Agreed. There is no guarantee that Mina will become a great player for us. But people calling him "shite" and "I give up if we sign him" are overreacting a ton if you ask me.
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Agreed. There is no guarantee that Mina will become a great player for us. But people calling him "shite" and "I give up if we sign him" are overreacting a ton if you ask me.
Or underrate on case of Mina, based on hearing that he wasn't good for Barca on 5 games.
Agree that both got overrated from their WC performances when both were good but hardly great. And cause of that their price has skyrocketed from 12m or so, to 35/70+m.
That's another issue and I'm not in the Maguire fan club either. Maguire however has more to his credit as he was chosen Leicester player of the year and also is adapted to the PL. Prem clubs would ask for a premium and he's not a backup for his team. The situation couldn't be more different between them if you ask me.
Twice the sample size, and at more dominant teams.
Well, going by that logic I wouldn't want Aldeirwereld who also got schooled by the Japanese players in the 3-2 game.
I don't see how anyone can rate him when no one has seen his good spell at Palmeiras. The people that have seen him saw him in 2018 and it wasn't a good year for him. Not rating him on a small sample is flawed but it's a lot more than the people that rate him on no sample of particularly good games.
We already have the type of CB that Mina is in Smalling and Bailly. We need the complete opposite type of CB, one who can play the ball efficiently and contribute when the team is in possession against weaker teams.
Fine by me. Never want Toby that badly to begin with.Well, going by that logic I wouldn't want Aldeirwereld who also got schooled by the Japanese players in the 3-2 game.
Was not that good defending for Tunisia second goal or France winner
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Mate, I have no clue but reviews from people who've seen him play proper are not very convincing. Who knows.How do you know that Mina cannot be good with the ball at his feet? How many of us have seen him play regularly to say so?
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That's the thing - who are these people? Mainly Barca fans who saw him play in the bad spell he had a la Vidic when he first joined us, especially when they think he was guilty of spoiling their unbeaten season? As @JPRouve said: how many saw him play regularly at Palmeiras or in Brazil where he made a name for himself and caught Barca's eye?
Yeah, underrate was the wrong wrong. More like not want him without having watched him much, if at all.
Haha yeah, but it could be taken both ways, no? I just feel that the judgement of him based off a too small and usually flawed sample size if unfair to him.I feel that it's a travesty of my point.
Except, the same Twitter poster thinks the guy should go to a team like Everton first to improve his game:
I think he feels it's more of a being able to deal with the stress situation. Playing CB for Barca is a completely different situation and is really quite a high pressure situation for most CB, given the way they play. With our usual style of playing in a low block, he might feel more comfy.
Not to equal mesure. We have a dozen of games close to a relevant level where he hasn't been good or has been average that's what the rare people that have actually seen him witnessed. His Palmeiras days are unknown to pretty much everyone and not really relevant when it comes to his current footballing and financial valuation.
Personally, I have no idea about whether he will be good or not, I only know that he hasn't in 2018 in Europe. Maybe he will need time like Thiago Silva or maybe he is just bad.
While there are some uncertainties regardling players changing clubs, and a player can be sh*t in one club, and good in the next, changing clubs does not suddenly make you a good passer. And there is a difference between being good with the ball in the feet and being an efficient ball player(Alderweireld is an example of the latter.)
From what is available regarding videofootage on him (that is not showing him winning aerial duels or him scoring on corners) it seems he is ok with the ball in his feet and can pass the ball ok, but often prefers to play the safe long lump. Again based on the little footage available, so may be that i am completely wrong and that he is on level with Alderweireld in when handling the ball, or he is the Colombian Smalling.
Where are the dozen games? I liked what I saw from him during the WC, and I did not watch his Barca games. So the people who have seem his dozen games as Colombia fans? Or Brazilian league fans?
Think they are talking about the tweet in which BBC put it as gossip
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I don't think he is as good as say, Bonucci, or even Toby, but I think he should be on Lindelof's level? Again, based off what little I have seen just like you did. And I am sure Jose wants defenders who can defend first before doing other things like passing well or scoring.
Again, the point that all of us here have not seen him play enough to form an opinion of him stands, and that people who call him shite and label him a flop before he has even joined is just crazy. Yes, he may join us and turn out to be a failure, but judge him after a season or 2 AFTER he joins us.
What are you on about? He played a dozen of games this year(6 for Barcelona and 7 for Colombia), that's what most people would have seen at best, basically since his move to Barcelona.
So are we pretending to be interested in this guy just to give competition to Everton and raise his price, so Everton ultimately will buy Rojo from us instead for 30m? That is what I'm hoping for. Such an uninspiring transfer. Imagine us signing Mina as well as not being able to offload any defenders So pointless
So pointlesss like one terrible game. Other than that's it's not out of ordinary for new guy joining in January not set the world ablaze.
Any signings is gamble. Toby injuries last couple season is gamble. If Tottenham genuinely wants to help then lower the asking price. Our CBs missed chunks of game through injuries, so to get somebody who can stay fit and with potential is not the worst idea, even if it's just side way move in term of quality.[/QUOTE]
He was pretty poor whenever he played. Barcelona fans thought he was really bad, there's a reason he played so few games, they clearly just decided he wasn't good enough for the club. They have some of the best scouts in the world, took a risk and have decided he's not what they wanted. That doesn't necessarily mean he's not suited to other teams or he's outright bad.. just means that there is a risk factor, and I don't think a club like United should be his next destination. Move to a team where you're guaranteed to go in as a starter and the pressure is a bit less.
I don't think Tottenham want to help. I guess so, but what you really need seems to be a top class CB who can organise and is also good on the ball. I don't think Mina is that, not saying he is bad or that he doesn't have some attributes or talent, but he would need to be a work in progress.
Any signings is gamble. Toby injuries last couple season is gamble. If Tottenham genuinely wants to help then lower the asking price. Our CBs missed chunks of game through injuries, so to get somebody who can stay fit and with potential is not the worst idea, even if it's just side way move in term of quality.[/QUOTE]
He was pretty poor whenever he played. Barcelona fans thought he was really bad, there's a reason he played so few games, they clearly just decided he wasn't good enough for the club. They have some of the best scouts in the world, took a risk and have decided he's not what they wanted. That doesn't necessarily mean he's not suited to other teams or he's outright bad.. just means that there is a risk factor, and I don't think a club like United should be his next destination. Move to a team where you're guaranteed to go in as a starter and the pressure is a bit less.
I don't think Tottenham want to help
. I guess so, but what you really need seems to be a top class CB who can organise and is also good on the ball. I don't think Mina is that, not saying he is bad or that he doesn't have some attributes or talent, but he would need to be a work in progress.Hmm ok, but bar his Barca performances, have his Colombia ones been terrible too? As said, I liked what I saw during the 3 games I saw him play in the WC. YMMV of course.
I have not said that Mina is a bad player.
I'm just saying based on what little footage and information available about him, and what little we can conclude from this, that he is very similar in his strengths as a player to those already at the club. And acquiring Alderweireld makes more sense(dependent on price), as he offers something we are lacking from the defenders. And there is less risk related to buying Alderweireld, compared to Mina.
I think it could be a strategy though. Get Mina now, get Toby for 25m next window while offloading another CB, maybe Jones. Rather than spunking 60m on either Toby or Maguire alone now.
And I am not saying that you think he is a bad player, though some posters here clearly have despite not having seen him play much themselves.
I didn't say that they were terrible. Don't misrepresent my posts, I said something simple and I didn't make any definitive or harsh conclusion. As for your post that's exactly the problem, the sample size that you are using doesn't warrant any judgement of other people opinion, zero.
Mina is an unknown quantity and people have seen good and pretty bad things.
So are we pretending to be interested in this guy just to give competition to Everton and raise his price, so Everton ultimately will buy Rojo from us instead for 30m? That is what I'm hoping for. Such an uninspiring transfer. Imagine us signing Mina as well as not being able to offload any defenders
I think we're actually negotiating for Ousmane Dembele with Barcelona. We've traveled to Spain to do a deal and we know Dembele is available.
Yes I know that my opinion of him is not sound as well, since I too have barely seen him play. I am just going off what I found online from people who have noticed him since his days in Brazil. I also see your point of view. So I may be wrong. What I can see is why Jose might be interested to sign a player like him though.
What I don't understand, as a mentioned, are people giving up on Mina and calling him crap based off almost nothing at all. As you said, none of us here have enough experience watching him to decide if he will be surefire hit or a confirmed failure before he has even signed, let alone played a single minute for us.
That would be insane, though I am unsure if Jose wants another young, inconsistent but talented young French player in the team....
While i do see the financial benefits of your strategy, it will not necessary make the team more competitive this season. And i do think Mourinho needs to reduce the gap to City to keep the fans happy/content.
Good. Think Mina is on Pair with Smalling in most areas, so it is not that he is a bad defender, only that it is not the type of defender we need now. This season.
The fact he is an unknown quantity in this day and age is the worrying thing. So much focus on young talented players now it is weird to not be rated as a huge talent or not to have anything to show for at club level, and then get a 30m move to Man Utd. At the same time we have at least 3 positions we should be focusing on strengthening before we make another punt on a young CB. It is one thing if we focused on a CB that would instantly improve us with leadership and stability instead of sorting out other positions, but something like this just seems crazy to me.
That's why you sign these type of players from Brazil or you let them build somethng in Europe in a club that will take the 12m risk. You don't let them sign in Europe for a fair fee and then purchase them when they have proved nothing. Think about Malcom, he was making noise from Brazil but he ended up at Bordeaux, his first months weren't easy but at Bordeaux he was able to settle, get comfortable and show something. He is still only potential but at least you have a clear idea about what he can do on a regular basis at a decent level.
Same as Maguire.
The fee is irrelevant now, we will be signing one more player maximum, and I doubt we’ve exhausted our transfer budget.
To those of you saying ‘I’d rather have Mina for £35m than Maguire/Alderweirald for £60m’ ask yourself who is the better player. Ignore the fee.
To those of you saying ‘I’d rather have Mina for £35m than Maguire/Alderweirald for £60m’ ask yourself who is the better player. Ignore the fee.
Why would anyone want that? It's not like the saved £25 million will be coming to them instead, or even be spent on anything else to improve the team.
Personally I'd only be interested in stuff like this if I knew the money was been saved for the next manager, or been put away to improve the stadium.
That's such basic reasoning, it simply doesn't apply. I remember posters spouting out this rubbish when Pogba signed. I even said pretty much that we'd be held ransom in the future because we paid such a hefty fee for Pogba and it sets a precedent going forward.
That's exactly what's happening now - every selling club will add a good 30% as a premium because it's United and we will pay whatever. But we can't pay whatever - even we have constraints.
I am for one is not convinced Mina is a worse player than Al never mind Maguire.
Maguire had a good WC, but in the season he was kind of average. At 25 the guy had only two pl season and one of them ended in relegation. Last year L. City was 9th with 60 conceded goals, one of the worst defensive record. Football is largely confidence game, people underestimate it significantly. A player who somewhat became confident had a good streak can progress really rapidly and hold the new level. But ultimately i would not put Maquire above Mina. The only real plus of Maquire is that he is PL adapted. But Mina strikes me as a defender who might adapt really quickly, he is certainly more of PL player, than a La Liga one.
Alderweirald is significantly older than both of them, at 29 he is sure to get only worse. Both Mina and Maguire are almost sure to progress and develop further. Also belgian has just came back from injury, he was good at WC, but all his season has been a bust pretty much. So i am not sure that he will actually be as good as he was a couple years back. Toby is a good CB, but it's not like he is one of top three CBs in league to be head and shoulders above Mina/Maguire.
I'd rather have Mina from what I've seen so far. Dont think we'd fare well with Maguire's tendency to get caught out in a position he cant get back to defend from. And I don't think its a good idea to spend the kind of money Spurs want for a player who is 29 - unless they are a special player like a Ronaldo or Messi type. Toby is certainly not that.
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