Yohan Cabaye

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Plan M said:
Not really. I would play him instead of Cleverley, Anderson and Fletcher any day of the week. So yeah, he'd be an excellent edition to the squad - if the money involved was reasonable of course.
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Which is exactly why the phrase is meaningless.

Fletcher's a homegrown player who cost nothing and proved himself to be a valuable member of the team until his illness got the better of him. His future at the club is completely up in the air. If he can get back to his best Cabaye will have to up his game considerably to keep him out of the team. If not, then there's dozens of players in the league who can take his place. feck it, I could probably contribute more than he can at the moment.

As for Anderson and Cleverley, their place in the squad is based around their potential. Cabaye may or may not be better than them right now but since when is that a good reason to sign him? Why not just sign Joey Barton? He'll be a lot cheaper, that's for sure.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Which is exactly why the phrase is meaningless.

Fletcher's a homegrown player who cost nothing and proved himself to be a valuable member of the team until his illness got the better of him. His future at the club is completely up in the air. If he can get back to his best Cabaye will have to up his game considerably to keep him out of the team. If not, then there's dozens of players in the league who can take his place. feck it, I could probably contribute more than he can at the moment.

As for Anderson and Cleverley, their place in the squad is based around their potential. Cabaye may or may not be better than them right now but since when is that a good reason to sign him? Why not just sign Joey Barton? He'll be a lot cheaper, that's for sure.
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So you reckon Cabaye won't improve? Strange seeing as he's only two years older than Anderson and has improved a lot over the last two years which has got him a place in the starting XI of France.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:confused: Who said Carrick was man of the match? He was more influential than Cabaye though. By a margin.

Games aren't always won and lost in central midfield. Despite what you'd think from most post-match threads on here these last few years. Tiote played really really well against us but he was almost playing like a third centre back. All Newcastle did once they got the ball was hoof it up to Ba and watch him bully poor Phil Jones. They never really tried to create anything through central midfield.

As for Cabaye, he didn't really do very much at all.
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He was more influential than a player who scored a goal to make it 2-0? We barely created anything in that game, I remember one good chance that came down the wing missed by Hernandez and that's about it.
 
Sarni said:
So you reckon Cabaye won't improve? Strange seeing as he's only two years older than Anderson and has improved a lot over the last two years which has got him a place in the starting XI of France.
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Eh? He might well improve.

I think Anderson and Cleverley have more potential though. It's not a difficult distinction to make and it's not hard to see why I might have that opinion, surely?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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As for Anderson and Cleverley, their place in the squad is based around their potential. Cabaye may or may not be better than them right now but since when is that a good reason to sign him? Why not just sign Joey Barton? He'll be a lot cheaper, that's for sure.
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Because he is obviously worse than most of those we have and Cabaye is 3 times the player he is. In case you never noticed...
 
Sarni said:
He was more influential than a player who scored a goal to make it 2-0? We barely created anything in that game, I remember one good chance that came down the wing missed by Hernandez and that's about it.
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Since when is Carrick role supposed to be creating chances for us?

And yes, I think scoring a goal from a free-kick is completely irrelevant when it comes to judging how much of an influence any individual player has had on the midfield battle.
 
After the Euro's and some of you guys actually watch Cabaye properly.. We will have changed opinions on this forum.

I can't take half of you seriously especially when comparing him to game against us. Some of you don't even know who was in our midfield let alone how Cabaye played. (Scholes was retired you numpties.)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Influential in ensuring that we had more of the ball than Newcastle.

60%, to be precise.

Obviously, all this possession won't mean much when our front four don't do anything useful with the ball and our central defenders let themselves get bullied every time Newcastle's strikers get onto a big hoof out of defence. That's got feck all to do with what's happening in central midfield though.
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So Cabaye was largely useless against us (your stats say he didn't tackle, pass or assist in any significant manner) but despite presumably carrying an ineffectual Cabaye, we were still completely outplayed? Christ, we must have been worse than I'd thought
 
SecondFig said:
So Cabaye was largely useless against us (your stats say he didn't tackle, pass or assist in any significant manner) but despite presumably carrying an ineffectual Cabaye, we were still completely outplayed? Christ, we must have been worse than I'd thought
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Don't know how bad you thought we were but we were definitely shite.

Particularly up front and in defence.

Newcastle, on the other hand, defended superbly (especially their back four plus Tiote) and their strikers caused us all sorts of problems.

All of which is compatible with both the stats and the point I was making about Cabaye.
 
roseguy64 said:
Jonas is a winger and they've released Guthrie.
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He is primarily but Jonas has also been used in the middle, with Ba going to the left. Did you not watch the City game? He played in the centre then, amongst others.
 
The stats against us are just for one game, so don't prove anything.

He didn't make a tackle against us, but over the season he had the 6th best tackles per game, which considering he is a creative player is brilliant. That is more than anyone at United including Carrick and the likes of Song, Fellaini, Tiite, Ramires etc.
 
I tend to only see highlights of players that play for teams other than MUFC so maybe I got the wrong impression of him from that one game.

Didn't think he was all that against l'Arse or City, mind you. They're probably the only other Newcastle games I watched for 90 minutes.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Don't know how bad you thought we were but we were definitely shite.
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Admittedly that's all too true.

Pogue Mahone said:
Particularly up front and in defence.

Newcastle, on the other hand, defended superbly (especially their back four plus Tiote) and their strikers caused us all sorts of problems.

All of which is compatible with both the stats and the point I was making about Cabaye.
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I do take your point, and I'd agree in so far as it was hardly one of his best games, I just think you're dismissing his value in that game too lightly, and then using that game to dismiss his entire season - when he was largely fantastic for Newcastle.
 
I really don't understand the logic of "I don't want this player even though he would improve by far the weakest the position in our squad that has been a problem for years".

Frankly we need to throw stuff like Andersons potential and Fletcher somehow managing to return to his best out the window at this stage and just buy some fecking midfielders to sort it out. Cabaye wouldn't be my first choice by any means but if it's between signing him and leaving the midfield as it currently is, I'd happily sign him.
 
If we give up on Anderson then it stands to reason we should aspire to replace him with someone who has the potential to be the player we once all thought he would become (and some still think he might)

As for Fletcher, he has nothing left to prove other than his fitness. It's up to Fergie to decide if/when we should call it a day. Meanwhile, any potential signing should be compared to the Fletcher of 2008-2010, not the shadow of himself we saw last season.

I don't think a strategy of "just signing some fecking midfielders" is particularly well thought out tbh. I'm sure Fergie will be making sure he only targets the very best. Same as with any new signing in any other position.
 
Cina said:
I really don't understand the logic of "I don't want this player even though he would improve by far the weakest the position in our squad that has been a problem for years".

Frankly we need to throw stuff like Andersons potential and Fletcher somehow managing to return to his best out the window at this stage and just buy some fecking midfielders to sort it out. Cabaye wouldn't be my first choice by any means but if it's between signing him and leaving the midfield as it currently is, I'd happily sign him.
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I agree, he's a decent player with the potential to be even better and isn't riddled with injuries or illness, which means we'll at least have another fully functioning Prem proven CM and wont need to play Park in midfield or overuse a 38 year old Scholes.
 
He played his best in the position behind the striker, with Tiote and Jonas doing the defensive work for him. We have just signed Kagawa exactly for that position. Don't need him.
 
Brwned said:
The number of passes tells you how many times they got on the ball, quite simply. That's all it needs to tell you in this case. Safe to assume that a midfielder who got on the ball half as many times as his keeper wasn't hugely influential, at least on the ball.
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What do you conclude from that though Brwned? The bottom line was we didn't do anything with our possession, we had no cutting edge. Newcastle simply watched us pass the ball around in front of them and then hit us on the counter.

I don't really know what the point of even bringing up how much possession we had, in relation to their midfield. It proves nothing. In some games you can have less possession than an opponent and win comfortably, or on another day lose convincingly.

It doesn't really tell us anything apart from the fact despite having far superior possession, we were unable to make it count for anything. That surely says as much about our midfielders on the day, as it does about Newcastles.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If we give up on Anderson then it stands to reason we should aspire to replace him with someone who has the potential to be the player we once all thought he would become (and some still think he might)

As for Fletcher, he has nothing left to prove other than his fitness. It's up to Fergie to decide if/when we should call it a day. Meanwhile, any potential signing should be compared to the Fletcher of 2008-2010, not the shadow of himself we saw last season.

I don't think a strategy of "just signing some fecking midfielders" is particularly well thought out tbh. I'm sure Fergie will be making sure he only targets the very best. Same as with any new signing in any other position.
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Well that's not really what I was saying, obviously they should be midfielders who would actually improve our team.

I don't agree with going and buying another Anderson at this stage, it's all well and good buying talented youth like we've done in the past with Jones, Smalling and Nani when we're already well stocked in those positions but that isn't the case with our midfield. And when we bought Anderson we also bought Hargreaves.

Put it this way, seeing as you're one of Carrick's biggest fans. When we bought him there was lots of raised eyebrows, he was around the same age as Cabaye and didn't exactly look special, but he hasn't done half bad has he? Fergie bought him when our midfield was arguably even weaker than it is now and it paid off. I'd much rather we do something like that again instead of pumping out 20m+ on a talented youngster who may prove to be very unreliable.
 
DFreshKing said:
That makes no sense.

A keeper getting the ball a lot has no relevance to whether a midfielder had a good game or not.

The idea that number of passes tells you all you need to know is bizarre.

Cabaye looked a very good player in this game and in many others last season.

He is also an important player in the France team.

Lets see how he does against the giants of Gerrard et al next week but I do think he is a talented player.
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The keeper getting the ball the second most of any player in the Newcastle team illustrates what we already knew, but seemingly some had forgotten - they played long ball football and skipped out the midfield. Ergo, that allied with the fact that Cabaye barely touched the ball (17 players had more touches than him, never mind passes) tells you all you need to know about how much Cabaye 'dominated' our midfield.

I said nothing about his all-round performance in the game or how good he is, so if you mistook me saying 'that's all you need to know' in reference to either of those then that's my fault for poorly phrasing it, but I didn't mean it in that way. Nor was I trying to suggest we played well, we were terrible, no two ways about it. I do think he's a good player and I said as much last year and even 3 years ago, but I'm still not convinced he's quite good enough to be a key player for one of the elite clubs. Certainly good enough as a squad player.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-plan-20m-swoop-1830312


Manchester United are planning a summer swoop for £20million Toon star Yohan Cabaye.

The Old Trafford outfit are *weighing up a bid for the French midfield star, 27, as they look to find a *successor to Paul Scholes.

And that was one of the reasons why Sir Alex Ferguson had his most *trusted scout – brother *Martin – at St James’ Park for the *Magpies’ *Europa League clash with Benfica on *Thursday.

Martin Ferguson also ran the rule over Benfica *defender Ezequiel *Garay and midfielder *Nicolas Gaitan in their 4-2 *aggregate Euro win over the Toon.

Meanwhile, Portuguese winger Nani is set for a summer switch to cash-rich Paris St Germain.
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Good technique, not afraid to get stuck in and scores goals, would complement Carrick perfectly imo
 
And is used to playing in a 4-4-2 which is important
 
More likely he was there to see someone from Benfica tbh.

He would be a good signing anyway. Will fit in straight away too with Carrick.
 
I'd love for us to bring him in but simply having a scout at that game isn't proof of anything.
 
Jiggs'Hamstring said:
20m is a lot, but he's a very good player. He can really pass, can hit one, and he's a bit of a prick. Would improve us no end. Almost certainly nonsense though.
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It really isn't that much these days.
 
Quinton Fortune said:
IMO we'll be buying two CMs so I'm not too sure it matters!
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I think you will be proved wrong as do you think Fergie is going to Leave Carrick on the bench for most of next season? I seriously doubt it...We may sign Cabaye as perhaps Fergie wants more experience beside Carrick while using Cleverley sporadically until he matures a little more and then of course Fergie will have Jones and Fletcher to play DM in tough away games....Theres just now way Fergie will also sign Strootman if he goes for Cabaye and you could argue a lack of a playmaker in midfield this year was a bigger hindrance to us in the biggest games than not have a defensive midfielder!
 
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