Liverpool will have 4 Africans in there team next season Matip, Keita, Salah, Mane and the African cup of nations is now held in the summer so I think we will see more teams sign African players maybe not Yaya though.
Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)
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Toure has paid for juju on Pep.
Is the full interview out yet? I would be interested in seeing what examples he's given of discrimination.
You don't think Toure is technically gifted? You're painting an entire continent with the same brush.
They are alive and well in 2018. I see this a lot on this forum.
Given the vast size of Africa you would expect the level of players to improve greatly in the coming decades as training and facilities improve over there.
That's nonsense. Fitness and athleticism is a big part of any top level athlete's game nowadays, and Toure and Eto'o were both immensely technical players.
Parts of south america are just as poor as some parts of africa but they still produce more frequently better players, the likes of Cavani and Suarez from Uruguay then Sanchez and Vidal of Chile - its strange .
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Chile and Uruguay are not poor countries. I think they are the richest in South America actually.
No..he wasn't happy because accomplishments in African football are not recognised.. Winning the cup of nations and seen as one of the best players should matter. Ayew also said the same thing.
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Do Hercules next, guy.
Pathetic stuff from Yaya, he should get together with Eto'o.
It does mean that he's probably not excluding someone from the team because of their race, which is pretty much all that Yaya said isn't it?
I’ve got two problems with that.
One, it’s hypocritical because he had won 4 APOTY awards in the preceding years without Ivory Coast winning the ACON in ‘12 and ‘13 and despite him not being the best player in those tournaments. Yet Touré had no problem collecting those awards based majorly on his success in Europe. But somehow when Auba wins it based on club performances, it’s an issue.
Two, he’s assuming on what the judges criteria are. And he’s assuming it’s because of Africans undervaluing the ACON rather than simply because Auba had a better year than him.
He just smacks me as someone so full of himself that he has a distorted view of reality due to his ego.
That is an aside from the Pep accusations which I want to hear more about.
12 pages of presumptuous statements from people who do not have a hoot as to what is going on.
Gonna laugh so hard when/if Toure pulls some damning evidence out of the hat, revealing Pep for the fraudulent racist that he is. Probably won't be laughing that hard given how inappropriate that would be under the circumstances, but hard enough.
Gonna laugh so hard when/if Toure pulls some damning evidence out of the hat, revealing Pep for the fraudulent racist that he is. Probably won't be laughing that hard given how inappropriate that would be under the circumstances, but hard enough.
People are going off the quotes already mentioned, which suggest very little of anything. If something legit crops up I'm certain people will be damning of it. It's not like posters here are desperate to defend Pep.
So you have already made up your mind ? You must have access to that damning evidence
If that turns out to be the case loads in here will just vanish into the ether. Conversely if the opposite happens and its a nothing burger a few dodgy posters will let the mask slip even further (and double down on Yaya) I'm sure.
We're all going off the same quotes and lack of evidence. How that manifests itself says a lot about the individual imo. Some posters in here showing themselves up... but what's new.
Personally I have no opinion until I hear what he has to say. You do you tho...
Would have thought my post suggests the opposite entirely.
Would that be the golden player at that particular competition?
In 2017 that was Christian Mougang Bassogog.
Without video evidence to back up such a claim, proving racism is very difficult. Toure claims to have proof (his own words) but if it turns out to be simply his word against Pep then the joke will be on him I guess.
The worst part about modern society isn’t the supposed neglect of tackling legitimate abuse, but the guilty-before-evidence attitude that permeates individuals that have a personal investment in such and such an individual failing in order to justify their predjudice.
the feck?@MJJ
Try quoting the entire sentence - taking particular notice of the if/when part - rather than pasting in the convenient parts. Thanks.
Try quoting the entire sentence - taking particular notice of the if/when part - rather than pasting in the convenient parts. Thanks.
Has he not already said it? Or are we waiting for more?
This isn't true. I'm absolutely certain most people would condemn him if there was real proof, or even a real accusation that was more than an assumption.
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction, since getting video/audio evidence in this case is as easy as a hidden camera or audio recorder in your pocket?
It's not as if Toure and Baldy are strangers that only met once, he could have planned his exposition out and really caught him in the act.
"Revealing Pep for the fraudulent racist that he is".. You might wanna change that sentence then
Tbf I'd not seen the article when I wrote this. My point still stands but this is not great from yaya. Seems like he's trying to sell himself in a disgusting manner.
Hope some other players come out and refute this
I actually disagree that you need to have “proof” like hard evidence if you are rhe subject of recial descrimination before you speak out about it.
Thats not me saying I believe Yaya btw. Just that in instances of this type similar to rape “proof” isnt always available and suffering in silence is not an option IMO
Of course how do you determine when someone is telling the truth or not. Well I don’t think action should be taken against anyone accused without proof and if you can proove someone is lying then action should he taken against them
Thats not me saying I believe Yaya btw. Just that in instances of this type similar to rape “proof” isnt always available and suffering in silence is not an option IMO
Of course how do you determine when someone is telling the truth or not. Well I don’t think action should be taken against anyone accused without proof and if you can proove someone is lying then action should he taken against them
I've seen enough posters flee from threads where they've been shown up to think that a lot will just vanish mate, who knows tho. Either way every time I hear/see someone moan about such and such 'playing the race card' with a hint of 'how dare they?' a little piece of my optimism dies.
That makes a lot of sense to be fair. Maybe that is precisely what he is referring to when he claims proof.
All will be revealed soon enough.
Excellent. I cannot wait for the next episode of Toure TV.
Either Toure is confirmed a prat who trivialises racism, or Pep is a fecking racist who will be asked to resign.
Either way, I'm going to love it.
It would be a massive scandal, and I would be all for him taking things even further and seeking legal action.
Remember when he insinuated the voters of the CAF player of the year were biased towards Africans born and brought up abroad, when Aubameyang won the award in 2016?
Despite the fact that Toure himself had won the award for the previous four years!
People expecting some sort of proof from Toure will be disappointed. Only something said could count as evidence. Even if Guardiola had racist thoughts of Toure, he wouldn't say them. It's practically impossible. Could you imagine Guardiola saying to Toure that he dislikes Black Africans or doesn't find them good or finds them lazy or something? Madness. If Guardiola has done such things, he should not only step down but leave football forever.
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Spot on.
As per the first post I quoted, the problem is that society today gives a guilty verdict before any evidence is provided. Being labelled a racist is a severe allegation, and not one that is easily forgotten. To date, there is no evidence to prove Pep is racist yet he now has that tag labelled on him, and it's going to be very difficult to have that character stain removed, even if he is innocent. So if no evidence is available that Pep is racist, is it fair that he should be named?
Yaya has specifically come out on the attack against Pep, claiming he wants to destroy the myth. Destroy is a very strong word to use. Yaya clearly has some sort of beef, but if he had any evidence surely it's best to provide it, that would really destroy Pep, yet Yaya hasn't done so. Instead he just seems to want to feck Pep over for a bit with baseless comments.
Not going to quote specific posts but arguing that Pep can't be racist because he's fallen out with players before or because he's had black players in his teams previously smacks of ignorance. Not too mention the constant use of the term 'race card' which is extremely patronising to say the least. Like I said previously, I'm not passing judgement until I see the accusations in full but the reactions of some in here whenever race gets brought up is embarrassing.
Pep is a racist?