Yohan Cabaye

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Ringo 07 said:
I think you will be proved wrong as do you think Fergie is going to Leave Carrick on the bench for most of next season? I seriously doubt it...We may sign Cabaye as perhaps Fergie wants more experience beside Carrick while using Cleverley sporadically until he matures a little more and then of course Fergie will have Jones and Fletcher to play DM in tough away games....Theres just now way Fergie will also sign Strootman if he goes for Cabaye and you could argue a lack of a playmaker in midfield this year was a bigger hindrance to us in the biggest games than not have a defensive midfielder!
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This is probably our biggest problem this season, Carrick is both the best midfield playmaker we have and the best defensive(except when Jones done those marking jobs). Sadly he couldn't be in both places at once. When he gets forward to help attack, the defence is vulnerable, but when he stays back, our attack lacked options, or build up.

With Cabaye he could stay back more, and let him do the playmaking, or vice versa.

Of course that's if we're really in for Cabaye, which is a pretty big if.
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
It's a lot for Cabaye.
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I don't think anyone would bat an eye lid at 15mil for someone of his experience and ability so 20 isn't exactly over the top.

He'd make a big difference here IMO.
 
I think 20m is a lot for Cabaye as well. For me, we could get better for a similar price or slightly higher.

Depends what Fergie's strategy is as I think Scholes will retire and I do think he will bring in a central midfielder. I don't think he is going to bring in two established first teamers so the quality of the one additional player is very important. For me, Cabaye is not as good as Carrick currently but better than Cleverley. Cleverley is obviously young enough to continue to develop, whereas Cayabe is slightly older than I realised at 27.

I could live with Carrick, Cabaye, Cleverley, Giggs, Jones and one of Fletcher or Anderson as our options next season but think we could do better.
 
This is not a signing that would drain my ball batter but it would be a decent squad addition.
 
Cabaye has had some magical moments for Newcastle. He is capable producing the sublime and unexpected and has a touch of class. Can he do it consistently if he makes the step up to a top club? With better players around him, who knows?

I'd be quite happy to take a punt on him.
 
£20 million is definitely a bit over the top, but he's one of the better central midfielders in the league. He's not a defensive midfielder nor a brilliant playmaker, but hes in between. He's deceptively solid defensively a bit like Carrick and he can pick out a really nice pass, but with 78% pass accuracy this season its an area that could still see a lot of improvement. At 27 I guess its now or never but again £20 million is a lot for him at his age.

What would seem a bit strange is why we didnt go for him last year when Scholes was retired or something.
 
If we want him then 20 million is around the minimum we will have to pay probably.
 
It's a lot of money considering he hasn't been quite as good this season as last year. But still- he's a pretty good player, very important to Newcastle, France international and we always end up overpaying so sounds about right.

I'd take him no bother but highly cynical just now as to the validity of this.
 
I think it's inevitable the next midfielder we buy will come from the Premier League and Cabaye's surely the best of the lot. Spurs won't be selling either Sandro or Dembele, Everton are going to want more than £20m for Fellaini and there's no-one else you could guarantee would make the next step up. Someone like McCarthy will need to go to a team fighting for the Europa League places first.
 
Brwned said:
I think it's inevitable the next midfielder we buy will come from the Premier League and Cabaye's surely the best of the lot. Spurs won't be selling either Sandro or Dembele, Everton are going to want more than £20m for Fellaini and there's no-one else you could guarantee would make the next step up. Someone like McCarthy will need to go to a team fighting for the Europa League places first.
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Why is it inevitable?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Namely?
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Yes, not so easy!

I like cabaye, he's the type of player that makes a side tick. Newcastle looked bereft of ideas when he was injured, started lumping it up to the forwards rather than letting cabaye dictate play.

I'm sure there are better players out there that we could get but struggling to think who they might be. He won't be cheap though.
 
Moutinho is a fine footballer, but I just have doubts if he is really combative enough to play alongside Carrick or Cleverley. Have a feeling he would be a mite too similar to Kagawa.
 
Moutinho will probably cost more if not the same, and be a bigger a risk. Cabaye has shown ability to adapt to the league, while Moutinho's size hasn't been tested yet.

Don't see how he is more rounded than Cabaye either. Cabaye can tackle as well and be really combative when required.
 
Against Spain Moutinho made 7 interceptions and 3 tackles and I thought he was Portugal's best defensive player in the game. Compare that to Modric's 0 tackles and 2 interceptions v Spain in the group stages or Cabaye's 3 tackles and 4 interceptions in the World Cup qualifiers and he's looking good on that front. I actually think a player like Moutinho could take us up another level in our pressing game as that sort of midfielder is pretty much the only thing we're lacking. We've got the energetic presence of Cleverley but he doesn't have the defensive nous or the stamina to lead the pressing game, whereas Moutinho did exactly that against Spain for 120 minutes.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Plus Cabaye can score a mean freekick.
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Yep, Cabaye is more of a goal threat.

Brwned said:
Against Spain Moutinho made 7 interceptions and 3 tackles and I thought he was Portugal's best defensive player in the game. Compare that to Modric's 0 tackles and 2 interceptions v Spain in the group stages or Cabaye's 3 tackles and 4 interceptions in the World Cup qualifiers and he's looking good on that front. I actually think a player like Moutinho could take us up another level in our pressing game as that sort of midfielder is pretty much the only thing we're lacking. We've got the energetic presence of Cleverley but he doesn't have the defensive nous or the stamina to lead the pressing game, whereas Moutinho did exactly that against Spain for 120 minutes.
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Completely different games, and different contexts. Won't judge much based on that tbh.

I rate them both on par with each other tbh, but Cabaye is proven in this league while for the same or higher price Moutinho will be a bigger risk. He's not still played outside of Portugal remember and teams have generally not taken a risk on him due to his size.

He can be combative too, but whether he can be the same in a more physical league? Probably he can, but it's still to be tested. His Size disadvantage could work against him like Kagawa too.
 
Cevno said:
Yep, Cabaye is more of a goal threat.

Completely different games, and different contexts. Won't judge much based on that tbh.

I rate them both on par with each other tbh, but Cabaye is proven in this league while for the same or higher price Moutinho will be a bigger risk. He's not still played outside of Portugal remember and teams have generally not taken a risk on him due to his size.

He can be combative too, but whether he can be the same in a more physical league? Probably he can, but it's still to be tested. His Size disadvantage could work against him like Kagawa too.
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All three games had Spain with 64% possession or more and had the opposition chasing after them non-stop as always so I think it's a reasonable comparison to be honest. I'm not saying Moutinho is better defensively than Cabaye, I'm not sure he is, but I don't get the comparisons to Kagawa. He looked combative to me. It's not like that game was an anomaly anyway. Only three players made more interceptions in the Euro's and they were all centre backs. Moutinho gets around the pitch for sure. I actually think this side of his game's being overlooked simply because he's been known as a playmaker since his teens.

Why do you think teams haven't bought him due to his size? It didn't put Spurs or Madrid off spending big on Modric and it seemed like Spurs would have happily bought him last summer if he was available at an affordable price. I do think Sir Alex would go for Cabaye over Moutinho because he's the safer option but I don't think that would be because of size or defensive contribution. We just like PL-proven midfielders.

Neil Webb (Nottingham Forest, 1989)
Paul Ince (West Ham, 1989)

Roy Keane (Nottingham Forest, 1993)

Verón (Lazio, 2001)
Djemba-Djemba (Nantes, 2003)
Kléberson (Atlético Paranaense, 2003)
Miller (Celtic, 2004)
Carrick (Tottenham, 2006)
Hargreaves (Bayern, 2007)
Anderson (Porto, 2007)

Powell (Crewe, 2012)

That's pretty much every first-team midfielder we've signed under Sir Alex. Then there's the likes of Milne, Phelan and Choccy who he converted into midfielders - all from British teams. It goes without saying that Sir Alex feels safer going for British midfielders.
 
You could probably do the same with most other positions.

It's true that after Veron, SAF might steer clear of even very good continental midfielders though.
 
Since when was Cabaye British or am i missing something? He's "continental" alright or do people find it more exciting to sign someone from Portugal/France directly?
 
I dont think anyone said Cabaye is British. I think they are referring to the fact that he plays for an English side and hence he is premier league proven.
 
Would be happy if we signed Cabaye he's a very good player. I think 20m would be decent value to be honest.
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
20m is a lot, but he's a very good player. He can really pass, can hit one, and he's a bit of a prick. Would improve us no end. Almost certainly nonsense though.
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:lol: I love how him being 'a bit of a prick' is a positive. I agree btw, one of your CM's should have an edge.

Brwned said:
I think it's inevitable the next midfielder we buy will come from the Premier League and Cabaye's surely the best of the lot. Spurs won't be selling either Sandro or Dembele, Everton are going to want more than £20m for Fellaini and there's no-one else you could guarantee would make the next step up. Someone like McCarthy will need to go to a team fighting for the Europa League places first.
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Agreed. I would love to see us take a punt on McCarthy who I think can go on to be really really great. I've seen a lot of games where he looks head and shoulders the best player on their side, but other games when he looks vulnerable. Age and experience should sort that, but he's certainly more of a risk than Cabaye.

Brwned said:
Neil Webb (Nottingham Forest, 1989)
Paul Ince (West Ham, 1989)

Roy Keane (Nottingham Forest, 1993)

Verón (Lazio, 2001)
Djemba-Djemba (Nantes, 2003)
Kléberson (Atlético Paranaense, 2003)
Miller (Celtic, 2004)
Carrick (Tottenham, 2006)
Hargreaves (Bayern, 2007)
Anderson (Porto, 2007)

Powell (Crewe, 2012)

That's pretty much every first-team midfielder we've signed under Sir Alex. Then there's the likes of Milne, Phelan and Choccy who he converted into midfielders - all from British teams. It goes without saying that Sir Alex feels safer going for British midfielders.
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I think that paints a pretty clear picture that the CM's bought from the PM have had a much bigger and better impact for us than their continental/foreign colleagues.
 
RDCR07 said:
I dont think anyone said Cabaye is British. I think they are referring to the fact that he plays for an English side and hence he is premier league proven.
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Yeah fair enough, if that's what the post above meant and he is as "continental" as anyone.

Just get the feeling sometimes that people prefer buying outside the league due to excitement value of the transfer than buying someone who they see week in week out in the league anyway.
 
Cevno said:
Yeah fair enough, if that's what the post above meant and he is as "continental" as anyone.

Just get the feeling sometimes that people prefer buying outside the league due to excitement value of the transfer than buying someone who they see week in week out in the league anyway.
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Yes, I want us to sign Moutinho because Cabaye's not continental enough for me. Weirdo.
 
Brwned said:
All three games had Spain with 64% possession or more and had the opposition chasing after them non-stop as always so I think it's a reasonable comparison to be honest. I'm not saying Moutinho is better defensively than Cabaye, I'm not sure he is, but I don't get the comparisons to Kagawa. He looked combative to me. It's not like that game was an anomaly anyway. Only three players made more interceptions in the Euro's and they were all centre backs. Moutinho gets around the pitch for sure. I actually think this side of his game's being overlooked simply because he's been known as a playmaker since his teens.

Why do you think teams haven't bought him due to his size? It didn't put Spurs or Madrid off spending big on Modric and it seemed like Spurs would have happily bought him last summer if he was available at an affordable price. I do think Sir Alex would go for Cabaye over Moutinho because he's the safer option but I don't think that would be because of size or defensive contribution. We just like PL-proven midfielders.

Neil Webb (Nottingham Forest, 1989)
Paul Ince (West Ham, 1989)

Roy Keane (Nottingham Forest, 1993)

Verón (Lazio, 2001)
Djemba-Djemba (Nantes, 2003)
Kléberson (Atlético Paranaense, 2003)
Miller (Celtic, 2004)
Carrick (Tottenham, 2006)
Hargreaves (Bayern, 2007)
Anderson (Porto, 2007)

Powell (Crewe, 2012)

That's pretty much every first-team midfielder we've signed under Sir Alex. Then there's the likes of Milne, Phelan and Choccy who he converted into midfielders - all from British teams. It goes without saying that Sir Alex feels safer going for British midfielders.
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I never said that Moutinho struggles or is soft. He can be pretty feisty too from what i've seen and i rate him on Par with Cabaye overall but the comparison based on 1 game in different contexts wasn't fair. I am sure you can pick games against another team and show something completely different.

I personally am not too worried about Moutinho's size but no one hasn't taken a punt on him so far in his career as earlier he was considered a bit small. He has improved that side of his game now and makes up for it by his workrate and positioning improving.

And as for the second part if there are 2 people rated equally or considered on par, then it obviously makes sense to buy someone who is PL proven then someone who will have to adapt after coming in. I'd be happy signing either Moutinho or Cabaye tbh.
 
Brwned said:
Yes, I want us to sign Moutinho because Cabaye's not continental enough for me. Weirdo.
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Did i say i was referring to you ? Apologies if it came across that way.

Was more a general point i have noticed. It's particularly even more pertinent when it comes to british players in the league. All are seen as average by default or Mid table players.

On the other hand when the club decides targets, i think it's the opposite that is preferred. I.e being proven in the league.
 
I'm a big fan of Cabaye and seems to be a player who is held back by the comparative lack of quality at Newcastle, as opposed to made to look good, if that makes sense.

I'm conscious he seems to be injured quite often though. What's his record actually like?
 
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