Yohan Cabaye
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So, in your opinion a current England international is only worth £6m?
He wont be going to the world cup.
There are many English players not going to the world cup and their value is way above £6m.
The England manager is Woy Hodgson...
Not to belittle Cabaye, because he is a good player, but I feel we need higher quality players in centre midfield if we are to win the Premier and the Champions League. I would be worried that United where going to try to rebuild the club on the cheap rather then bring in players like Reus or Vidal.
I genuinely think you, and probably many others, are actually underestimating just how good a player Cabaye is. He's very classy and cultured as they would say.
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Psg have had a bid rejected according to the bbc. Matter of time.
Absolutely delighted we won't purchase him.
Absolutely delighted we won't purchase him.
Delighted we won't get Cabaye. Devastated that we haven't bought Barry or Huddlestone. The mind of Kevin.
Yeh, he is quite underrated on here. Too many just look at how big the name is and form their opinion on that. To anyone thinking we are rebuilding on the cheap. I suggest you google this guy called Juan Mata.
We need to be realistic, we are not going to turn into a world class team overnight. We need to make the right moves over the next year or two. Slowly shipping out the older/sub-par players and bringing in quality. Right now he would improve the team, in a top team he would be a squad player. But we are not a very good team. We are a team in transition. We are not signing a world class player this window. Even with Mata the leaky defence and the midfield that can't control games won't get us fourth. Cleverley is not United quality, Carrick is out and has struggled this season. Fletcher is just coming back. We need to sign some quality.
I don't want us signing anyone over 25, we need to spend big on a young, brilliant CM, or we'll just face the same problems again shortly down the road.
Where have I read this type of posts before? Ah, when we were power-swooping in on the likes of Valencia and Young. ''Oh shut up, he is underrated and look at how amazing he has been for (insert dross club x or y). He will surprise alot of muppets, they are just complaining because he's not a big name.''
Absolute ashtray filth is Cabaye. Do not desire to see him in our squad. Save money for the big ones.
I not saying he isn't a good player but do you really think he is as good as Reus, Vidal, or Fabregas?
Fabregas has absolutely no desire to join Manchester United. Vidal is a possibility in the summer. Cabaye could happen now, realistically.
I know Fabregas has no desire to join United, I was just using him as the type of midfielders we should be going for. The fear I have is if we bring in Cabaye for 20M, are we still going to bring in two top CM's in the summer. It could mean we will be stuck with Cabaye and Fellaini and to me while it is better than we have now, it's not good enough
We could look at it as having them 2 as very good squad players rather than turning to the likes of Cleverley and Giggs. Carrick is going downhill too, so arguably the midfield needs a complete overhaul. Never been a fan of Jones playing there either. Cabaye could possibly come in now and do a very good job for us. He offers much more than our current options. I'd take him. Moyes obviously knows that the area needs a lot of strengthening, and from what he's said the past few days that is exactly what will happen. Cabaye now, and another 1-2 in the summer with Giggs retiring and Cleverley moving on.
Who is this unicorn of a player I keep reading about on here?
They call him Paul, Paul Pogba.
Most people who are arguing against his signing aren't doing it because they don't think he's a big enough name, they're doing it because they know exactly what level he's at and want more. They don't want someone who is "better than what we have now", they want someone as good as what our rivals have now. It has nothing to do with underrating him.
Gundogan, Koke, Kroos. I'm sure there are others.
spot on.
Current England international isnt what it used to be especially if someone as average as Cleverley gets picked regularly. For Christ sake Bryan Robson used to play in his position theres a world of difference between Robson in his pomp and Cleverley now.
Cabaye is as good as several of the midfielders our rivals have now. Its all about underrating him. There was a big reaction on here when Matic was signed by Chelsea for a big fee for example. He's certainly not leagues ahead of Cabaye
Some of our best signings have been players who are not world class, players who have arrived when there is higher quality out there. It's not just about how good a player is. It's about finding a player that suits the team. Cabaye would do that, he is a natural centre midfielder that can perform a number of duties in the middle of the park.
He is an upgrade on Fellaini and Cleverley, no one will doubt that. In regards to ability on the ball, he is technically better than Fletcher, obviously Fletcher has other strong attributes but we do have to add to the squad regardless.
We still need to bring in a world class midfielder but that doesn't mean we shouldn't add other good footballers to the squad to improve on what we have.
He is an upgrade on Fellaini and Cleverley, no one will doubt that. In regards to ability on the ball, he is technically better than Fletcher, obviously Fletcher has other strong attributes but we do have to add to the squad regardless.
We still need to bring in a world class midfielder but that doesn't mean we shouldn't add other good footballers to the squad to improve on what we have.
Do want.
Also, feck this I wouldn't take him for £25 million bollocks, we're the big dogs of this transfer shit now. We spend what we want.
Under 20 million and you have my permission, Ed.
We need somebody to build our team around, not just somebody to fill the vacant CM job at United.
Pass. (and save the money. Next Summer, instead of spending another 25M on another experiment, we can buy the player we really want for 50M.)
Pass. (and save the money. Next Summer, instead of spending another 25M on another experiment, we can buy the player we really want for 50M.)
Isn't he 28 or something? Granted we signed RvP but he was the best player in the league. I don't think Cabaye warrants the investment and we should get by until a better target is available.
Our rivals are the likes of Bayern, Barca, Real, City etc. I don't see Cabaye getting near their teams, thus he isn't good enough.
Or, to put it another way, is Cabaye at roughly the same level in his position that Rooney, RvP, Mata or De Gea are in theirs? Of course not, thus he isn't good enough. That isn't underrating Cabaye, it's a realistic assessment of the gap in quality we need to make up.
He's not to the quality of van Persie or Mata, no. But how often do sides genuinely field eleven top bracket world class players?
He may be worth a little more but I think it says more about England than Cleverley that he's picked
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Thats why Cabaye wouldnt cost as much as Rooney, RVP, Mata or De Gea
But our rivals are domestic, we should have no plans for the champions league right now. First we have to prove we can get in a title race, then we can think about having central midfielders who could get into Bayern and Barcelona's teams. Because guess what, CMs who'd get into Bayern and Barcelona's teams want champions league football and a really good chance of winning their domestic league each season
If he was replacing Cleverley, Fletcher or Fellaini then I don't think anyone would have an issue with him. None of those players look like they'll be leaving any time soon though so in reality he'd be taking a place that should go to a better player.
If we're clearing some of our midfield deadwood in the summer then it's fine to bring in a cm who compares favourably with Fellaini, Cleverley and Fletcher. Otherwise we need mildfielders who can be compared with the likes of Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Gundogan, Fabregas and other elite talents.
We'll get nowhere near those "elite" CMs with no champions league football and no realistic title chance. First we need to get into the champions league for next season and look like we could win the title. Cabaye could allow us that progress. Cleverley, Fletcher and Fellaini will not
Lest we forget that we probably need two central midfielders with Giggs probably retiring at the end of the season; Fletcher recently returning from a two year debilitating illness; Carrick on the wane; Cleverley stagnating for the best part of 18 months and Fellaini yet to convince.
We have the numbers there, but all five could conceivably be looking at a squad player role at best beyond this season with one or two possibly going - I personally wouldn't be adverse to Cleverley leaving, as I don't think he has the ceiling to improve much further.
If we do sign two central midfielders between now and the beginning of September, both don't necessarily have to be star quality like a Gundogan or Vidal. Cabaye is a quality player, despite not being top bracket and someone capable of being influential to the extent we get top four - along with Mata.
He may not be a supreme athlete, blessed with pace, but he is a well-rounded midfielder ho will still be performing at a high level for a good few years IMO.
We have the numbers there, but all five could conceivably be looking at a squad player role at best beyond this season with one or two possibly going - I personally wouldn't be adverse to Cleverley leaving, as I don't think he has the ceiling to improve much further.
If we do sign two central midfielders between now and the beginning of September, both don't necessarily have to be star quality like a Gundogan or Vidal. Cabaye is a quality player, despite not being top bracket and someone capable of being influential to the extent we get top four - along with Mata.
He may not be a supreme athlete, blessed with pace, but he is a well-rounded midfielder ho will still be performing at a high level for a good few years IMO.
Ha, we'd still be more than a few signings from having eleven top bracket players. How many did we have when we last won the CL though? Quite a few.
Thats why Cabaye wouldnt cost as much as Rooney, RVP, Mata or De Gea
But our rivals are domestic, we should have no plans for the champions league right now. First we have to prove we can get in a title race, then we can think about having central midfielders who could get into Bayern and Barcelona's teams. Because guess what, CMs who'd get into Bayern and Barcelona's teams want champions league football and a really good chance of winning their domestic league each season
Cabaye would cost more than De Gea and could possibly cost as much as RvP. Not as much as Fellaini though, so there's that.
Of course we should have plans for the CL. Obviously we should take our recovery one step at a time but that doesn't mean our overall standards should drop. We should be looking at competing for PL and CL as soon as we can, not focusing on fourth. We hired a long term manager, we have long term goals, we should make long term signings.
Yes we would. Even without a CL place top players will still believe we're going to be back winning titles relatively quickly, in the same way they'd believe Bayern, Barca or Real would recover too. Did the Mata transfer not show how much spending power and pull we still have? One season without the CL won't change that. People overestimate the damage missing out on fourth would do, we'd still attract top quality.
Tell 'em, lad!
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