staff so it's not as if we can use the argument that it was someone else's work.
Fixed that for ya.
For a manager famous for his man management, not speaking the language is a problem.
Yeah, you are not wrong here, I'm just saying if he comes, there are players he can communicate with, and with the right staff around him, it's workable, not ideal.