Yoann Gourcuff

henno said:
ive only seen him in the champs league and the two games v ireland in the play offs..... and he does absolutely nothing for me. he was terrible in teh play offs, with glen whelan and keith andrews running rings round him... now what does that say!!
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To be totally honest.... Domenich should never EVER be a coach... He is totally clueless and France were absolutely luck just to get into the WC from a Henry Handball, I totally won't blame the players as their coach is terrible. Likewise L.Blanc, brought the best out of Gourcuff after a miserable run in a Milan side where Kaka' was playing his favoured ATM position....

Maybe he wasn't that consistent in his second season, but he didn't do terribly... and certainly Bordeux isn't the world class side you'd expect but they did really well to get to the QF of the CL, Zidane at 23 also didn't shine yet... So I don't blame Gourcuff...

But guys... if you see the talent in him... he has almost everything that would make him a successful player, he just hasn't had the best of luck yet, he'd be extremely lucky if SAF sees him as Scholes successor and plays him just like when we bought Ronaldo.

So my money is on either Gourcuff or Hamsik to succeed Scholes. Thats all i have to say, if you like Milner or the other players, then I don't mind, but from what I've seen of Gourcuff, I'd certainly put my money on him to succeed in OT.

Whether he does succeed or doesn't is a totally different issue.
 
gambit28 said:
You kidding me, if we got him and he played for us as well as he did for Bordeaux everyone would be calling him Goucufflop.
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um, why do you think that? He's Bordeaux best player and was the best player in France when they became champions(I think he won the award). Last season he started pretty well and his form continued, however faded away in the second half of the season much like the whole Bordeaux team. Playing on 2 fronts took the toll.

They still made the QF's in CL and Gourcuff was still their main man - scored the winner against Bayern and bossed the game against Olympiacos. I don't think his inconsistency is due only to his form, rather than the whole team playing bad.

I can't think of better players in his position at 25 mill euros atm, are there really?
 
Enigma_87 said:
um, why do you think that? He's Bordeaux best player and was the best player in France when they became champions(I think he won the award). Last season he started pretty well and his form continued, however faded away in the second half of the season much like the whole Bordeaux team. Playing on 2 fronts took the toll.

They still made the QF's in CL and Gourcuff was still their main man - scored the winner against Bayern and bossed the game against Olympiacos. I don't think his inconsistency is due only to his form, rather than the whole team playing bad.

I can't think of better players in his position at 25 mill euros atm, are there really?
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His style of play doesn't suit us is what Gambit is trying to say.
 
Interval Level said:
His style of play doesn't suit us is what Gambit is trying to say.
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I think he's well capable of playing in 4-5-1(4-3-3 with Nani and Valencia on the wings) and in 4-4-2 with Fletcher.

If Fabregas is available would you take him? As he plays in a similar role to Gourcuff.
 
Enigma_87 said:
um, why do you think that? He's Bordeaux best player and was the best player in France when they became champions(I think he won the award). Last season he started pretty well and his form continued, however faded away in the second half of the season much like the whole Bordeaux team. Playing on 2 fronts took the toll.

They still made the QF's in CL and Gourcuff was still their main man - scored the winner against Bayern and bossed the game against Olympiacos. I don't think his inconsistency is due only to his form, rather than the whole team playing bad.

I can't think of better players in his position at 25 mill euros atm, are there really?
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I'm not saying he's a bad player but he has gone missing for games for whole weeks. Wether or not the team are playing bad he should still put in a huge effort to play at his best which he doesn't do. He's in a group of players that involve Milner, Hamsik and Pastore for that supposed price range. I would only have Gourcuff above Milner. His style of play would not be suited to us as we need midfielders who work their backsides off to make an impact. When he is good he is exceptional but he doesn't keep that level going consistently, when he's not playing well Carrick is a better choice.
 
gambit28 said:
I'm not saying he's a bad player but he has gone missing for games for whole weeks. Wether or not the team are playing bad he should still put in a huge effort to play at his best which he doesn't do. He's in a group of players that involve Milner, Hamsik and Pastore for that supposed price range. I would only have Gourcuff above Milner. His style of play would not be suited to us as we need midfielders who work their backsides off to make an impact. When he is good he is exceptional but he doesn't keep that level going consistently, when he's not playing well Carrick is a better choice.
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To be fair to him he had some injuries this season and missed some games or was rushed in like against Bayern. I think he set the standard very high after his opening season at Bordeaux.

He would have much better support and mobile front line than what he had with Bordeaux. However in CL I think he was their best man on the pitch in almost every match. Granted he didn't play very well against Lyon but neither the whole team which was pretty mumch gassed out.

At 23 he's much more accomplished than any of those guys - Milner, Hamsik and Pastore. Why wouldn't we want an accomplished midfielder that has more creativity than any of our current midfielders, bar Scholes?

I can't see anyone worth 25 mill and can't see why he isn't worth that having in mind Milner is around 20(if we believe rumours)..
 
Enigma_87 said:
To be fair to him he had some injuries this season and missed some games or was rushed in like against Bayern. I think he set the standard very high after his opening season at Bordeaux.

He would have much better support and mobile front line than what he had with Bordeaux. However in CL I think he was their best man on the pitch in almost every match. Granted he didn't play very well against Lyon but neither the whole team which was pretty mumch gassed out.

At 23 he's much more accomplished than any of those guys - Milner, Hamsik and Pastore. Why wouldn't we want an accomplished midfielder that has more creativity than any of our current midfielders, bar Scholes?

I can't see anyone worth 25 mill and can't see why he isn't worth that having in mind Milner is around 20(if we believe rumours)..
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No he's not better than Hamsik and Pastore, Gourcuff is brilliant but nowhere near their level of consistent performances. When Hamsik plays great he's just as good as any player out there in his position . When he plays bad he will work his backside off for the team. Pastore for me will be one of the future greats. He's a mix of Kaka and Diego all in one, with the ability to orchestrate games to his tune. Gourcuff will be great one day but in the champions league he was a ghost. The world cup will decide it for me if he's ready for the next level.
 
Gourcuff would be a great asset for us if we switched permanently to 4-3-3, but that isn't going to happen which is why I don't think we have pursued him.
 
Devil may care said:
Gourcuff would be a great asset for us if we switched permanently to 4-3-3, but that isn't going to happen which is why I don't think we have pursued him.
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We've also never been linked to him in the slightest.
 
Rumors are that Wenger wants Gourcuff to replace Fabregas if and when the latter moves to Barcelona.

There's still the goalie and DM issue (Lloris/Toulalan?), but Yoann would be perfect for the Gunners. Of course, Nasri has played the CM role as well with great effect, but having them both in would be beneficial as their squad has always lacked depth.
 
That would be a good signing by Wenger, he likes the Frenchies
 
Gourcouf has looked like a talent the few times I've seen him, which are not enough to judge his consistency or whether he could hack it in the PL. Since Barca don't seem to be able to pony up £60M it may be a moot point anyway.
 
peterstorey said:
Gourcouf has looked like a talent the few times I've seen him, which are not enough to judge his consistency or whether he could hack it in the PL. Since Barca don't seem to be able to pony up £60M it may be a moot point anyway.
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Oh I think Barca will find the money my friend, say goodbye to Fabregas, they very well will sell Toure and who they sell him to get them a fecking decent amount of money, say 20 million pounds. I also think that Arsenal will sell if Barca offer anything over 50 million pounds which I reallly believe will happen, Gorcouff would be an excellent signing though.
 
I don't really see where Cole fits in plus he wants £120K a week. Stroll on.
 
Allforone said:
Exactly where Fabregas does, just off the front behind Van Persie id assume.....although if Fabregas were to stay i really dont see your need for another player of that type.
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Fabregas is a proper CM Cole isn't, he'd have to play instead of Arshavin or Nasri. Not gonna happen IMO.
 
peterstorey said:
Fabregas is a proper CM Cole isn't, he'd have to play instead of Arshavin or Nasri. Not gonna happen IMO.
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Yeah but Fabregas hasnt played as a proper CM for a while now under Wenger, your entire 4-3-3 system was designed to let Fabregas off the leash so to speak and put him in that little pocket in front of any 2 from Denilson/Diaby/Song etc and just behind one of Van Persie/Bendtner/Eduardo whoever, exactly where Cole is probably most threatening.

For example:

......Song Denilson
Nasri - J.Cole - Arshavin
-----Van Persie

You could easily line up like that should you sign him with basically Cole replacing Fabregas's role in the set up.
 
We won't get him, mass muppett suicide

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gambit28 said:
No he's not better than Hamsik and Pastore, Gourcuff is brilliant but nowhere near their level of consistent performances. When Hamsik plays great he's just as good as any player out there in his position . When he plays bad he will work his backside off for the team. Pastore for me will be one of the future greats. He's a mix of Kaka and Diego all in one, with the ability to orchestrate games to his tune. Gourcuff will be great one day but in the champions league he was a ghost. The world cup will decide it for me if he's ready for the next level.
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I don't agree about the ghost issue, he played and was clearly marked heavily, leaving the other players free which was totally understandable...

I'm not comparing Gourcuff with either Hamsik or Pastore as from what I see of all three of them, their strengths are quite different. Hamsif of course has more stamina and shines more in games, but if your looking to unlock games, Gourcuff would offer more, as for Pastore, he did okay in a Palermo side but still is very raw talent, agree with dictating the pace, but looking like a mix between Kaka and Diego doesn't really suit him. I think Pastore is probably more alike to Scholes than any of the 2 mentioned, Gourcuff would be like a Zidane, and Hamsik is more box to box like Keano.

I'd take any of the three though.
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
I don't agree about the ghost issue, he played and was clearly marked heavily, leaving the other players free which was totally understandable...

I'm not comparing Gourcuff with either Hamsik or Pastore as from what I see of all three of them, their strengths are quite different. Hamsif of course has more stamina and shines more in games, but if your looking to unlock games, Gourcuff would offer more, as for Pastore, he did okay in a Palermo side but still is very raw talent, agree with dictating the pace, but looking like a mix between Kaka and Diego doesn't really suit him. I think Pastore is probably more alike to Scholes than any of the 2 mentioned, Gourcuff would be like a Zidane, and Hamsik is more box to box like Keano.

I'd take any of the three though.
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Hamsik is bog all like Keano. Think Nedved meets Lampard and you've got it. Pastore is bog all like Scholes as well. Hamsik gets man marked when Napoli play, he loses them. He made Desrossi look like an amatuer once. Gourcuff relies on his team to shine for him to do the same. We already have a player in our ranks who can unlock defenses but he gets marked out of games at times and everyone on here seems to hate him. People are also really underplaying Hamsiks creative abilities.
 
gambit28 said:
Hamsik is bog all like Keano. Think Nedved meets Lampard and you've got it. Pastore is bog all like Scholes as well. Hamsik gets man marked when Napoli play, he loses them. He made Desrossi look like an amatuer once. Gourcuff relies on his team to shine for him to do the same. We already have a player in our ranks who can unlock defenses but he gets marked out of games at times and everyone on here seems to hate him. People are also really underplaying Hamsiks creative abilities.
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gambit28 said:
Hamsik is bog all like Keano. Think Nedved meets Lampard and you've got it. Pastore is bog all like Scholes as well. Hamsik gets man marked when Napoli play, he loses them. He made Desrossi look like an amatuer once. Gourcuff relies on his team to shine for him to do the same. We already have a player in our ranks who can unlock defenses but he gets marked out of games at times and everyone on here seems to hate him. People are also really underplaying Hamsiks creative abilities.
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Never ever did i underplay Hamsiks creative abilities... Thinking Keano is that he has all the attributes needed to play CM, can score, defends well and has the stamina. Also Keano never lacked the creative ability... Keano was world class in my eyes...

The hating issue is Nani ? Or Berbs ?
I like all players unless they are wank and start blaming others and has a piss poor attitude on the pitch like Berbs... I've only mostly complained about Nani is that he makes a short pass look difficult which he has dramitcally improved and has given us more end results...

So, I'm not stating that Hamsik isn't good, but I'm jsut pointing out that Gourcuff has different strengths... Either Hamsik or Gourcuff, I'd be in muppet heaven.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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Berbatov.
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Never ever did i underplay Hamsiks creative abilities... Thinking Keano is that he has all the attributes needed to play CM, can score, defends well and has the stamina. Also Keano never lacked the creative ability... Keano was world class in my eyes...

The hating issue is Nani ? Or Berbs ?
I like all players unless they are wank and start blaming others and has a piss poor attitude on the pitch like Berbs... I've only mostly complained about Nani is that he makes a short pass look difficult which he has dramitcally improved and has given us more end results...

So, I'm not stating that Hamsik isn't good, but I'm jsut pointing out that Gourcuff has different strengths... Either Hamsik or Gourcuff, I'd be in muppet heaven.
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Never said you were stating Hamsik wasn't any good, I was talking in General. If I had to choose between a Hamsik or Roy Keane I'd pick Keane everytime.
 
Berbs marked out ? I think the main issue that most fans don't like him is his attitude, his work rate, the way he blames others and certainly or most importantly his poor finishing this season...

BTW, he does unlock defenses but they are not consistent as you want your 30m striker to be
 
RedThaiDevils#7 said:
Berbs marked out ? I think the main issue that most fans don't like him is his attitude, his work rate, the way he blames others and certainly or most importantly his poor finishing this season...

BTW, he does unlock defenses but they are not consistent as you want your 30m striker to be
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His unlockings brilliant, it's his finishing thats a nigthmare.
 
Jean-Louis Tiraud has said he has received no offers for Gourcuff what so ever.
 
Berbatov doesn't really unlock defenses enough.

That's his problem with us. He doesn't create that much and he doesn't score that much. Usually when the going gets tough he does neither. That's not good enough at United.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Berbatov doesn't really unlock defenses enough.

That's his problem with us. He doesn't create that much and he doesn't score that much. Usually when the going gets tough he does neither. That's not good enough at United.
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Are you serious? what a strange thing to say, that’s probably been Berbatovs main strength with us, the amount of goals hes laid on for others and chances hes set up....thats one of if not the main strength in his game his vision/craft and creativity hence why Sir Alex has played him 'between the lines' 99% of the time.

Dont know what Berbatov you’ve been watching....to criticise his goal output is fine and understandable but to criticise the creative part of his game is ridiculous really.
 
Allforone said:
Are you serious? what a strange thing to say, that’s probably been Berbatovs main strength with us, the amount of goals hes laid on for others and chances hes set up....thats one of if not the main strength in his game his vision/craft and creativity hence why Sir Alex has played him 'between the lines' 99% of the time.

Dont know what Berbatov you’ve been watching....to criticise his goal output is fine and understandable but to criticise the creative part of his game is ridiculous really.
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He had 5 assists in 24 games in the league, and 6 assists in 29 club games overall. Nothing great really.

Dimitar Berbatov Profile, Statistics, News, Game Log - Manchester United, English Premier League - ESPN Soccernet
 
Berba is one of those players who really need to improve. He is not the only one, I mean, there are players like Carrick, Anderson, Obretan, Diouf etc etc etc. Stating that in Berba and Carrick case things look more bleak since they can't hide under the 'yong and lernin' excuse anymore.
 
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