Yaya Touré: "I want to destroy the Pep myth" (France Football interview)

If he has proof, by all means hang Pep from a tree, but he should have something to back up this accusation, since it's very serious.

Fact that he threw a fit over the birthday cake doesn't work in his favour, but being a cnut doesn't mean this can't be true.
 
The way Toure describes Pep is similar in ways to how Zlatan describes him in his book.

Quite passive aggressive. Won't say anything but creates a tense atmosphere.

Funniest bit in Zlatans book is when he said he threw all Peps stuff about in his office, and Pep just picked it all up and put it back.
 
Treble said:
WHY did Fergie not have important black African players? Because it just happened that he didn't sign such players. Not because he had something against such players.
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No one has said he did, which is why him being part of the conversation is irrelevant. Pep has had 2/3 important black African players, and a few other not so important.
 
Denis79 said:
Where there's smoke there's fire. Eto


Exactly, Eto had some things to say about Pep aswell. This shouldn't be dismissed as bullshit without hearing him out.
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I know Eto'o describes Pep as a cnut and I tend to agree but I don't remember him insinuating anything racial.
He simply said Pep lacked respect and was scared of players with personalities.
 
Just read the Guardian article. Until Guardiola manages a club in Africa, the first quote is irrelevant as you can apply it to any manager in Europe.

He will never admit it. But the day he will line up a team in which we find five Africans, not naturalised, I promise I will send him a cake.
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The rest of the article is the usual Touré throwing toys out of the pram and then whinging that he doesn’t have any toys.
 
kouroux said:
Exactly :D



The man making accusations doesn't make much sense tbh. I think he's confusing being African and being black because otherwise how can you justify the countless of black players Guardiola has played and trusted over the years ? I suppose Pep could actually be racist for all we know but it's innocent until proven guilty and what he has done makes it impossible to prove without a doubt he is racist.
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Racism- the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Simplistic view I grant you, but even if you take it as a broad definition, the accusations don't have any validity. He hasn't actively discriminated against any black player in player selection,purchases or treatment.

Toure sounds like he's using the 'race' argument as he has nothing else to beat Pep with. It's sad and pathetic really and taints Pep as these things have a habit of raising doubts
 
Anybody got their hands on the actual interview in english?
 
"I want to destroy the Pep myth" - Alludes to him being racist

It just reeks of sours grapes. Call him out if he has been racist but seeking out to destroy his reputation (Pep is not exactly regarded highly as having a reputation of being very close with his players) is a big red flag
 
Quality comments from his agent on the Manchester Evening News:

“God sees everything. As a man who acted with Yaya, the legend of the club, which under different pretexts did not give the opportunity to go on the field," he said.

"He turned all Africa against himself, many African fans turned away from Manchester City. And I’m sure that many African shamans in the future will not allow Guardiola to win the Champions League."

“Yaya always played as number 42. We chose this number as the age in which he will finish with football. After Guardiola in the next two or three years will not win the Champions League with Manchester City he will be kicked out, perhaps Yaya will return to the club, and in any capacity."

“The fact that Guardiola ended Yaya’s career in Manchester City is not even a mistake, but a crime. But the boomerang will return, Pep. You will still see what the African shamans are. Remember this always."
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Disrespectful talking about the inventor of football like that.
 
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
 
So no proof whatsoever, just sour and a lot of bullshit, how that shit even deserve article in serious newspapers. So easy to accuse someone about anything without any proof this days, dont care for Pep but this is just disgusting. Accusing guy that he is racist because he didn't play him last season even though his stats were better than others, Jesus Christ
 
11101 said:
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
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TL;DR "African players aren't intelligent footballers."
 
11101 said:
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
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So much wrong with this post, considering Toure himself is a very technically gifted player too.
 
mu4c_20le said:
So eto, ibra and yaya are fools? I mean yaya and his agent say foolish things but hes still a beast on the pitch, and has won city many points this year despite his limited appearances, and contributed to citys record beating season. Fergie would have found a way to deal with those egos.
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Is that what I said?

He moved on those players and then went on to have huge success. They presumably didn't fit the idea of the football he wanted to play. Managers, move on players all the time - especially those that play a specific system, of which he is one. Eto'o as an example was moved on and Messi moved forward into the "false 9" position. Was that not a good decision? He took a good team under Rijkaard and took them to a new level. To do that he did what all managers do and put his own stamp on it. Some left, some came in, it was then his team and they played his way.

The Fergie comment is just bizarre. Fergie moved on players when he wanted to go in a different direction. He did it numerous times and he would have done it with Rooney had he not retired when he did.

Toure is past it and Guardiola has better at his disposal. That's why he's moved him on and lots of managers would have done exactly the same given the squad he has.
 
Big Chomp said:
Liam is a much interesting and funnier blocke to listen to .
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All about opinions of course but I’m with you on this. Having met them both at Watford away some years back during the Keegan promotion season, Liam was happy enough chatting to us, whereas Noel was a lot more withdrawn. Now I understand famous people don’t like to be mithered 24/7 but we were just having a laugh and a bit of a chat. I get the impression Noel is aloof and tries to be someone he’s not, while Liam hasn’t forgotten where he’s come from and although changing responsibilities means he’s had to change his lifestyle to suit, he still wants to be one of the lads and go out for a pint when the opportunity allows.
 
11101 said:
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
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If you had left out "tends to be African players" and just gone with Pep doesn't fancy Toure as a player, it would have been fine. But that remark is pretty diabolical. I think it may tend to be the idea some people have of African players, which is not an accurate view of players from one of the world's continents.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Racism- the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Simplistic view I grant you, but even if you take it as a broad definition, the accusations don't have any validity. He hasn't actively discriminated against any black player in player selection,purchases or treatment.

Toure sounds like he's using the 'race' argument as he has nothing else to beat Pep with. It's sad and pathetic really and taints Pep as these things have a habit of raising doubts
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I defo agree with you. Pep isn't racist, he just wants submissive players
 
11101 said:
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
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Wtf, he has fallen out with player of smaller statures and whose game are based on skills too
 
I noted he’s said ‘African’ and not black players. Smacks of sour grapes but City have a big stock of those gathered over the years stored next to their ‘Premier league Champions 2016-17’ tee shirts, and FA Cup winners the year Wigan beat them.

Yaya and his agent should just be ignored.
 
Donovan_red7 said:
These might just be the best comments I’ve ever seen an agent make against a club. Raiola needs to up his game and start mentioning the Italian mafia to compete with the shamans :lol:
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I'm in a state of shock after reading that.

I can't actually believe it's real

"A legend of the club" its like I'm taking crazy pills is anyone sane anymore
 
CA1 said:
He once didn't like a white man isn't really how racism works.

Yaya Toure wouldn't consider himself the same race as Fernandinho or Sterling. That's a touchy subject but it's true. Toure will identify himself as a "Black African" he will take absolute pride in that.
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And the like of Abidal, Keita or Mendy will not? Correct me if I am wrong but are they not of African decent? There is only so much weight your birth country plays. Zidane was well aware of his north African heritage and was often seen playing football in the street with them while in Turin. Many French African players also take pride in it. Pogba and his family often wear the traditional garb.
 
11101 said:
I take it to be pretty obvious that Pep doesn't like players whose physical attributes form a big part of their game, and that tends to be African players amongst others. He prefers players who play in a more technical manner, and they are typically Spanish or South American. Toure being a bit of an idiot just assumes that means he must be racist.
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African players aren't technically gifted?

Let's just play to the 1960s and 70s racial stereotype shall we?
 
Yaya was a great player and a big guy, however deep inside he is a kid, same with Pogba. Thats why there are problems with this kind of players. Scholes may have looked like a kid but he was 10x more mature.
 
Isn't the accepted culture in society to believe the accuser at face value rather than needing proof (i.e. burden of proof is on the accused)? Like the #metoo campaign?
 
Bastian said:
If you had left out "tends to be African players" and just gone with Pep doesn't fancy Toure as a player, it would have been fine. But that remark is pretty diabolical. I think it may tend to be the idea some people have of African players, which is not an accurate view of players from one of the world's continents.
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People from different parts of the world are taught to play in different ways. English players lack technical skills compared to the Spanish. So do many Northern European players, African players etc. It's nothing to do with race, its just how you are taught to play, and Pep has a clear preference for players with that type of skillset. Mourinho for example values a different set of skills in his players.
 
Donovan_red7 said:
These might just be the best comments I’ve ever seen an agent make against a club. Raiola needs to up his game and start mentioning the Italian mafia to compete with the shamans :lol:
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Italian Mafia? It’s Pep not Morata.
 
11101 said:
People from different parts of the world are taught to play in different ways. English players lack technical skills compared to the Spanish. So do many Northern European players, African players etc. It's nothing to do with race, and Pep has a clear preference for players with that type of skillset. Mourinho for example values a different set of skills in his players.
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Gascoigne,Waddle,Beardsley,Barnes,Wilshire,Lingard etc...

If it's nothing to do with race, why make such a glib remark?
 
As far as I'm aware, of the many, many players he's managed from many, many countries Yaya is the only one to date to play the racist card? Therefore, he needs to show the proof, otherwise it's hearsay and comes across as him deliberately using a highly derogatory claim requiring little evidence to tarnish Pep's reputation out of spite.
 
Denis79 said:
Where there's smoke there's fire. Eto


Exactly, Eto had some things to say about Pep aswell. This shouldn't be dismissed as bullshit without hearing him out.
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I really dislike the saying 'no smoke without fire'. It's often used to smear innocent people.

I can't say whether or not there's any truth in the accusations yet but remember Toure's completely weird comments about Aubameyang winning the African Player of the Year?

“I’m very, very disappointed. It’s sad to see Africa react this way, that they don’t think African achievements are important.

I think this is what brings shame to Africa, because to act in that way is indecent. But what can we do about it? Us Africans, we don’t show that Africa is important in our eyes. We favour more what’s abroad than our own continent. That is pathetic.”

That shows someone with a pretty odd view of the world, like the incident with the birthday cake. Which doesn't mean that bad things don't happen to him, of course, but he seems to take things that disappoint him as evidence of persecution.
 
It's not completely beyond the realms of possibility that an African player would get the rough end of the deal at a particular club, given the lazy perception of them in the football media. Whether we like it or not, what the media says and believes often filters through to the public and, by extension, into the corridors of training grounds and dressing rooms at the top of the game.

But these claims from Yaya don't seem to have much basis in fact, and it's sad that he's either felt the need to do this or been pushed into doing it. After that summer in 2014 where it seemed as though he might leave, he worked hard to get back into everyone's good books, and the send-off that we gave him seemed to put all the negativity to bed for the majority of the fanbase. Sadly, the timing of this interview means there's no way back in for him now, and his final moment as a City player will be him burning a million bridges on his way out.

Seluk's comments have added a touch of tactless, surreal comedy to the situation, though. Regardless of how much evidence there is behind Yaya's claims about Pep, we've gone from Yaya thinking his skin colour was held against him (not totally out of the realms of possibility, as I said) to his agent loudly declaring that an African shaman will curse Pep, ensuring that he never wins another Champions League trophy. Like, what on earth are they aiming to achieve with this? The only reason I can dig up is that both Yaya and Seluk know that his best days are behind him, so they're blaming his lack of appearances on something other than Yaya simply being 35 so they can land him a last big payday.
 
Impossible for anyone to know if it's true or not. Hope it's not, obviously.

That said, with the responses in this thread, it's no wonder many people still find it hard to tell about racist abuse and that it's still so wide spread. I mean, imagine if a black kid was wondering whether to tell someone about the bigoted cnuts that say snide, little racist remarks at him every day at school, and he then read through this.

Even if it is untrue, surely some evidence needs to be provided before you all call Toure a liar.
 
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