Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)

Obviously we cannot prove that what Touré suspects is inaccurate but he has form for being, shall we say, oversensitive? I mean in that same interview he talks about he should have had a similar send off to the one Iniesta and Buffon enjoyed. In what world does Yaya Touré measure up to those two? The fact that he sees himself in that light makes it very hard to take him seriously.
 
Yaya's caked off his fecking head.
 
I’ve got two problems with that.

One, it’s hypocritical because he had won 4 APOTY awards in the preceding years without Ivory Coast winning the ACON in ‘12 and ‘13 and despite him not being the best player in those tournaments. Yet Touré had no problem collecting those awards based majorly on his success in Europe. But somehow when Auba wins it based on club performances, it’s an issue.

Two, he’s assuming on what the judges criteria are. And he’s assuming it’s because of Africans undervaluing the ACON rather than simply because Auba had a better year than him.

He just smacks me as someone so full of himself that he has a distorted view of reality due to his ego.

That is an aside from the Pep accusations which I want to hear more about.
It can be classed as hypocrisy..but he wasn't wrong...
 
Spot on.



As per the first post I quoted, the problem is that society today gives a guilty verdict before any evidence is provided. Being labelled a racist is a severe allegation, and not one that is easily forgotten. To date, there is no evidence to prove Pep is racist yet he now has that tag labelled on him, and it's going to be very difficult to have that character stain removed, even if he is innocent. So if no evidence is available that Pep is racist, is it fair that he should be named?

Yaya has specifically come out on the attack against Pep, claiming he wants to destroy the myth. Destroy is a very strong word to use. Yaya clearly has some sort of beef, but if he had any evidence surely it's best to provide it, that would really destroy Pep, yet Yaya hasn't done so. Instead he just seems to want to feck Pep over for a bit with baseless comments.

I disagree he has the label. Actually its Yaya who is coming out worst from this.

I’ll ask a question if there is no proof is it fair someone suffering abuse should be quiet?

I agree with you about society but that something that needs fixing instead of forcing the victims to keep quiet until the have proof
 
Would that be the golden player at that particular competition?

In 2017 that was Christian Mougang Bassogog.
Kinda lost here.. Just saying he was highlighting an issue people have been complaining about for years..ignoring the hypocrisy.
 
I disagree he has the label. Actually its Yaya who is coming out worst from this.

I’ll ask a question if there is no proof is it fair someone suffering abuse should be quiet?

I agree with you about society but that something that needs fixing instead of forcing the victims to keep quiet until the have proof

No, it is not fair.

But if there is no proof, how do we differentiate the people who are being quiet out of fear, from the people who are accusing everybody of every crime?
 
Parts of south america are just as poor as some parts of africa but they still produce more frequently better players, the likes of Cavani and Suarez from Uruguay then Sanchez and Vidal of Chile - its strange .

Bad examples as those countries are actually the richest in South America :lol:. South America as a whole is still a lot better off economically than Africa. Football in south America simply has more funding even at grassroots level.
 
Remember that Pep is a Catalan nationalist. It wouldn't be that far-fetched if he was a bit xenophobic.
It's funny how the media ignore this, imagine if he was an English nationalist.
 
@MJJ



Try quoting the entire sentence - taking particular notice of the if/when part - rather than pasting in the convenient parts. Thanks.

The way you wrote it suggests that you are convinced he is a racist and toure might reveal it but I will put it down to poor sentence structure.
 
No, it is not fair.

But if there is no proof, how do we differentiate the people who are being quiet out of fear, from the people who are accusing everybody of every crime?

The same way most people do not believe Yaya today (and wont until he provides sufficient evidence) due to the fact he has been quick to throw around accusations in the past which have been baseless.
 
The way you wrote it suggests that you are convinced he is a racist and toure might reveal it but I will put it down to poor sentence structure.

As overstatements go this is right up there with the best of them. Really, well played.

I Have to ask though, how did you draw that conclusion from the following quote?

Gonna laugh so hard when/if Toure pulls some damning evidence out of the hat, revealing Pep for the fraudulent racist that he is
 
If you have to resort to Jack Wilshire and Jesse Lingard as shining examples of technical English players over the last 30 years then I think that proves the point...

I was pretty clear in the original comment it was nothing to do with race. Some places teach different things. Pep, a Spaniard, who spent his career in Spain, prefers skills more often found in Spanish players and South Americans. Shock horror.
What point that has been proved is that you're a bigot
 
As overstatements go this is right up there with the best of them. Really, well played.

I Have to ask though, how did you draw that conclusion from the following quote?

Revealing pep for the fraudalant racist that he is states that he is a racist and you will laugh hard when or if toure reveals it.
 
The same way most people do not believe Yaya today (and wont until he provides sufficient evidence) due to the fact he has been quick to throw around accusations in the past which have been baseless.

So yes past character does play a big part in whether people believe you or not. Unfortunately for Yaya he has a history for blowing a little bit of smoke. So yeah, it is understandable that a lot of us are skeptical until Pep actually is proven guilty.

If it was someone like Drogba or Seedorf making these accusations, I'm more inclined to be a believer. Even then, I'm the sort of person who would require proof before condemning someone and that is a belief that I hold strongly.
 
I disagree he has the label. Actually its Yaya who is coming out worst from this.

I’ll ask a question if there is no proof is it fair someone suffering abuse should be quiet?

I agree with you about society but that something that needs fixing instead of forcing the victims to keep quiet until the have proof


This makes virtually no sense at all, then you would have people coming out and claiming abuse with no evidence other than 'I say so' in all sorts of scenarios.

Marriage settlements? I was abused racially by my spouse, no of course I dont have evidence, but it isnt needed so w/e. If you are having trouble acquiring said evidence there is probably a very simple explanation for this.
 
This makes virtually no sense at all, then you would have people coming out and claiming abuse with no evidence other than 'I say so' in all sorts of scenarios.

Marriage settlements? I was abused racially by my spouse, no of course I dont have evidence, but it isnt needed so w/e. If you are having trouble acquiring said evidence there is probably a very simple explanation for this.

It happens already. Lawyers tell their female clients to make up accusations of abuse to gain leverage in child custody battles.
 
Revealing pep for the fraudalant racist that he is states that he is a racist and you will laugh hard when or if toure reveals it.

I was of the same impression as MJJ with your quote tbh.

The 'when/if' part didn't alter that perception at any point, then?

This is stupid anyway. Let's just wait and see with Yaya has to say.
 
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Kinda lost here.. Just saying he was highlighting an issue people have been complaining about for years..ignoring the hypocrisy.
Why are we ignoring the hypocrisy?
 
It happens already. Lawyers tell their female clients to make up accusations of abuse to gain leverage in child custody battles.

Oh I was just using marriage as an example off hand, this could manifest virtually anywhere. Fired from work? Actually no my employer racially abused me, evidence? None needed, suffice to say he/she is a raging racist. Arrested for a crime? The target of the crime racially abused me, thought the racist was getting what he/she deserves, any proof they are racist? Nahh not required, just my say so.
 
What irony? That you should be able to accuse someone of racism without substantial evidence aswell?

I accused others of assuming Toure is lying before the guy had a chance to say his piece. Then I get accused of presuming Pep to be guilty before he had the chance to prove himself innocent - in the very same post no less.
 
I think the true star of this thread is Dimitri Seluk. What a fecking legend. Raiola has nothing on him.
 
Remember that Pep is a Catalan nationalist. It wouldn't be that far-fetched if he was a bit xenophobic.
It's funny how the media ignore this, imagine if he was an English nationalist.

Shhh, too much sense.

Guardiola being a fervent nationalist and open supporter of politicians who have long track records of racist comments shouldn't be mentioned here...

It's clearly the black African guy being 'crazy', again, tut, race-card, etc.
 
I accused others of assuming Toure is lying before the guy had a chance to say his piece. Then I get accused of presuming Pep to be guilty before he had the chance to prove himself innocent - in the very same post no less.
Yes, because of the way you phrased it. I don't get how you're not seeing it and english isn't even my first language. It's all semantics though, fair enough if you didn't mean it like that. Then it's best to move on I think.
 
Oh I was just using marriage as an example off hand, this could manifest virtually anywhere. Fired from work? Actually no my employer racially abused me, evidence? None needed, suffice to say he/she is a raging racist. Arrested for a crime? The target of the crime racially abused me, thought the racist was getting what he/she deserves, any proof they are racist? Nahh not required, just my say so.

Already happens at work as well :nervous:

The work environment has changed so everyone is walking on egg shells, just to prevent someone from being offended or harassed.
 
Remember when he insinuated the voters of the CAF player of the year were biased towards Africans born and brought up abroad, when Aubameyang won the award in 2016?

Despite the fact that Toure himself had won the award for the previous four years!
Exactly. The man is not 100% sane, that was a year Aubameyand scored so many goals too.
 
So yes past character does play a big part in whether people believe you or not. Unfortunately for Yaya he has a history for blowing a little bit of smoke. So yeah, it is understandable that a lot of us are skeptical until Pep actually is proven guilty.

If it was someone like Drogba or Seedorf making these accusations, I'm more inclined to be a believer. Even then, I'm the sort of person who would require proof before condemning someone and that is a belief that I hold strongly.
But isnt that what I said. Action or consequences shouldnt come without proof. But people should most certainly speak out as it happens and not wait for proof
 
Then it's best to move on I think.
He tried to didn't he? I don't even know the guy but I'm amused at peeps pulling him up for having 'picked a side', while themselves, picking a side.