You go YaYa! Get that baldy decker kicked out of the PLYaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)
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You go YaYa! Get that baldy decker kicked out of the PLWow. Pretty damning stuff - compared to the usual diplomacy in football - from Toure there.
Having read the article Pep’s behaviour towards Yaya is exactly the same as his treatment towards Zlatan.
I wouldn’t say it’s racism but more to do with Pep not be able to deal with strong personalities in a squad. He has to be the only authority, anyone who disobeys is quickly shot down a level.
The similarities it seems are players who think they know best and I don’t think Pep likes that.
I wouldn’t say it’s racism but more to do with Pep not be able to deal with strong personalities in a squad. He has to be the only authority, anyone who disobeys is quickly shot down a level.
The similarities it seems are players who think they know best and I don’t think Pep likes that.
When you say that Sterling and Toure are "the exact same race" it sounds like you think that race is just about whether you are black or not. Clearly race is much more complicated than that. Being racialised is about assigned to a quasi-natural category of person and treated on that basis, and racial categories can develop between people with the same skin colour, e.g. the example of anti-Irish racism I raised earlier in the thread.
Etoo implied it a few times but chose to use the word “respect” . Ihenacho and his agent also complained about him.
If he does treat african players differently, I am sure most of them are too scared to come out. First of all it’s very difficult to prove racism if it’s not caught on video and second Pep is a very powerful man with a carefully crafted media image.
I will wait until the article is out and the facts have been established before making any judgement. Given the seriousness of the claims I would expect Toure to have some evidence to back it up. If it can be reasonably concluded that his claims are baseless, then he deserves all the shit he gets.
He was their legend.
Aaaaaaaaaand it's gone.
Aaaaaaaaaand it's gone.
It always amazes me that people who aren’t even subjected to racism are the ones who have alot to say about it. They act like referres and decide what constitutes racism and what doesn’t.
Toure’s article hasn’t even been published and some people have already decided that it’s not racism.
But I’m used to such behavior, so do carry on.
Toure’s article hasn’t even been published and some people have already decided that it’s not racism.
But I’m used to such behavior, so do carry on.
How do you know what posters have been subjected to racism or not?
Toure has previous for being a moron. No surprise he is still being called one. He can go be friends with Sol Campbell.
It honestly sounds to me that you are defining xenophobia and maybe even bigotry. The anti-Irish thing reminds me of sectarianism which as far as I can recall is different from racism. Maybe I'm wrong on that but that's honestly my recollection
A person who has been subjected to racism would wait for the full details of the article before jumping into any conclusion.
So you can’t be a moron and be subjected to racism?
Whats wrong with Noel Gallagher apart from being a city fan, his brothers a complete tit but i think Noel is ok, is it just me?
Poster is also probably assuming the race as well of those who he/she assumed haven't been subject to racism.
Guardiola has previous for being a drug cheat, ergo, he's still a drug cheat.
Am I doing this right?
Didn't Yaya say something about giving up on Africa after coming 2nd in an award the other year? Or have I just made that up?
He's City's Inesta or Buffon?
Hmmm... OK.
Hmmm... OK.
I already replied to that poster but I’ll reply to you too.Poster is also probably assuming the race as well of those who he/she assumed haven't been subject to racism.
I know what I’m talking about, I live in a society that is full racism and the people who always want to have a say about racism are those who ain’t subjected to it.
What happens is that the character of the person making the claim comes into question and we forget about the claims made. Exactly what is happening here.
If you know much about the experiences of Irish people over the last several hundred years then you'll know I'm not just saying it's racism every time someone gives a stranger a frosty reception. I'm talking about racism - though this has thankfully faded significantly now, for a long period in British history Irish people were racialised: characterised as a fundamentally inferior people who were inherently lazy, thick and sexually degenerate - latterly, accompanied by pseudo-scientific theories purporting to demonstrate that the Irish represented a lower evolutionary form, somewhat closer to apes.
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I have to be skeptical of Yaya's claims regarding possible racism on Pep's part against players from Africa. With an allegation this serious, I'd need concrete evidence to throw someone under the bus.
Plus, Yaya's professionalism has been called into question over the years. It's plausible he and Pep, the strict manager that he is, may have butted heads multiple times. Given Pep's success with more talented players, that's an indictment on Yaya more than it is on Pep.
That said, actual racism is worse than the allegation, so if Yaya genuinely feels there was an element of racism, a conversation should be had, regardless of whether Pep is guilty or not. Nothing wrong with clearing up misunderstandings.
Plus, Yaya's professionalism has been called into question over the years. It's plausible he and Pep, the strict manager that he is, may have butted heads multiple times. Given Pep's success with more talented players, that's an indictment on Yaya more than it is on Pep.
That said, actual racism is worse than the allegation, so if Yaya genuinely feels there was an element of racism, a conversation should be had, regardless of whether Pep is guilty or not. Nothing wrong with clearing up misunderstandings.
People talk about Pep having issues with stars such as Zlatan and Yaya but I think Pep just loves those little guys who can hold onto possession and spot those passes no one else can in the same way Jose likes the big guys and would take Yaya and Zlatan probably any day over a Mata, Martial or a Mkhitaryan. Once a manager like Pep feels a mighty midget can do a better job for them than a 6'5 superstar then their mind is set and they will leave whoever they have to on the bench no matter how badly an ego gets damaged.
Yaya has no class as a man and when he said in 2016 that he instead of Aubameyang should have won the African POTY thing it just showed what a small man he is. You never heard the likes of Roy Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Adams, Vierra, Henry saying they should have won the POTY instead of the likes of Ginola or Les Ferdinand or whoever even when it seemed obvious they were far more deserving and that is why they will be remembered long in the memory as titans of the game while Yaya will be remembered as a classless whinging attention seeker.
Yaya has no class as a man and when he said in 2016 that he instead of Aubameyang should have won the African POTY thing it just showed what a small man he is. You never heard the likes of Roy Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Adams, Vierra, Henry saying they should have won the POTY instead of the likes of Ginola or Les Ferdinand or whoever even when it seemed obvious they were far more deserving and that is why they will be remembered long in the memory as titans of the game while Yaya will be remembered as a classless whinging attention seeker.
Sack him. Put him in jail. Take the championships from him. Relegate City. Give the championship to us!
It has happened in Italy, it can happen in England, too!
It has happened in Italy, it can happen in England, too!
So all people that have been subjected to racism are the same?
Eto'o said the same thing.
I find it hard to believe he is racist though , players fall out of favour with the coach everytime.
I find it hard to believe he is racist though , players fall out of favour with the coach everytime.
People are commenting on the quotes/article available so far, and to many they seem meek and contradictory
This is a reply to my posts:
Is this commenting on the article?
that's one reply, you also said people are commenting on an article that hasn't been published yet
One of the quotes is :"It got to the point I asked myself if it was because of my colour."
That doesn't really sound like a man who is sure of his accusations if I'm being honest.
Not saying Pep can't be racist but if would really surprise me. I'd say there's more chance of Toure being a bit butthurt. But yeah, who knows.
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Toure is such a tool, as well as his agent
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I can also quote posters saying exactly what I’m saying that some people have already decided it’s not racism because Toure is the one who is making the claim.
I have encountered many white and Asian Africans, or don't they count as they don't fit your rediculous point of view? Had he said black players, then he may or may not have had a point. But I'd guess his history of having long term working relationship with many black players, wouldn't have fit Yaya's perspective.
Liam is a much interesting and funnier blocke to listen to .
Of all the things that might invalidate Toure's claims I'd say neglecting to mention that white people also live in Africa when talking about racism against black African players is fairly low on the list.
Considering Pep's treatment of Joe Hart and Zlatan, he could be racist towards white europeans as well.
Let's not limit Pep being a general wanker to just black African people.
Let's not limit Pep being a general wanker to just black African people.
The British press will ignore it because the love affair continues.
Wonder what Ron Atkinson would say? Actually, scratch that, I have a shrewd idea...
Wonder what Ron Atkinson would say? Actually, scratch that, I have a shrewd idea...
No way, he’s just a tit who cant sing for shit, Noel is the talented one and very funny.
Pep: "Some of my best friends are African."
It doesn’t surprise me. Spain and (many) Spanish people have always struck me as ‘racist’... just going by past experience of being there on holiday and things I have whitnessed on TV, especially in football.
This was also my issue with it, he starts out talking about Africans then the argument sort of shifts to 'people of colour' and that narrative has zero purchase. But you know, might as well play the race card. And the African argument doesnt hold much water either, ok Eto and Toure, and where does Seydou Keita fit into this narrative? What about Zlatan and Hart who he also moved on? They were not African players of colour. A more solid argument would be Pep is prejudiced against Latin players, in his first season at Barcelona in 2008-2009 Ronaldhino, Edmilson, Dos Santos, Ezquerro, Deco, Henrique, Oleguer, Crosas were all moved on, what a racist.
There has to be a lot more evidence than whatever this is that Toure has put forth, especially to substantiate such weighty claims.