I like both Sandro and Livermore (of the bit I've seen of him). Is Yann M'Villa good at playmaking? Reckon they need someone who can do that.
Yann M’Vila
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This will be my second season predicting it.
From what I've seen and read he isn't a play maker at all, straight up holding midfield player who is a very competent passer of the ball.
Like you say a bit odd they are going for him as they have Parker and Sandro who can play that role well enough for them. I hear they might lose Van der Vaart as well so you would think creativity would be their priority in a player.
Is this lad currently fit or what the story? I cant seem to find anything on the net? Im having a raging argument with a mate who thinks his leg is still broken but Im almost certain he went to the Euro's with the french squad.
He broke his leg? I had no idea about that but he definitely played in the Euros.
No. He suffered an injury 10days before the Euros and subsequently missed their first game. But he played in the other games.
As far as I know he should be match fit at the moment.
You both need to get out more.
you need to feck off more
only messing with ya fella.He reckon he knows his onions about footie but I just love to correct him when I know hes clearly wrong ''he broke his leg he difinately didnt play in the euros, he is still injured, I will put £10 on it''
Thats me £10 up
Heard he has been dropped from the Rennes first team as well as the French national team and been playing for the U21 French team. Today Rennes have suspended him after him along with other players were caught out partying before an U21 game which they lost.
Quite the fall from grace, even when we were supposedly in for him there were rumours that Wenger's interest faded as he heard about his poor attitude but wasn't sure if people were just covering their back as they said he would sign. Could be something in that or most likely we weren't in for him this summer!
Quite the fall from grace, even when we were supposedly in for him there were rumours that Wenger's interest faded as he heard about his poor attitude but wasn't sure if people were just covering their back as they said he would sign. Could be something in that or most likely we weren't in for him this summer!
He obviously is talented, but it's clear that he has some serious attitude issues. His fall from grace in the last year or so has been unbelievable. He was recently demoted to French U21 and was rated 2 by L'equipe for the recent match against Norway.
I was a little bit surprised that he hasn't been signed by anyone this summer, but makes sense now.
I was a little bit surprised that he hasn't been signed by anyone this summer, but makes sense now.
Wenger's interest faded probably because the asking price for M'Vila would have been too much from Rennes.It turns out that for other reasons he was right to stay away from M'Vila, really disappointed by this kid.I thought he was special but he's just another fecking idiot of a footballer.
Knowing how the french fans and FA expect an exemplary behavior from the players since the WC2010 , you cannot go out partying a few days ago before a crucial return leg and pose for pictures for everyone to see
I think he'll come good.
Immense pressure was heaped on him at one point: starter in a French team that just wouldn't click and captain of his Rennes side where his coach, Antonetti, would not give him a rest. He had an amazing breakthrough season, but the follow-up was difficult as opposing teams set up to nullify him (how many teams actually set up to nullify a DM?). People said he had an awful season, when it wasn't actually that bad according to those who watched him in every game (even though they'll admit it wasn't as good as it could have been), and then the "attitude problems" came up. While I don't believe there's any smoke without fire, I think they're a bit exagerated, from what I hear.
In any case, he plays in a position where he'll only get better with age, experience and maturity, and from what I've seen, I think he has the potential to be amongst the very best. He's still quite young. A lot of people are seeing this season as his "reset" season, going back to the U21s isn't such a bad thing as it will maybe help him refocus.
Don't think it's fair to completely give up on him quite yet.
Immense pressure was heaped on him at one point: starter in a French team that just wouldn't click and captain of his Rennes side where his coach, Antonetti, would not give him a rest. He had an amazing breakthrough season, but the follow-up was difficult as opposing teams set up to nullify him (how many teams actually set up to nullify a DM?). People said he had an awful season, when it wasn't actually that bad according to those who watched him in every game (even though they'll admit it wasn't as good as it could have been), and then the "attitude problems" came up. While I don't believe there's any smoke without fire, I think they're a bit exagerated, from what I hear.
In any case, he plays in a position where he'll only get better with age, experience and maturity, and from what I've seen, I think he has the potential to be amongst the very best. He's still quite young. A lot of people are seeing this season as his "reset" season, going back to the U21s isn't such a bad thing as it will maybe help him refocus.
Don't think it's fair to completely give up on him quite yet.
Going back to the U21 only made him do a stupid thing and play averagely so far.He should have stood out from the rest
I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight, and going to a night club in between two important matches was utterly stupid (which is surprising from him, as he seems like a pretty mature guy). Actually must salute Rennes' approach, a lot of clubs would've just brushed it under the carpet, the fact they punished him is a good stance I think.
In any case, I think this season will be important for him, especially from a psychological point of view, as I said almost a restart season.
In any case, I think this season will be important for him, especially from a psychological point of view, as I said almost a restart season.
Time for us to put in a bid. Move him to a new country with a legendary disciplinarian as manager, at a top club with a huge gaping hole in his position. It's perfect.
I saw a fair bit of him last year and he is absolutely the type of player we need in our squad.
I saw a fair bit of him last year and he is absolutely the type of player we need in our squad.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/90/france/2012/11/08/3512636/breaking-news-mvila-suspended-from-france-national-team?source=breakingnews
Yann M'Vila has been suspended from the France national set-up until 2014, the French Football Federation (FFF) have confirmed in a statement.
Very harsh IMO.
Yann M'Vila has been suspended from the France national set-up until 2014, the French Football Federation (FFF) have confirmed in a statement.
Very harsh IMO.
What a stupid punishment.
He'll have a good 4 months at a top club and the ban will be lifted.. What a dumb ban.
Crazy suspension , thought the FA were bad.
He's been shite for a while. They won't miss him.
Bit overboard with the punishment. Though can see it being reduced.
Why was his punishment longer than the other couple of players?
Why was his punishment longer than the other couple of players?
I remember reading about him being so out of form, the coach had to bench him. Did he ever regain that form? Six months left on his contract apparently.
Yep, one of the fastest/biggest hero to zero youngsters in football in a long time. Apparently his attitude has killed off a lot of potential suitors.
Any French Ligue followers with a update?
Any French Ligue followers with a update?
thought I remember hearing the manager banished him to the reserves for the rest of the season (if not his contract) - something along the lines of "He'll never feature in the first team as long as I'm here"
Little motivation to change his form/attitude as well, already banned from the France 2014 WC squad.
Can't believe, he's somehow turning into Djemba-Djemba... The guy with that tactical sense and strength should only improve.
Maybe the new league, new club and new manager will get him on the right track.
Maybe the new league, new club and new manager will get him on the right track.
On his way to arse.
Twitter rumors so far. Nothing more.
It'd be more helpful if posters post the news story or atleast a story rather than posting based on twitter.
It'd be more helpful if posters post the news story or atleast a story rather than posting based on twitter.
Gotta take the manager's (Antonetti) comments with a pinch of salt: he's a very mouthy guy in the media and often says stuff he seems to have forgotten two days later.
However, 2012 was a dreadful, dreadful year for M'Vila. Basically, he went through what so many other promising young players have, that is to say built up to an incredible stature, he was almost given the keys to France's midfield at one point, and then completely collapsed. He seemed completely unable to handle the pressure.
His breakthrough season, at the end of which so much was said about him, and when he got his spot in the France senior side, was very good and he showed great maturity (on the pitch) in his position. Then, all the France squad talk carried on, and in the follow up season (last year), he had to face two problems: opposition players were setting up to counter him (a DM for Christ's sake! He often had 2 players man marking him) and Antonetti burned him out. He NEVER gave him a bit of a rest, even though he was still a young player developping.
Then the fall from grace, with different less than savoury stories (beating up a prostitute I think, the escapade to go to a night club a couple of days before an important game with the under 21s France side...) which resulted in a huge banning from the France uniform (until end of June 2014). Then his club more or less wanted to punish him as well, I didn't quite follow that, in any case he's in limbo at the moment.
I'm not quite sure he'll bounce back from all this, it seems like he's a troubled guy who'd need a strong father figure as a coach to guide him back to the heights he'd achieved (all the hype wasn't a coincidence, the guy's a beast at his best), I think Wenger or SAF would be perfect. But at this point, it's a bit of a gamble, who knows whether he'll manage to get over all he's been through.
Rooney in Paris, do you reckon his decline in form and favour over the last year or so means he'd be available at a cut price? Strikes me as vintage Wenger (attitude issues have never been a problem for him the way they are for Fergie - RVP is a good example of that), but when he was playing well he seemed like exactly the sort of player we needed, someone who could play either alongside Carrick or instead of him.
I remember when I was back in the newbies, it was the summer we were heavily linked to Sneijder, I believed he was THE signing we needed, the one who'd make a lot of things tick in midfield. Turns out I wasn't quite aware of all his off-field problems (and he has a few), he seems so mature when on the field that I assumed he was a no-problem guy. I was dead wrong.
To answer your question, yes, definitely, if he was to leave Rennes now, it'd be at a discount price, nothing like the numbers bandied around a year or so ago. In my opinion, he's still an interesting prospect, but whereas 18 months ago I would've said that with proper development (like not burning him out by overusing him notably) he was a dead cert to be world class, now I think it's a big big gamble. I don't think in England you're quite aware of what the media have put him through (this isn't criticism, obviously you wouldn't know as I often don't quite grasp the enormity of certain media coverage in the UK), but they really destroyed him. He was basically made a scapegoat for all the French feel is bad about football. There was an interesting piece in the latest 'So Foot' (a good football magazine over here) that analyzed the French's rapport to football, which isn't the same at all as in England.
Anyway, I'm rambling on, cause I feel really sorry for the guy. Well to a certain extent, cause he's also responsible for a lot of it. But to me, the way he was treated by the media and the French FA is the result of 10 years of malaise and a weird ballet between the French and football.
To answer your question, yes, definitely, if he was to leave Rennes now, it'd be at a discount price, nothing like the numbers bandied around a year or so ago. In my opinion, he's still an interesting prospect, but whereas 18 months ago I would've said that with proper development (like not burning him out by overusing him notably) he was a dead cert to be world class, now I think it's a big big gamble. I don't think in England you're quite aware of what the media have put him through (this isn't criticism, obviously you wouldn't know as I often don't quite grasp the enormity of certain media coverage in the UK), but they really destroyed him. He was basically made a scapegoat for all the French feel is bad about football. There was an interesting piece in the latest 'So Foot' (a good football magazine over here) that analyzed the French's rapport to football, which isn't the same at all as in England.
Anyway, I'm rambling on, cause I feel really sorry for the guy. Well to a certain extent, cause he's also responsible for a lot of it. But to me, the way he was treated by the media and the French FA is the result of 10 years of malaise and a weird ballet between the French and football.
I remember when M'Villa was one of the transfer forums favourites. Seems he's had a massive drop. There's been so many midfield prospects lauded on the Caf over the last 3 or 4 years who have not progressed or who have had their careers stall for numerous reasons. The likes of Banega, Veloso, Moutinho, Sahin, M'Villa, Ramsey(we tried for that one) have all heralded as signings who would sort the midfield and who for whatver reason have not quite fulfilled their promise. There's been people who wanted Barton and Parker as well. Add to that that there has been a genuine lack of talented British midfielders(other than Wilshire and Cleverley) and you can see there has not been plenty of options to buy.
This for me shows how little genuine quality there's been in the transfer market for midfielders over the last couple of years. The players who would have improved us hugely we would never have signed(e.g. Toure and Modric this summer) or are not available(Barca & real players plus Schweinstieger). The only one who I think we missed out by not chasing is Ramires(who I think would be perfect for United) but there's not been loads of choice. Something that is missed on the CAF sometimes.
Thinking about it, my biggest regret with our central midfield is not keeping hold of Pogba rather than the failure to sign anyone in particular. Pogba in our squad with Scholes soon to retire would look very healthy just about now. Shows Fergie's planning not been as bad here as is often made out.
This for me shows how little genuine quality there's been in the transfer market for midfielders over the last couple of years. The players who would have improved us hugely we would never have signed(e.g. Toure and Modric this summer) or are not available(Barca & real players plus Schweinstieger). The only one who I think we missed out by not chasing is Ramires(who I think would be perfect for United) but there's not been loads of choice. Something that is missed on the CAF sometimes.
Thinking about it, my biggest regret with our central midfield is not keeping hold of Pogba rather than the failure to sign anyone in particular. Pogba in our squad with Scholes soon to retire would look very healthy just about now. Shows Fergie's planning not been as bad here as is often made out.
Vidal,pirlo,gundagon,hamsik,boateng,montolivo,Dembele,Sandro.
Off the top of my head. All of them would have added something to our midfield and were all available(except hamsik) for an affordable price.
He's been traited unfairly. 2 years for going to a club 3 days before an important game is bad, but the punishment is crazy. The french FA is an embarassing.
I'd be very happy if we could get him. But that ain't happening
It's not like we haven't had a decent time with wronged Frenchmen here
Go on Fergie.
Don't know about Gunadagon so can't comment on him.
Honestly don't think Vidal, Montolivio, Boateng or Sandro are better than what we already have.
I'd have happily had United go for Dembele but again he is similar type of player to Anderson.
Pirlo would have been pointless as he is the same type of player and age as Scholes and Hamsik would have cost big money.
With the greatest respect to those players I don't think any of them bar Pirlo(whose on his way out) and possibly Hamsik are top class.
Disagree - Sandro is easily good enough for your team (and better than what you have)
Hard to judge that given that we don't really have a player like him, except possibly Fletcher who doesn't feature much. Carrick has a similar-ish role, but plays it so differently that you can't fairly compare the two. If you could, I highly doubt Sandro is playing better than Carrick is right now.
Cheers RiP, good info.
I don't think Sandro is better than Carrick. I don't doubt he's good enough for the squad but the complaint with the midfield always been we needed better than what we had.