Youri Tielemans

Fosu Mensah---------Tielemans
---------------------Pogba----------------

Januzaj----------Rashford-----Martial

Imagine if all these players reached their potential. Would be an immense first XI in 3 or 4 years. Thing like this rarely materialise but the thought of it is orgasmic.
 
izec said:
Would be relatively cheap? Would be the perfect Carrick replacement, i would buy him. Think he is worth a punt, needs to take the next step
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You'd have the club spend £30 million on a player, to replace Carrick. A player who is nothing like Carrick and isn't a holding midfielder. On the basis of he's worth a punt? Why not just get Ravel back and play him there? He knows Pogba's game inside and his YouTube highlight far out do Tielemans.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
You wouldnt sign a player at that age to be the main man.
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He wouldn't be. He'd just be another player in the team.

itso 7 said:
I think he means a player who'd replace Carrick's passing and the holding role can go to TFM who is more combative and defensively astute.
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Still seems like someone who wants to take players on. Like Pogba.
 
Red_toad said:
You'd have the club spend £30 million on a player, to replace Carrick. A player who is nothing like Carrick and isn't a holding midfielder. On the basis of he's worth a punt? Why not just get Ravel back and play him there? He knows Pogba's game inside and his YouTube highlight far out do Tielemans.
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You are a clown. Tielemans is a CM, not a 10. The few times i watched him he played as an 8, he could be a good deep lying midfielder. Keep your shitty sarcasm for yourself.
 
notcool said:
Carrick is a 6, not an 8.
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FFS, Carrick started as an 8 too. The guy is a teenager, he can be whatever he wants to be. He has the tools to develop wherever he wants in midfield. I just said that he could be an option for us to play the Carrick role in the future.
 
Based only on his performances the last year or so, he's worth about 3-5 million and nowhere near ready for a move to Utd or a top-10 PL side in general.

He's only 19 and certainly has the potential, but you can only ignore below average performances and lack of improvement for so long.

I honestly think he played better at 16 than he does nowadays.
 
Superpolfcb said:
Based only on his performances the last year or so, he's worth about 3-5 million and nowhere near ready for a move to Utd or a top-10 PL side in general.

He's only 19 and certainly has the potential, but you can only ignore below average performances and lack of improvement for so long.

I honestly think he played better at 16 than he does nowadays.
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I'm by no means a avid watcher of the Belgian league but have seen him a handful of times for Anderletch in European competitions and I've been impressed. Could the level of the league be stagnating he's progress?
 
izec said:
FFS, Carrick started as an 8 too. The guy is a teenager, he can be whatever he wants to be. He has the tools to develop wherever he wants in midfield. I just said that he could be an option for us to play the Carrick role in the future.
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Why not buy someone like Carrick then rather than shoehorning more
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
I'm by no means a avid watcher of the Belgian league but have seen him a handful of times for Anderletch in European competitions and I've been impressed. Could the level of the league be stagnating he's progress?
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It's true that some of his better games have been against better opposition in Europe, but I don't really consider that a positive.
If, at 19, you can only bother performing against teams like Spurs, there's a mentality problem.

Don't think the level of the league is stagnating his progress btw. That would be the case if Belgian league games started to look too easy for him, but he often couldn't even get into the starting XI. New coach seems to have a good effect on him though, as he's a first team regular again and has lost some weight.
 
izec said:
FFS, Carrick started as an 8 too. The guy is a teenager, he can be whatever he wants to be. He has the tools to develop wherever he wants in midfield. I just said that he could be an option for us to play the Carrick role in the future.
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I guess in terms on qualities he can play there. He has the strength and has a good tackle, I suppose, has good passing ability and the dribbling skill to get himself out of trouble, which can be important. Reminds me of Verratti, for some reason. I wonder if he's good enough positionally to play there and if he would be content with just sitting and spraying the ball around.
 
izec said:
You are a clown. Tielemans is a CM, not a 10. The few times i watched him he played as an 8, he could be a good deep lying midfielder. Keep your shitty sarcasm for yourself.
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He's not a holding midfielder, don't see where I said he was a 10?

Keep the shitty overly defensive stuff to yourself pal. If you express a poorly informed post, then expect some feedback!
 
Red_toad said:
He's not a holding midfielder, don't see where I said he was a 10?

Keep the shitty overly defensive stuff to yourself pal. If you express a poorly informed post, then expect some feedback!
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Well you said lets get Ravel back and play him there, who is an attacking mid, so it is easy to see why i assumed that.
 
Superpolfcb said:
Based only on his performances the last year or so, he's worth about 3-5 million and nowhere near ready for a move to Utd or a top-10 PL side in general.

He's only 19 and certainly has the potential, but you can only ignore below average performances and lack of improvement for so long.

I honestly think he played better at 16 than he does nowadays.
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This is the issue. Of course he's too young and can have his ups and downs but this means his mentality isn't the best so it's better for us to sit out and watch for now. On the other hand since his fee is so cheap now we might take a risk and see whether a more challenging environment will push him to improve himself.
 
khoazany said:
This is the issue. Of course he's too young and can have his ups and downs but this means his mentality isn't the best so it's better for us to sit out and watch for now. On the other hand since his fee is so cheap now we might take a risk and see whether a more challenging environment will push him to improve himself.
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Well, other big clubs have been snapping up promising young CMs recently: Sanches, Kryochwak (sorry, I'm horrible with Polish names), Xhaka. Might as well pick him up and loan him out for awhile, a la Chelsea.
 
Superpolfcb said:
Based only on his performances the last year or so, he's worth about 3-5 million and nowhere near ready for a move to Utd or a top-10 PL side in general.

He's only 19 and certainly has the potential, but you can only ignore below average performances and lack of improvement for so long.

I honestly think he played better at 16 than he does nowadays.
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Exactly this. I can't add much more. As a Belgian myself I watch Anderlecht weekly and I completely agree with Superpolfcb.

It would be a punt yes... That's the least you could say. He will be bullied in the PL. He's not ready for it imo.
 
:lol: Ah well. I'm sure if he does end up fulfilling his potential he'd certainly be on our radar.
 
It should be pretty telling that the ones rating him the lowest in this thread are the actual Belgians, while the ones rating him highest are the FIFA and FM warlords.
 
SwansonsTache said:
It should be pretty telling that the ones rating him the lowest in this thread are the actual Belgians, while the ones rating him highest are the FIFA and FM warlords.
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I don't know if it's rating him 'lowest', it's more rating him with rationality and the accuracy of assessing him more directly.

In any case, it's the same for a lot of young central midfield talents. I think only maybe Renato Sanches is the one I can think of who consistently played really well last season. It's part and parcel of playing youth talents - Ruben Neves, Tielemans, Bazoer, etc. etc. all dipped at points last season. Other positions of more established players at bigger leagues like Sane, Bellerin, and even Martial had the same problems at times last season.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I don't know if it's rating him 'lowest', it's more rating him with rationality and the accuracy of assessing him more directly.

In any case, it's the same for a lot of young central midfield talents. I think only maybe Renato Sanches is the one I can think of who consistently played really well last season. It's part and parcel of playing youth talents - Ruben Neves, Tielemans, Bazoer, etc. etc. all dipped at points last season. Other positions of more established players at bigger leagues like Sane, Bellerin, and even Martial had the same problems at times last season.
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Yes. But I've noticed that not a single of the Belgian posters in here think he is ready for a step up to us. And since they have the biggest sample size I choose to listen to them.

In other news I've heard good stuff about Dahoud and Goretzka from the BL watchers. Also the BL is a more comparable league to the PL than Belgium, Portugal, Holland.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Yes. But I've noticed that not a single of the Belgian posters in here think he is ready for a step up to us. And since they have the biggest sample size I choose to listen to them.

In other news I've heard good stuff about Dahoud and Goretzka from the BL watchers. Also the BL is a more comparable league to the PL than Belgium, Portugal, Holland.
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remember watching him when he was younger thought he was going to be a superstar then he got a long term injury, take it hes come back and playing well again ?
 
SwansonsTache said:
Yes. But I've noticed that not a single of the Belgian posters in here think he is ready for a step up to us. And since they have the biggest sample size I choose to listen to them.

In other news I've heard good stuff about Dahoud and Goretzka from the BL watchers. Also the BL is a more comparable league to the PL than Belgium, Portugal, Holland.
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Doubt even the ones that rate him think he's ready to step up and play regularly for us. That's why the move doesn't make sense for him anyways.
 
Varun said:
Doubt even the ones that rate him think he's ready to step up and play regularly for us. That's why the move doesn't make sense for him anyways.
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Exactly. He should go to a smaller German of French team (not PSG, Bayern, Borussia), for 2-3 years and we'll see what happens with him. He's definetly talented, but no way he's ready for a team like Utd.
 
notcool said:
Because he's energetic, box-to-box and can run with the ball?
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That's besides the point. Pogba was signed because we were crying out for a top class midfielder, Tielemans really wouldn't have been a viable alternative to Pogba as he isn't anywhere near good enough to command a regular spot in the team. That aside, they're not even that similar.
 
Ainu said:
That's besides the point. Pogba was signed because we were crying out for a top class midfielder, Tielemans really wouldn't have been a viable alternative to Pogba as he isn't anywhere near good enough to command a regular spot in the team. That aside, they're not even that similar.
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Maybe he was signed because he fit the profile. Who is another top class midfielder that we could have signed instead of Pogba?
 
Ainu said:
That's besides the point. Pogba was signed because we were crying out for a top class midfielder, Tielemans really wouldn't have been a viable alternative to Pogba as he isn't anywhere near good enough to command a regular spot in the team. That aside, they're not even that similar.
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There's no way tielemans could be an alternative to pogba, you're right if that's your point.
 
Varun said:
There's no way tielemans could be an alternative to pogba
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What about Matuidi? Would he have been an alternative?

Ainu said:
I don't understand how this question relates to Tielemans.
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Because I want to know who is a viable alternative to Pogba? Do they have to be top class or just a certain class of midfielder?
 
notcool said:
Because I want to know who is a viable alternative to Pogba? Do they have to be top class or just a certain class of midfielder?
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We needed someone to improve our midfield and Pogba was the best available. You seem to imply that if we couldn't get Pogba, we might just as well get Tielemans. I reject that idea on the basis that not only would Tielemans fail to improve our midfield, he'd barely get a game here. He is talented but at the moment he isn't good enough.
 
Ainu said:
We needed someone to improve our midfield and Pogba was the best available. You seem to imply that if we couldn't get Pogba, we might just as well get Tielemans. I reject that idea on the basis that not only would Tielemans fail to improve our midfield, he'd barely get a game here. He is talented but at the moment he isn't good enough.
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I don't know if we needed to improve our midfield simply. I think we needed a certain profile of player. If you think that Tielemans might fit that profile but is not good enough (yet) then I can accept that.
 
notcool said:
What about Matuidi? Would he have been an alternative?


Because I want to know who is a viable alternative to Pogba? Do they have to be top class or just a certain class of midfielder?
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Could have been even though he's not similar to pogba in terms of style which would mean us tweaking things probably, who knows. Point is, unlike tielemans, he's definitely someone who's ready and capable of starting for us.
 
Varun said:
Could have been even though he's not similar to pogba in terms of style which would mean us tweaking things probably, who knows. Point is, unlike tielemans, he's definitely someone who's ready and capable of starting for us.
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Matuidi would have been that second midfielder running forward in a 4-2-3-1, no? If you're saying Tielemans isn't ready, that's fine.
 
notcool said:
Matuidi would have been that second midfielder running forward in a 4-2-3-1, no? If you're saying Tielemans isn't ready, that's fine.
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Yes, that would have been his role. I'm just not sure whether he'd have been considered creative enough but I doubt we could have done much about it anyways.
 
Ainu said:
That's besides the point. Pogba was signed because we were crying out for a top class midfielder, Tielemans really wouldn't have been a viable alternative to Pogba as he isn't anywhere near good enough to command a regular spot in the team. That aside, they're not even that similar.
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This.
 
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