Yohan Cabaye

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Cabaye is a talented player for sure, but he is rather lightweight; which isn't a issue per se. But, it would become an issue taken in conjunction with the lack of bite from Cleverley, Kagawa et al.

His purchase may aggravate a problem, which his acquisition, is meant to palliate.
 
DFreshKing said:
Yeah and of course that's shit compared to 40 sideways passes.

Solid defensive work and a sweet free kick goal is a very good return from your CM in any game.
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Running round like a headless chicken getting stuck in is great when you play for Newcastle and you're playing at home to the champions when you play for the champions you need more than that, you need the ability to show for the ball time and time and time again and use the possession well. If we wanted someone who lets the game pass him by but on the off chance can crack one in from 20 yards with one of his few touches we'd have kept Gibson
 
charlenefan said:
Running round like a headless chicken getting stuck in is great when you play for Newcastle and you're playing at home to the champions when you play for the champions you need more than that, you need the ability to show for the ball time and time and time again and use the possession well. If we wanted someone who lets the game pass him by but on the off chance can crack one in from 20 yards with one of his few touches we'd have kept Gibson
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I don't see him in the same vein as Gibson, you do fair enough.

If you think our midfield has been doing that then maybe we don't need anyone.
 
So he scored a decent goal against us, but thats about it. Newcastlewill try to dry bum us over the fee if we are interested. I hope we are not.
 
Stookie said:
So he scored a decent goal against us, but thats about it. Newcastlewill try to dry bum us over the fee if we are interested. I hope we are not.
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Yep that is entire career contribution.

Exactly why he has a winners medal in the french league, a solid first season in premier league and is a full international for France.

Do you watch any football outside of our games?
 
Good player but I don't think we should sign him. He's at his best when he's the most advanced in a midfield three, but we don't really tend to play that way.

He'd offer a slight improvement to what we already have, arguably, but like I said we really need to be looking for a world class midfielder who is going to completely up the level of our midfield. As much as I rate Cabaye and think he's a good player, he's not that good.
 
I'd definitely take him at United. Obviously great on the ball but he's also got a bit of bite to him as well, just doesn't stand out next to Tiote but he is a good tackler.

He would be a lot more than just a squad player, at the moment only Carrick is at a similar level, so he would get plenty of games. Comfortable playing 4-4-2 as well, and shouldn't be too expensive. Makes sense.
 
If we could get him for less than 15m it'd be a good move imo from a value perspective. More than that and you'd hope we'd be after m'vila.
 
Good player but will be hugely overpriced after the season Newcastle have just had.
 
Ayee true.

He's been pretty much a permanent fixture in the starting 11 and one of their most important players, so it will take a large fee to pursuade them to sell.

Also, it's not as if they have a well stocked squad, so they would need to find an adequate replacement. They obviously have Tiote, but beyond that Guthrie, Perch and Jonas are their main replacements, who are all a step down, though Guthrie looks alright tbf. More importantly though none of them offers the creativity that Cabaye does, which is something Newcastle would need to replace were he sold.
 
There is a pretty good chance this is just to get a better deal after a successful first season...
 
Why aye Cabaye will be very expensive to buy and probably be better off looking elsewhere
 
Aside from his goals which tended to be great, I was a little underwhelmed by him this season given all the talk about him. Having said that, statistically there might be a few shocks

The first isnt such a nice one. He was Newcastle's 10th most accurate passer at only 80%. Of course by now we all know that defenders tend to be at the top of these lists but Tiote was above him too. Cabaye did make the most key passes though, 1.6 per match, averaging 42.7 passes per match which was 2nd to Tiote.

But here's the real surprise.

Cabaye made the most tackles of any Newcastle player last season averaging 3.4 per match and in front of Tiote's 2.8 per match. He also made slightly more interceptions and less fouls.

I would say part of me being underwhelmed by him was me concentrating on what he was doing going forward and not realising how solid defensively his contribution was.

He averaged an accurate throughball 0.2 times per match, I guess thats just not his style of play. But for anyone wondering about what kind of work he would do defensively, the answer is a lot
 
Falls into the catergory of "better than what we've got, but not as good as what we should be aiming for". It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we signed Cabaye but it seems a needless signing. We have squad depth already, we need a top quality CM who can start 40+ games in the season - Cabaye would just be another to rotate with Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Cleverley.
 
Walrus said:
Falls into the catergory of "better than what we've got, but not as good as what we should be aiming for". It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we signed Cabaye but it seems a needless signing. We have squad depth already, we need a top quality CM who can start 40+ games in the season - Cabaye would just be another to rotate with Scholes, Giggs, Anderson and Cleverley.
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Yep, good player but nothing special. Add to that the price Newcastle would want and it wouldnt make much sense.
 
Yeaah he's better than any of those players currently.

If you offered Newcastle Anderson for Cabaye there isn't a chance they'd take it, IMO.

Giggs shouldn't play in a midfield two again.

Point being, he wouldn't just be a rotation option, with Carrick he would be first choice.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yep, good player but nothing special. Add to that the price Newcastle would want and it wouldnt make much sense.
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Agree. He's never stood out whenever I've watched Newcastle. The ones who have are Ba (pre Cisse), Cisse and Ben Arfa. Cabaye looks squad player material at a club like United.
 
Not sure why people are saying he's nothing great. He would be perfect in that deeper midfield role beside Carrick. On many occasions this season, he controlled Newcastle's midfield very well, and we need someone like that beside Carrick.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
He'd be the perfect midfield partner for a Carrick. I also expect he'd be cheaper than Modric.
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:lol: Good old Chief. Never lacks the courage of his convictions.

Not too sure about this Cabaye bloke myself. I remember when people were talking about how Newcastle bossed midfield against us his stats were actually pretty shit.

Just checked. He only made 22 passes in 90 minutes. Carrick and Giggs made 140 between them. Tiote made 43. In total, 7 other Newcastle players made more passes than Cabaye in that game. He didn't create a single chance for his team-mates and didn't make a single tackle. Javier Hernandez made more tackles than he did.

To his credit, he made a few interceptions. The same amount as Carrick. One more than Tiote.

Overall, though, he was actually fairly peripheral (one well struck dead ball aside) in a game that would rank as arguably Newcastle's best performance/result of the season. By all accounts he got better as the season went on and you have to take into account it was his debut season. I reckon he'll be a one season wonder though. Don't really see all that much quality in his game. Time will tell.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: Good old Chief. Never lacks the courage of his convictions.

Not too sure about this Cabaye bloke myself. I remember when people were talking about how Newcastle bossed midfield against us his stats were actually pretty shit.

Just checked. He only made 22 passes in 90 minutes. Carrick and Giggs made 140 between them. Tiote made 43. In total, 7 other Newcastle players made more passes than Cabaye in that game. He didn't create a single chance for his team-mates and didn't make a single tackle. Javier Hernandez made more tackles than he did.

To his credit, he made a few interceptions. The same amount as Carrick. One more than Tiote.

Overall, though, he was actually fairly peripheral (one well struck dead ball aside) in a game that would rank as arguably Newcastle's best performance/result of the season. By all accounts he got better as the season went on and you have to take into account it was his debut season. I reckon he'll be a one season wonder though. Don't really see all that much quality in his game. Time will tell.
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The other side of all of that is that stats never give you the full picture, and that regardless of what your stats say - Cabaye and Tiote dominated Giggs and Carrick
 
SecondFig said:
The other side of all of that is that stats never give you the full picture, and that regardless of what your stats say - Cabaye and Tiote dominated Giggs and Carrick
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Tiote's stats were excellent.

Anyway, that game wasn't won and lost in central midfield. Newcastle killed us with long balls from the back that bypassed the centre of the pitch. That and a really poor performance from our front four.

FWIW, I thought Tiote put in a hell of a defensive shift. He sat in front of the back four, occupied the same spaces that Rooney likes to exploit and was basically a massive pain in the arse. I'd have reservations about his ability on the ball but if we absolutely had to sign one Newcastle midfielder I reckon he'd be a much better bet than Cabaye.
 
I don't know why people are saying he's not all that based on the game against us, passing the ball around wasn't part of the Newcastle gameplan that night, but they pressed us high up the pitch for 90 minutes and never gave us a sniff. So what Carrick and Giggs passed all these times, how many of those passes actually counted for something? Stats are a bunch of bollocks half the time, we lost 3-0 and Newcastle thouroughly deserved it. Carrick passed 60 odd times though, he must be man of the match.

Cabaye would walk into our midfield.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
I don't rate him massively highly - not a great deal od Newcastle's play goes through him. I'd rather we looked elsewhere eecially give we are likely to get screwed by the fee
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That's because they like to play long ball's to Cisse and Ba. I'd like to see his stats for the French side because he must be doing something right to be a regular first teamer.
 
Orton said:
I don't know why people are saying he's not all that based on the game against us, passing the ball around wasn't part of the Newcastle gameplan that night, but they pressed us high up the pitch for 90 minutes and never gave us a sniff. So what Carrick and Scholes passed all these times, how many of those passes actually counted for something? Stats are a bunch of bollocks half the time, we lost 3-0 and Newcastle thouroughly deserved it. Carrick passed 60 odd times though, he must be man of the match.

Cabaye would walk into our midfield.
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:confused: Who said Carrick was man of the match? He was more influential than Cabaye though. By a margin.

Games aren't always won and lost in central midfield. Despite what you'd think from most post-match threads on here these last few years. Tiote played really really well against us but he was almost playing like a third centre back. All Newcastle did once they got the ball was hoof it up to Ba and watch him bully poor Phil Jones. They never really tried to create anything through central midfield.

As for Cabaye, he didn't really do very much at all.
 
Theon said:
Ayee true.

He's been pretty much a permanent fixture in the starting 11 and one of their most important players, so it will take a large fee to pursuade them to sell.

Also, it's not as if they have a well stocked squad, so they would need to find an adequate replacement. They obviously have Tiote, but beyond that Guthrie, Perch and Jonas are their main replacements, who are all a step down, though Guthrie looks alright tbf. More importantly though none of them offers the creativity that Cabaye does, which is something Newcastle would need to replace were he sold.
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Jonas is a winger and they've released Guthrie.
 
Ekeke said:
Aside from his goals which tended to be great, I was a little underwhelmed by him this season given all the talk about him. Having said that, statistically there might be a few shocks

The first isnt such a nice one. He was Newcastle's 10th most accurate passer at only 80%. Of course by now we all know that defenders tend to be at the top of these lists but Tiote was above him too. Cabaye did make the most key passes though, 1.6 per match, averaging 42.7 passes per match which was 2nd to Tiote.

But here's the real surprise.

Cabaye made the most tackles of any Newcastle player last season averaging 3.4 per match and in front of Tiote's 2.8 per match. He also made slightly more interceptions and less fouls.

I would say part of me being underwhelmed by him was me concentrating on what he was doing going forward and not realising how solid defensively his contribution was.
He averaged an accurate throughball 0.2 times per match, I guess thats just not his style of play. But for anyone wondering about what kind of work he would do defensively, the answer is a lot
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I think he's that type of player - does the simple things well, hardly ever puts a foot wrong. May not stand out like Tiote because he's less "all action" but he's a good all round player.

Newcastle were excellent last season - in no small part to a solid midfield.
 
Why are Cafites judging him from one game against Man Utd? He is a very good player and would currently walk into our team.
 
roseguy64 said:
Jonas is a winger and they've released Guthrie.
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Guthrie is an excellent player. Very technicaly gifted.

Guthrie, David Jones and Norwood would be the perfect midfield.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:confused: Who said Carrick was man of the match? He was more influential than Cabaye though. By a margin.

Games aren't always won and lost in central midfield. Despite what you'd think from most post-match threads on here these last few years. Tiote played really really well against us but he was almost playing like a third centre back. All Newcastle did once they got the ball was hoof it up to Ba and watch him bully poor Phil Jones. They never really tried to create anything through central midfield.

As for Cabaye, he didn't really do very much at all.
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Influential in what way? We lost the game 3-0, so he must've done something that stood out to be more influential than one of the matchwinners.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I reckon the words "would walk into our team" has to be one of the most meaningless phrases used on redcafe.
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Not really. I would play him instead of Cleverley, Anderson and Fletcher any day of the week. So yeah, he'd be an excellent edition to the squad - if the money involved was reasonable of course.
 
Orton said:
Influential in what way? We lost the game 3-0, so he must've done something that stood out to be more influential than one of the matchwinners.
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Influential in ensuring that we had more of the ball than Newcastle.

60%, to be precise.

Obviously, all this possession won't mean much when our front four don't do anything useful with the ball and our central defenders let themselves get bullied every time Newcastle's strikers get onto a big hoof out of defence. That's got feck all to do with what's happening in central midfield though.
 
If we're talking an obscene amount of money, like 25 million plus then i'd rather we don't go there. That's probably the price they would hold out for and rightly so.
 
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