This is key for me. Taking over United is 1986 was a lot different to taking over now.
Your preference for the next Manager?
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This is key for me. Taking over United is 1986 was a lot different to taking over now.
Where's Jamie Redknapp?
Playing golf on a beach. Lazy cnut.
True, but we can hardly count that as a pro for Moyes. We're in very different times now, I'd be pretty sure we could have nearly any manager we wanted as we're one of the most attractive clubs to manage in the world.
Picking a manager that'll end up a success is very difficult as there are so few genuinely great ones, all you can do is reduce the risk of making a bad appointment and hope for the best. You reduce that risk by employing very strict criteria which, imo, should include: a) having won trophies before, b)having won the league, c) success (and preferably victory) in the cl. Those three things would be the first thing I'd look at if I was hiring the next manager. Management is ultimately about making sure the team wins, so I'd look for that manager to have experience as a winner. Moyes doesn't fit that criteria, so obviously the club was looking at other factors.
I hope Moyes turns out to be a fantastic appointment but I think it's fair to say that there were a lot of other candidates who'd be a surer bet for success. I'm just wondering what criteria Moyes was chosen on that doesn't include "winning things". This is a very risky appointment imo.
Who are all the other candidates? Mourinho has a tendency to offer short-term success and then leave the club in decline, if you take a long-term view then he isn't going to guarantee any kind of continued success or stability. Moreover he always spends alot of money on high profile transfers, often pissing it away on overpriced players. That also isn't sustainable, though it can guarantee short-term results. This club expects more than that though.
I'd be shocked if the Glazers made such a risky move, surely they realize their investment will be in the hands of someone who has no relevant experience in the competition we expect to play in every season.
After all those recent deals, surely they're not looking to save a few $ by going for Moyes...
Mourinho has a tendency to offer short-term success and then leave the club in decline, if you take a long-term view then he isn't going to guarantee any kind of continued success or stability. Moreover he always spends alot of money on high profile transfers, often pissing it away on overpriced players. That also isn't sustainable, though it can guarantee short-term results. This club expects more than that though.
Where as Moyes will guarantee no sucess. Its really the cheap option.
I would go with Jose, despite all the negatives one can say about him. But of it's Moyes then I'll stand behind that decision, no bitching or moaning. Would we not all do the same thing?
Mourinho has a tendency to offer short-term success and then leave the club in decline, if you take a long-term view then he isn't going to guarantee any kind of continued success or stability. Moreover he always spends alot of money on high profile transfers, often pissing it away on overpriced players. That also isn't sustainable, though it can guarantee short-term results. This club expects more than that though.
The first thing I'd be looking for in a manger is a history of success, by which I mean having won trophies. That's what successful management at Man Utd is about, so that's the first thing I'd look at. By that criteria there are a huge number of candidates more qualified than Moyes. The likes of Mourinho and Klopp are obvious examples, but even someone less heralded here like Acellotti would be a safer bet. Hell, Wenger would be a safer bet. And more. All candidates will have their flaws but "not having won things" is the first flaw I'd have eliminated. "No experience in the cl" is another. Basically it seems that we're appointing a manager based on criteria that ignores the fundemental things I'd personally be looking for in a manager, or that most clubs in our position would look for in a manager.
The club haven't hired Moyes because he's the cheap option. You can say what you like about the Glazers but they've proven themselves to be astute businessmen and making the most important managerial decision in the history of the club based on how low his wages are is incredibly shortsighted.
If they decide to hire Moyes it's because he is viewed as the best man for the job.
I'm happy with Moyes. I never wanted Jose for a second.
The trouble is a lot of Reds on here have only known Fergie as the boss and are spoiled with success. We have to be patient and give DM time to stamp his mark on the club.
The trouble is a lot of Reds on here have only known Fergie as the boss and are spoiled with success. We have to be patient and give DM time to stamp his mark on the club.
He hasn't had the chance to win trophies because Everton don't have a squad good enough to compete. It's not as if he has been in the position to win the league or European Cup and failed to do so, he just hasn't been in contention.
It comes down to whether you have confidence in his abilities to make the step up and make the transition into a title winning side. Personally I have absolute belief that he can do that, though it will doubtless take a few seasons in Europe. He has demonstrated himself to be an excellent manager, I don't think anyone can disagree with that. He's shrewd in the transfer market, has drilled a well organised side, isn't afraid to look to the youth team and handles the press well enough.
Got a bit of an insight to Moyes from a guy at work.
His mate (who is Moyes' second cousin) was over at Everton last week shadowing him as part of his coaching badges. Apparently the guy was standing at the side of the pitch watching the first team training and as they finished they walked over and each introduced themselves and shook his hand.
He asked another guy why they did that and he said Moyes has it instilled in them that they treat each person who visits the club with respect that they would expect.
Also, the players when they are finished in the canteen are expected to bring their own trays up and thank the dinnerladies.
While these are just minor things, i think it shows what Moyes character is like and sounds just like something Fergie would appreciate.
Whether Mourinho would do the same......I doubt it.
I think Moyes, unless the job becomes too big for him, is the right choice as he will look at managing the whole club and bringing players through the ranks like Fergie did, whereas Mourinho/Klopp would be looking for instant success and then be gone in 3 or 4 years.
His mate (who is Moyes' second cousin) was over at Everton last week shadowing him as part of his coaching badges. Apparently the guy was standing at the side of the pitch watching the first team training and as they finished they walked over and each introduced themselves and shook his hand.
He asked another guy why they did that and he said Moyes has it instilled in them that they treat each person who visits the club with respect that they would expect.
Also, the players when they are finished in the canteen are expected to bring their own trays up and thank the dinnerladies.
While these are just minor things, i think it shows what Moyes character is like and sounds just like something Fergie would appreciate.
Whether Mourinho would do the same......I doubt it.
I think Moyes, unless the job becomes too big for him, is the right choice as he will look at managing the whole club and bringing players through the ranks like Fergie did, whereas Mourinho/Klopp would be looking for instant success and then be gone in 3 or 4 years.
I think the same applies to Martin O'Neill and if he hadn't blown it at Sunderland he would have been strongly in the frame now.
Classy, exactly like United.
Did you live through the wilderness years?
I put up with it for over 20 years & I certainly don't want a return to it when there are clearly, for anyone to see, better options available than Moyes.
Nah he blew it years ago at Villa, they never showed the consistency of Moyes' Everton.
He also pissed away huge sums of money on absolute dross, Villa were one of the highest spending teams in the league under O'Neill.
Why is Benitez even on the list?
Do you really believe the club will be as patient as back when SAF joined.
I don't really disagree with that. It does come down to wether you have faith that he can make the step up. He might very well be able to do that as he is a very good manager. My point is that with the other candidates we know they can make the step up because they've already done it. We don't know that Moyes can, so we're taking a risk on it. Of all the things to take a risk on, "ability to win" would be the last imo.
He will be our next interim manager,
Moyes wont last a single season in this climate if, for example, Mourinho rolls in at the Bridge and wins the double and we finish lower than 2nd.
What about Jupp Heynckes? He's out of a job in the summer, stated he still wants to manage and has the European experience which is the major sticking point against Moyes from alot of people.
Plus he's an intimidating son of a bitch. His angry face alone could probably get Anderson on the treadmill for hours and Valencia using his left.
Plus he's an intimidating son of a bitch. His angry face alone could probably get Anderson on the treadmill for hours and Valencia using his left.
Shall we go through the list of smaller clubs who have won trophies since Moyes has managed Everton?
The problem here is why should we risk it all on someone who may or may not have the ability to step up and make the transition when there are candidates available who HAVE ALREADY stepped up and made the transition?
So much for Gill and his European experience shenanigans. Trolling til the very end.
I've been wondering about this myself.
If the Moyes rumours are true I don't know why fans are so underwhelmed by it. Fergie probably knows him better than most what Moyes is like so you can be sure if he takes over Fergie will know better than most if he is the right man for the job. Surely after all this time you should at least know if he pushes for Moyes he is doing for the club.
Also one thing Fergie has always gone on about is having someone in it for the long term, he is an old school manager with old school beliefs. Mourinho has never managed a club for more than three years, wherever he has gone controversy has followed him. Yeah he has won a lot but he has also inherited very expensively assembled squads and had millions more to throw at the squad. I think Ferguson wouldn't want that at that club, short term success is not what a club should be looking for, always need to think in the long term.
Also one thing Fergie has always gone on about is having someone in it for the long term, he is an old school manager with old school beliefs. Mourinho has never managed a club for more than three years, wherever he has gone controversy has followed him. Yeah he has won a lot but he has also inherited very expensively assembled squads and had millions more to throw at the squad. I think Ferguson wouldn't want that at that club, short term success is not what a club should be looking for, always need to think in the long term.
He's 68 though, that's only three years younger than SAF.
Not much of a long term solution. He's 68 tomorrow.
It's evident the board and SAF all believe in stability. Appointing a 68 year old is the complete opposite. He'll retire in 3-4 at the most and we'll be stuck with the same problem.
As others have said, Jose would be amazing in the short term, but for the long term I think Moyes is the better option. Also, if SAF think he's the best manager to go forward with, well then he certainly has by backing if it does turn out to be him.
Shall we go through the list of smaller clubs who have won trophies since Moyes has managed Everton?
The problem here is why should we risk it all on someone who may or may not have the ability to step up and make the transition when there are candidates available who HAVE ALREADY stepped up and made the transition?
Exactly, any appointment is a risk but we have to reduce that risk as much as we can. Moyes is as risky an appointment as we could have reasonably made as he has zero experience winning things in the league or cl. So why take the risk?
It says a lot that even the most absurdly positive people on this board are underwhelmed by getting Moyes, well, except Twigginator, but he'd probably be ecstatic if we hired a Rubber Duck as our new manager.
If we wanted to make a risky move, Cantona or Giggs would at least have the fans on their side for longer if we get off to a bad start next season.
I have yes, I lived through The Doc, Sexton and even BFR's roller coaster ride. If Fergie wasn't sticking around as Moyes consigliere then I'd maybe prefer a bigger profile. Still not Jose though, he's a circus.
No but Fergie didn't inherit a successful side and had all the building work ahead of him.
Fergie's still going to be around so I'm happy with Moyes in that respect.
Is a pirate Rubber Duck? If so, I can get behind that.
So.... given that Pep is off to Bayern, and Jose looks nailed on at Chelsea, who would you go for?
Yeah, and it makes a really cool squeaky sound when you squeeze it. It's also pretty damn cute.