A giant rubber duck?
Yeees!
I definitely think I'm on to something here.
Rubber Duck for Manager!
Your preference for the next Manager?
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Yeees!
I definitely think I'm on to something here.
Rubber Duck for Manager!
Surprised Jose has not called a press conference dropping hints he would like the job.
Eric Cantona.
"Some people on here need to have a word with themselves. If SAF feels an inanimate object as manager is best for our club, then who are we to question him? After all he's done for us, you people never learn."
I dont think it would really be the worst thing to have a manager come in for a couple of seasons if that person was going to keep us competitive in europe and continue to win titles. If Heynckes could do thatI'd be all for it whether he's old and short term or not. Perhaps even in those few years Moyes could have been at a club having a crack at the champions league and competing as well, meaning that after a few years he's ready to come in if we want him
Does anyone think Big Sam is ready for a big club?
No he said that Pulis is the longest serving manager behind Wenger/Moyes/Ferguson.
Comic relief
No, I would prefer Moyes to big Sam.
Shall we go through the list of smaller clubs who have won trophies since Moyes has managed Everton?
The problem here is why should we risk it all on someone who may or may not have the ability to step up and make the transition when there are candidates available who HAVE ALREADY stepped up and made the transition?
Anything can happen in cup competitions and winning them requires a great amount of luck. Yes Portsmouth won the FA cup a few years ago but they played Cardiff in the final, when Everton got to the final they faced league winners Chelsea.
Let's not forget that Moyes led Everton to Champions League football, finishing above the European champions in the league, and the reason they didn't get through the qualifying stage was the fact they had to play Villareal, who that year only failed to make the final after Riquelme of all people missed a late penalty against Arsenal. Everton also had a perfectly good goal ruled out by the normally impeccable Collina to take the tie into extra time, this was done with a squad that included the likes of Tony Hibbert, Marcus Bent and Duncan Ferguson.
He may be a gamble but let's not blame him for things which are out of his control i.e. lack of funds and a paper thin squad.
Hard to say as I don't know who is available, but off the top of my head I'd say Klopp, Wenger and Ancellotti would be far safer bets than Moyes. All three have won domestic titles (Wenger and Ancellotti more than once) and have CL experience. Klopp hasn't quite done enough to not be a risk but he'd still be less of a risk than Moyes. My point isn't so much about the candidates though as it is about what we're looking for from the candidates. A history of success should be the first thing we look for, so there are many candidates who are less risky than Moyes.
Heynckes has had a lot of managerial jobs when he hasn't done well. At 68, in a new country, it could be very hard for him.
I don't think your assesment of Klopp is correct.
You certainly can't compare him with Mourinho in those aspects.
Klopp has a net spend of 8 million since he took over at Borussia Dortmund and look what a force they've become under him, not to mention a lot of it came down to his ability to get the best out of his youth players, and he's been there for a while, and everybody from the fans to the players love him, certainly no controversy or "short-term thinking" there.
Moyes led Everton to the brink of Champions League football, the qualifiers are strictly speaking not official CL. The point remains that even if we can't get Jose, there are plenty of more experienced managers who have won things and led teams in Europe for many seasons who'd be less of a risk than Moyes.
Moyes now at 1/10, was at 1/25 15 minutes ago. Mourinho also now at 5/1 instead of 6/1.
1/12 now
Yes it'd be a challenge. Its more of a challenge for Moyes
What about Carlo Ancelotti?
He could be the surprise choice.
He could be the surprise choice.
Tbh, Moyes, Morinho, Klopp; everyone really just feel like shit replacements.
Some less shit than others.
Surprised he isn't mentioned more. A serial winner who won't drag the club into disrepute, obtainable and experienced.
With Mourinho and Klopp you'd expect to still be contenders in europe and have a great chance in the league.
With Moyes... You hope he doesnt wreck everything. No, but seriously you'd have to be thinking longer term and expecting the old "team in transition" lines for a couple of years while he gets the experience and mentality to take charge of a top side challenging on all fronts
With Moyes... You hope he doesnt wreck everything. No, but seriously you'd have to be thinking longer term and expecting the old "team in transition" lines for a couple of years while he gets the experience and mentality to take charge of a top side challenging on all fronts
Probably.
But on the other side, this is the dream job for Moyes and he will give everything to succeed on it. For Heynckes, who despite having won a lot of trophies, it could have easily been just another fat contract. Also there could be the other problems that is a different style of game and at 68 I doubt that he could have adapted.
No doubt that Heynckes is a better manager than Moyes, but if it was at those two, I would have gone for Moyes. Mourinho, Klopp and Ancelotti on the other side is another story.
If it really is Moyes, finishing in the top 3 is all I hope for next season.
To be fair, it would take a monumental feck-up to finish anywhere below third next season considering how weak the other competitors are. I don't know if Moyes is capable of that kind of shiteness, but we don't know!
Shteve McClaren might be worth a punt. Plus his firm understanding of the Dutch culture and dialect can only be good for the likes of RVP and more importantly to help Buttner progress as a player.
Man City and Chelsea will both be much better next season, we could easily finish third even if things go okay. If he has a rough first season? Christ knows.
In what world is Klopp a coach, who looks for instant success and is gone quickly? He coached a total of two teams in his whole career. He was seven years in Mainz, even though he had several offers by stronger clubs over the years, and is in his 5th year at Dortmund. If he wanted instant success, more glory and money, he would be gone already and coach either Bayern Munich or Chelsea (there were multiple reports about offers by both clubs).
If anything, he is the opposite of a glory hunter, which made him unavailable as SAF´s potential successor in the first place. He is extremely loyal to Dortmund and won´t leave the club before 2016, no matter what offer will come.
To answer the question of the thread. My preference is the one, who will be next coach (is Moyes confirmed by now?).
My reason for that is simple.
He will be Sir Alex Ferguson´s choice. The man devoted over two decades of his life for this club. His retirement was in the air for years now, but he continued nontheless. Does anyone on here truly think, that he would step back, if he would not be 100% sure, that he will leave the club in capable hands? This is his one last big decision and he knows the best, what qualities are needed to manage the club.
If it is Moyes, then I will give him the chance to proof SAF right.
Yeah, I meant Arsenal and Spurs. Because it's quite possible we finish below Chelsea and City under Moyes.
Has anyone got the number for those scientists who made Dolly the sheep?
My biggest worry is I can't imagine any top top player being attracted to playing under Moyes, and given the uncertainty of the club post-Sir Alex anyway, it might be difficult to really strengthen the squad. Mourinho is the only manager I think that wouldn't apply to. Moyes will need to build up that respect and attraction to players. Next season will be interesting.
People who want Mourinho need to realise he will first cost a bomb to break his contract with Madrid unless he resigns and second command big wages. Do people want to spend all our transfer allowance on a manager and have nothing left to improve the squad? City, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid can afford to throw silly money around, we cannot. Plus Mourinho will want to spend alot and has made some expensive failures of signings. SAF has on most (I say most) occasions tried to be prudent and spend wisely.
Klupp will cost a bit as well however I'm not really sure about his transfer policy. If SAF has recommended Moyes then that will carry some clout with the board and he is out of contract to boot. He is inexperienced with major players and in Europe however SAF seems to rate him highly and thinks he can be a success and I imagine he will not want his hard work and solid foundations to come to nothing.
Klupp will cost a bit as well however I'm not really sure about his transfer policy. If SAF has recommended Moyes then that will carry some clout with the board and he is out of contract to boot. He is inexperienced with major players and in Europe however SAF seems to rate him highly and thinks he can be a success and I imagine he will not want his hard work and solid foundations to come to nothing.
The top players would be attracted to play in one of the biggest clubs in the world and having great wages.
Did Real Players dreamt to play under Pellegrini, Luxemburgo, Queirroz or Schuster? Still they went there, because Madrid is a big club and the wages were good. Same would be here. Of course that it won't be entirely the same as under SAF, but as long as we pay good money and remain competitive, we will attract big name players.
What's wrong with klopp's transfer policy? He's build one of European best sides with little to spend. And his team plays fantastic football. And he's got his team well drilled to playing a specific system to the tee. These are all qualities to really admire in a manager. And I reckon players would be very keen to play under such a a manager.
Whats so interesting about moyes in comparison? His teams are organised smd get stuck in. That's pretty much all I can muster. Sure, he keeps everyone head above he water but is he unique or "special" enough for possibly the biggest job in the game. I don't think so.
We should be going for the best. Moyes is just alright.
What I meant was I don't have any knowledge of his transfer policy as I know little about him and have only really seen Dortmund in the CL. I am not criticisting Klupp or comparing him with Moyes, I am just pointing out the financial implications for the club when going for someone like Mourinho. Klupp may be a better option and may cost a bit less however I would be very surprised if the board appoint him.
Good point, another thing that's worth mentioning is in Mourinho's three years at Madrid in 6 attempts at the bigger competitions (La Liga and CL) his record is 1/6. He failed to take Real to the CL Final, and in the two years they didnt win the league, Barcelona cruised to the title and this is him managing Real Madrid, the biggest club in the world, unlimited budget and with better players at his disposal than he'd have here.
I think if people are going to start running down Moyes and his record, maybe we should put Jose under some scrutiny too.
If Jose comes here and wins one league title in 3 years, will the fans be satisfied?
Why do we care about the cost of a new manager? We signed berbatov for 30 million. We spent 7 million of Bebe! And a manager is much more important than a player anyway.