Considering Rashford only get 6.3 rating in his performance thread, I'd say at 5.6 Weghorst has done really well
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The workrate of the guy is so good that you're willing him to score at the moment. You can't help but like a player who busts a gut for the sake of the team.
Not being a big goalscorer isn't necessarily a problem in his position - Firmino was only scoring about 10 league goals a season even when he was part of the best attacking trio in the league.
Unfortunately, Weghurst looks like even 10 league goals would be beyond him. If he'd slotted away those chances vs Barca and Leicester, then you might feel like he was at least good enough to justify a longer term contract as a backup. But while a low scoring number 10 is one thing, a no-scoring number 10 is something very different.
Not being a big goalscorer isn't necessarily a problem in his position - Firmino was only scoring about 10 league goals a season even when he was part of the best attacking trio in the league.
Unfortunately, Weghurst looks like even 10 league goals would be beyond him. If he'd slotted away those chances vs Barca and Leicester, then you might feel like he was at least good enough to justify a longer term contract as a backup. But while a low scoring number 10 is one thing, a no-scoring number 10 is something very different.
I wonder what the odds are for him to score more goals than Felix this season
What's the point though? Wout isn't a player you throw in if you want a late goal. You use him from the start if you want more control over midfield, pressing, energy etc.
The only scenario in which it makes sense is where his our first choice CF like now. But that is emergency.
We are not signing him on permanent deal. We lost 3 strikers in last 12 months, we need quality CF and maybe another prospect but not Weghorst.
And I really like the guy, despite his limitations he's doing good job for us.
The most important ability is availability:
Probably very long. They are level at present although WW is several games/minutes ahead.
I think Weghorst outscoring Varane or something is a fairer bet.
What do you really expect people? Even his name says he is worst (WeghORST) .
Fantastic performance on Sunday. He helped us win a really tough battle.
He’s getting away with some praise because Utd are wining and it’s massively papering over his poor ability.
He brings nothing to the team, apart from being an “honest”, “reliable”, “hard working” player.
He brings nothing to the team, apart from being an “honest”, “reliable”, “hard working” player.
Maybe as a third choice squad player.
I think that's a fair point.
If results stop going our way ETH will be slated for playing him as a 10.
But I love a trier so crack on Wout.
Odd, because the manager and bulk of the players seem to disagree with you. But I am sure you, random internet forum poster, knows more.
You seem to know more to say the bulk of the players disagree with me. Please share the evidence for this? Or maybe you’re a random internet forum poster too!
Weghorst creates the room by a diagonal run, Sancho goes into the space. There are three Leicester players following WW.
Stop your bs no one agrees with your convoluted explanations thst make no sense to anyone.
That’s doesn’t mean much, though, does it?
Ten Hag, like the good manager he is, only speaks positively about individual players publicly. He didn’t even shit on Ronaldo when the latter was being a disruptive influence. So he’s hardly going to shit on a guy who came here on a loan for 6 months and is just doing his best to help the team through a fitness crisis. But that doesn’t mean he rates him. We’re not privy to his thoughts. And everyone else is entitled to their own thoughts on him too. Just because managers know better doesn’t mean they are always right.
Wout is the opposite of Haaland. Doesn't score but we play better with him.
No one? If I can get someone to agree then what? Please look into the mirror. You don't need to admit you're wrong. Just grow up out of "wannabe top red" state. Okay?
Who defended the zone where Sancho scored? Why was Faes behind Sancho? WW has super power teleport Faes to make space for Sancho?
WW makes run from right to left, pulling two/three players away. Sancho goes to the right. Get it now?
Now you're not even sure two or three? Go rewatch and tell us what Faes was doing in the full sequence.
Was Faes not pulled by WW first, then Faes running toward Sancho and being left in dust, for Sancho to score in Faes's LCB defensive zone? Ever heard of zonal defense?
WW makes the run which creates the space for Sancho to receive the ball, he then does a one two with Bruno to lose Faes. The initial pocket of space was created by Wout. A really big one. So, well done Wout. Wout Wout!
The bolded took a while. Faes had the time to go chase after Sancho. Had Faes got back into position to defend his zone instead continuing running after anything move like a hyper puppy, then most of problem prevented (He didn't need to run after Weghorst that far to begin with. It's an offside trap, and onto his partner defensive zone). Sancho one two with Bruno created that space for himself because that space / the defensive zone belong to Faes. No magic aura attack from WW to pull Faes away from goal by then.
So after previous claiming WW pulling 3 players, then 2/3 players, now you just backtracked to only Faes, which was pointed out in my initial post. What was you trying to argue about then? Doing a Faes for "top red" award?
Faes is a terrible defender. I can't believe he's gotten so far
Without the run WW does this chance doesn’t happen and no goal. You can try to argue all day about it but people who know more than you recognize the things he does.
That is why he is playing every game. We could have lined up with Garnacho Rashford Sancho front line, but no.
Later in the game he puts Sancho through on goal. Or do you have some weird ass explanation for that too?
As long as Martial is injured we will see a lot of WW.
He's like the brutalistic Dutch Firmino. Plays a part in the overall cog of the team and embraces his role to the max. There's always players like him in squads and he's just missing the end product of more goals to his name. They'll come at a better rate, but outside of that, he's a everywhere and the players seem to enjoy playing off him.
Back at "people know more than you" argument again? Not gonna cover your ass with previous wild analyze of
It's a basic run professional CF does. It may or may not result goal in other situation. WW has a role (I never denied that. If anyone mind reading my initial post on Sunday). However, Faes's schoolboy defending error is the catalyst of it. Sancho had still a lot to do with the goal. It's not like Sancho hit it first time from Rashford pass, and WW contribution is irreplacable.
The same Faes had his foot wrong (unforced error) in all of the goal, and Dalot missed sitter too. Also countless other errors, like the leading to his yellow after fouling both Rashford and Bruno.
What Weghorst through ball to Sancho had anything to do here? Moving the goal post? Did you not read I said in my initial post, Weghorst had a decent game when weighing the good out of the bad; and after 2-0 Weghorst role grew prominent? Does Fred assist for Rashford's second make it wrong that he was awful especially in first half when passing out deeper in the pitch?
Top red syndrome much? Jump at people pointing out glorified cliche. Just ask for mod for a tag line. No need to work up on that, heh!
So you now admit he had a decent game, that‘s progress.
aye think most if not everyone here agrees he is not very good and is not for long term. I think he knows it himself too.
But at the moment he is better than Martial better than Antony because he is available to play.
He also fulfill a specific role in ETH’s plan so until he leaves ill be cheering him on because unlike other superstars we had, he appreciate the chance of being here gives everything on the pitch.
But at the moment he is better than Martial better than Antony because he is available to play.
He also fulfill a specific role in ETH’s plan so until he leaves ill be cheering him on because unlike other superstars we had, he appreciate the chance of being here gives everything on the pitch.
Reminds me so much of his long locks predecessor, David Luiz in how he gets drawn to the ball and leaves his position all the time !
Has there ever been a player that's made it past 7 on here?Can't complain too much about Wout. He was brought in on a temp contract to cover for Martial.
Man Utd 2:1 Barcelona
I hope that's the end of him starting important games.
He's awful.
The team is better off with:
Rashford
Garnacho - Bruno - Antony
The team is better off with:
Rashford
Garnacho - Bruno - Antony
Surely that's him done as a starter after that
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They are all important games. He should only be used if Utd are 2 or 3 goals ahead and need to rest players for the last 15-20 mins.
He genuinely offers nothing outside of “pressing”. He must stop starting matches
Poor weggy just aint up to it.
We're better w/out weghorst
Imagine, we could play full games like that if we didn't have to wait for Weghorst to be subbed off.
The whole team was instantly better the moment we had a quick, mobile front 4 who are all comfortable on the ball, and not for the first time.
Nothing against him, he's clearly giving it his all, and seems a likeable guy, but he's just not good enough. Not only that, he's not even good at the things you expect a 6ft5 centre forward to be good at. He rarely wins his aerial duels, he gets bullied by guys smaller than him, he's not been particularly useful on defensive set pieces either, his first touch is ropey so you can't play it in to him and expect it to hold up. He is just a runner, and a fairly slow one at that.
The whole team was instantly better the moment we had a quick, mobile front 4 who are all comfortable on the ball, and not for the first time.
Nothing against him, he's clearly giving it his all, and seems a likeable guy, but he's just not good enough. Not only that, he's not even good at the things you expect a 6ft5 centre forward to be good at. He rarely wins his aerial duels, he gets bullied by guys smaller than him, he's not been particularly useful on defensive set pieces either, his first touch is ropey so you can't play it in to him and expect it to hold up. He is just a runner, and a fairly slow one at that.
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