[MadMike]

I appreciate his contribution but he’s a frustrating player to watch for me. I don’t get as enthused as others with a player that works hard and does everything for the team. For me that’s kinda bare minimum in team sport.

He’s technically a level or two below everyone else in that front line. And he’s slow too. But he definitely earns his place in the squad till the end of the season and I’m happy he’s here.

 

[atkar83]

Spider - Horst
Spider - Horst
Does whatever a spider - Horst does,
Can he score a fecking goal
No he can’t, cos he’s a Horst.
Look out, he is a spider- Horst!

 

[ti vu]

From ETH point of view, of course he needs to defend Weghorst. However, ETH is creating a problem for himself by starting Weghorst.

Assessing the third goal first to get it out of the way. Weghorst made a run that professional no 9 should be expected to do. It's tactically well done. However, not irreplaceable in whatever sense. I doubt ETH mean "a target for link up" as focal point of attack because our players don't see him as reliable passing options with how often they ignore a pass to him as we saw in this case too. David Luiz regen made a serious case of him coming close to the real one in headless chicken department. His partner tried to hold his position to play an offside, while he freaked out and followed WW, left a hole middle. Next this guy was drawn out by both Sancho and Bruno. When the ball came back to Sancho to score, he was lured way out of position that embarrassing is understatement.

In another word, IMO he made unforced mistake that help us more than Weghorst basic movement, position did. Weghorst movement at the end of this 3rd move is why he's not scoring more for us: The space was opened up for Sancho. Weghorst had better chance to be receive a pass if he stayed for a ball at far post, behind the CB instead of moving in front of the remaining Leicester CB. It doesn't not count as occupy the CB, because this CB would unlikely move from his point in that situation. So nobody likes to pass to someone who is marked, while they have another free option like Sancho. No amount of pointing to his feet would change that.

While Rashford is important for his victory, I would say this Faes guy is equally most influential in all the sequence leading to our 3 goals.

1. First goal: Unforced mistake, giving possession away needlessly from Weghorst's header. Then positioning weirdly, leaving Rashford freedom to run and take his shot.

2. Second goal: Positioning himself for the offside trap poorly.

3. Third goal: as explained, he was sold by everything, while leaving his defensive zone wide open.

Bonus: Also lost Dalot for his missed sitter (only has one player to mark. Barged into his teammate which slowed himself down in that sequence of play too).

Back to Weghorst, he had a decent game here where his positive edged out his shortcomings. Getting better as Leicester lost the plot. However, when the score is closer, or in the first 20 minutes where Leicester is up and running, Weghorst is almost tactical nobody on the pitch. The pace was too fast. His so called pressing was ineffective, our midfield was outnumbered. He couldn't help tracking runner. He couldn't hold up, or offering an outlet as a runner. If DDG failed to save all those shots until we killed the game, it would be a much more difficult game tactically.

If anything, Weghorst's luck is at all time high. He's benefited from just being there where Rashford hit peak form, Xavi decided to mess with his defensively line up, Faes having a mare, our players injured suspended...

 

[Wheato]

Laughable really and you follow it up with absolute rubbish.

Some of you have standards that belong at teams like Aston Villa. I'm not even sure if you fully read my post and I feel like you just wanted to waste an essay praising Weghorst. I admitted he did half of his job very well but was awful at the other half, how is that not obvious. I also said, if we didn't have Rashford's tremendous finishing bailing him out he would be public enemy No.1 on here. Also a fact.

These are the kind of posts you'd read about Mctominay under Ole. Calling him a beast really makes me question when you started watching football.

Were you actually at the game today?? Because I was.

And I can appreciate the part that players play in a team game. One of the reasons why Rashford is "bailing out" Weghorst, is because Weghorst is dragging defenders all over the place. (Forest, Arsenal, Leeds etc.....) So that others can score.

If you actually watch the games closely, you will see that when Rashford scores, WW has made a run wide, which has given Rashord the space to run into. Go and watch Bruno's goal v Palace away. Weghorst drags 3 defenders with him and Bruno has a clean run on goal.

But you don't need to listen to me, listen to Ten Hag when he explains what WW does. When he presses high up the pitch, we win the ball back in dangerous areas, which leads to goals. Which wins games.

We won 3-0 today and people are still being snide knobs.

 

[RuudTom83]

Since his arrival the attack has started to function more consistently.

Plus, it’s a bonus for EtH that he doesn’t have to chop and change every time Martial is fit for a 30 min run-out.

 

[bond19821982]

From ETH point of view, of course he needs to defend Weghorst. However, ETH is creating a problem for himself by starting Weghorst.

Assessing the third goal first to get it out of the way. Weghorst made a run that professional no 9 should be expected to do. It's tactically well done. However, not irreplaceable in whatever sense. I doubt ETH mean "a target for link up" as focal point of attack because our players don't see him as reliable passing options with how often they ignore a pass to him as we saw in this case too. David Luiz regen made a serious case of him coming close to the real one in headless chicken department. His partner tried to hold his position to play an offside, while he freaked out and followed WW, left a hole middle. Next this guy was drawn out by both Sancho and Bruno. When the ball came back to Sancho to score, he was lured way out of position that embarrassing is understatement.

In another word, IMO he made unforced mistake that help us more than Weghorst basic movement, position did. Weghorst movement at the end of this 3rd move is why he's not scoring more for us: The space was opened up for Sancho. Weghorst had better chance to be receive a pass if he stayed for a ball at far post, behind the CB instead of moving in front of the remaining Leicester CB. It doesn't not count as occupy the CB, because this CB would unlikely move from his point in that situation. So nobody likes to pass to someone who is marked, while they have another free option like Sancho. No amount of pointing to his feet would change that.

While Rashford is important for his victory, I would say this Faes guy is equally most influential in all the sequence leading to our 3 goals.

1. First goal: Unforced mistake, giving possession away needlessly from Weghorst's header. Then positioning weirdly, leaving Rashford freedom to run and take his shot.

2. Second goal: Positioning himself for the offside trap poorly.

3. Third goal: as explained, he was sold by everything, while leaving his defensive zone wide open.

Bonus: Also lost Dalot for his missed sitter (only has one player to mark. Barged into his teammate which slowed himself down in that sequence of play too).

Back to Weghorst, he had a decent game here where his positive edged out his shortcomings. Getting better as Leicester lost the plot. However, when the score is closer, or in the first 20 minutes where Leicester is up and running, Weghorst is almost tactical nobody on the pitch. The pace was too fast. His so called pressing was ineffective, our midfield was outnumbered. He couldn't help tracking runner. He couldn't hold up, or offering an outlet as a runner. If DDG failed to save all those shots until we killed the game, it would be a much more difficult game tactically.

If anything, Weghorst's luck is at all time high. He's benefited from just being there where Rashford hit peak form, Xavi decided to mess with his defensively line up, Faes having a mare, our players injured suspended...

Jeez - now the players want to move according to cafe ? Do you know how silly this sound ? Mate, he played well and he pressed well. He may not be United standard but learn to appreciate the good things. He was good today. He is starting for a reason and I hope ETH stick to it because we are getting the results.

 

[ti vu]

Were you actually at the game today?? Because I was.

And I can appreciate the part that players play in a team game. One of the reasons why Rashford is "bailing out" Weghorst, is because Weghorst is dragging defenders all over the place. (Forest, Arsenal, Leeds etc.....) So that others can score.

If you actually watch the games closely, you will see that when Rashford scores, WW has made a run wide, which has given Rashord the space to run into. Go and watch Bruno's goal v Palace away. Weghorst drags 3 defenders with him and Bruno has a clean run on goal.

But you don't need to listen to me, listen to Ten Hag when he explains what WW does. When he presses high up the pitch, we win the ball back in dangerous areas, which leads to goals. Which wins games.

We won 3-0 today and people are still being snide knobs.

Which goal is it?

 

[The United]

He is a useful player except for scoring goals, which is his purpose. But I can't fault his attitude or work rate, which makes us stronger to press and defend further up in the field. As long as Rashford keeps his scoring form, we should be fine. But if he doesn't, it'll be interesting to see where we'll get our goals from.

Then again, he will have to start scoring at some point, right? With the number of chances he is getting or nearly getting in the box, the law of averages should kick in.

 

[bond19821982]

Do we think ETH will sign him in the summer?

And what would be an acceptable price?

Think we will have better options for the same price range. You are basically looking for a link up target man who can press the entire game. Not exactly a huge ask, right?

 

[ti vu]

Jeez - now the players want to move according to cafe ? Do you know how silly this sound ? Mate, he played well and he pressed well. He may not be United standard but learn to appreciate the good things. He was good today. He is starting for a reason and I hope ETH stick to it because we are getting the results.

Do explain how silly it sounds please because all your argument is result based while ignoring context.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Why do some people behave as if that if we drop this guy then we have 5 others waiting to start in his place . We have pretty much no one else fit on the bench who can take his place . I think when we signed him it was supposed to be a loan that might help us but don’t think ETH would have expected so many games

 

[Borys]

He is doing great job here and very useful with his movement, pressing and fighting for every ball.

But he's really poor at the striker things. Everybody knew this, that's why we paid in peanuts. I have no problem with that, in fact he's very likeable guy so I really hope he scores a few this season, even if this is looking unlikely watching his sliding / shooting technique.

 

[ti vu]

Why do some people behave as if that if we drop this guy then we have 5 others waiting to start in his place . We have pretty much no one else fit on the bench who can take his place . I think when we signed him it was supposed to be a loan that might help us but don’t think ETH would have expected so many games

We may not have 5 options, but we do have alternative not to start him, and shoehorn the team around. Until we went 2-0, this game cried for no.6, which as average as McTominay, his presence and pace would have been appreciated than relying on DDG to keep the ball out of the net. He doesn't lack in effort too. The first 20 minutes, we played as if we're one man down in midfield, and that there was a hole in no 6 position.

After 2-0, Weghorst role grew more prominent, which should. A player that effective in that situation, let us rest our starter, and see the game out.

 

[Tiber]

He does offer something to the team, but Haaland might well score more hatricks in a season than Weghorst scores league goals

 

[NLunited]

From ETH point of view, of course he needs to defend Weghorst. However, ETH is creating a problem for himself by starting Weghorst.

Assessing the third goal first to get it out of the way. Weghorst made a run that professional no 9 should be expected to do. It's tactically well done. However, not irreplaceable in whatever sense. I doubt ETH mean "a target for link up" as focal point of attack because our players don't see him as reliable passing options with how often they ignore a pass to him as we saw in this case too. David Luiz regen made a serious case of him coming close to the real one in headless chicken department. His partner tried to hold his position to play an offside, while he freaked out and followed WW, left a hole middle. Next this guy was drawn out by both Sancho and Bruno. When the ball came back to Sancho to score, he was lured way out of position that embarrassing is understatement.

In another word, IMO he made unforced mistake that help us more than Weghorst basic movement, position did. Weghorst movement at the end of this 3rd move is why he's not scoring more for us: The space was opened up for Sancho. Weghorst had better chance to be receive a pass if he stayed for a ball at far post, behind the CB instead of moving in front of the remaining Leicester CB. It doesn't not count as occupy the CB, because this CB would unlikely move from his point in that situation. So nobody likes to pass to someone who is marked, while they have another free option like Sancho. No amount of pointing to his feet would change that.

While Rashford is important for his victory, I would say this Faes guy is equally most influential in all the sequence leading to our 3 goals.

1. First goal: Unforced mistake, giving possession away needlessly from Weghorst's header. Then positioning weirdly, leaving Rashford freedom to run and take his shot.

2. Second goal: Positioning himself for the offside trap poorly.

3. Third goal: as explained, he was sold by everything, while leaving his defensive zone wide open.

Bonus: Also lost Dalot for his missed sitter (only has one player to mark. Barged into his teammate which slowed himself down in that sequence of play too).

Back to Weghorst, he had a decent game here where his positive edged out his shortcomings. Getting better as Leicester lost the plot. However, when the score is closer, or in the first 20 minutes where Leicester is up and running, Weghorst is almost tactical nobody on the pitch. The pace was too fast. His so called pressing was ineffective, our midfield was outnumbered. He couldn't help tracking runner. He couldn't hold up, or offering an outlet as a runner. If DDG failed to save all those shots until we killed the game, it would be a much more difficult game tactically.

If anything, Weghorst's luck is at all time high. He's benefited from just being there where Rashford hit peak form, Xavi decided to mess with his defensively line up, Faes having a mare, our players injured suspended...

Mate no disrespect but this post is a joke.

First of all, Ten Hag is not going to put anyone on if he does not deserve to be there.

You are bending over backwards to try to explain why WW didn‘t have a good game.
Without errors there would no goals ever.

Some of us can appreciate the hard work Wout does, and he does it very well, for the team, while acknowledging he is not a top striker.

He deserves the goals he undoubtedly will get soon.

 

[bond19821982]

Do explain how silly it sounds please because all your argument is result based while ignoring context.

You are saying Wout should have stayed there without making a run and should have stayed far post. That itself is the probably the silliest thing I have ever heard. The very first thing coaches ask you a forward to do is make a run to the free space and take a defender with you. That's just basics.

United have Bruno and Sancho who thrives on half inverted spaces . You basically want them to occupy that space and that's exactly what we did for third goal. Straight from the training ground.

 

[Wheato]

Which goal is it?

Watch Rashford's goal against Arsenal and Weghorst drags Saliba out of the path of Rashford, giving him space to shoot.

Watch Bruno's goal against Palace. Weghorst takes 3 defenders out wide for Bruno to score.

Watch Sancho's goal today. Weghorst takes the Leicester defence to the near post and Sancho runs in behind to score.

It happens time and time again. But nobody on here seems to notice?

 

[ti vu]

Mate no disrespect but this post is a joke.

First of all, Ten Hag is not going to put anyone on if he does not deserve to be there.

You are bending over backwards to try to explain why WW didn‘t have a good game.
Without errors there would no goals ever.

Some of us can appreciate the hard work Wout does, and he does it very well, for the team, while acknowledging he is not a top striker.

He deserves the goals he undoubtedly will get soon.

I ignored your post before, but let me try to engage here on your "serious" post here.

Explain to me why ETH is infallible. What good reason did he spend all pre season to coach Fred as no 6, played used him there for 1 and half games? McTominay is all bad but it's a non debate he's more suitable for no 6 position over Fred.

Similarly why Maguire started the first two games?

Olise freekick equalizer. What mistake was it? I can't fault DDG, the effort of the wall, or the wall organization.

What mistake did Leeds make for Rashford goal? Or it's simply well worked goal which beat the defense because the quality, speed of the execution?

Try to compare in detail that to Faes mistakes please.

You claimed ETH was a SAF already and has nothing to prove in ETH thread to my post. Look to me like your posts are ETH, manager worship and Not debating in good faith.

 

[tenpoless]

For 2 mill its a great business. Imagine how would the team function without him and Martial out due to injury.

 

[criticalanalysis]

From ETH point of view, of course he needs to defend Weghorst. However, ETH is creating a problem for himself by starting Weghorst.

Assessing the third goal first to get it out of the way. Weghorst made a run that professional no 9 should be expected to do. It's tactically well done. However, not irreplaceable in whatever sense. I doubt ETH mean "a target for link up" as focal point of attack because our players don't see him as reliable passing options with how often they ignore a pass to him as we saw in this case too. David Luiz regen made a serious case of him coming close to the real one in headless chicken department. His partner tried to hold his position to play an offside, while he freaked out and followed WW, left a hole middle. Next this guy was drawn out by both Sancho and Bruno. When the ball came back to Sancho to score, he was lured way out of position that embarrassing is understatement.

In another word, IMO he made unforced mistake that help us more than Weghorst basic movement, position did. Weghorst movement at the end of this 3rd move is why he's not scoring more for us: The space was opened up for Sancho. Weghorst had better chance to be receive a pass if he stayed for a ball at far post, behind the CB instead of moving in front of the remaining Leicester CB. It doesn't not count as occupy the CB, because this CB would unlikely move from his point in that situation. So nobody likes to pass to someone who is marked, while they have another free option like Sancho. No amount of pointing to his feet would change that.

While Rashford is important for his victory, I would say this Faes guy is equally most influential in all the sequence leading to our 3 goals.

1. First goal: Unforced mistake, giving possession away needlessly from Weghorst's header. Then positioning weirdly, leaving Rashford freedom to run and take his shot.

2. Second goal: Positioning himself for the offside trap poorly.

3. Third goal: as explained, he was sold by everything, while leaving his defensive zone wide open.

Bonus: Also lost Dalot for his missed sitter (only has one player to mark. Barged into his teammate which slowed himself down in that sequence of play too).

Back to Weghorst, he had a decent game here where his positive edged out his shortcomings. Getting better as Leicester lost the plot. However, when the score is closer, or in the first 20 minutes where Leicester is up and running, Weghorst is almost tactical nobody on the pitch. The pace was too fast. His so called pressing was ineffective, our midfield was outnumbered. He couldn't help tracking runner. He couldn't hold up, or offering an outlet as a runner. If DDG failed to save all those shots until we killed the game, it would be a much more difficult game tactically.

If anything, Weghorst's luck is at all time high. He's benefited from just being there where Rashford hit peak form, Xavi decided to mess with his defensively line up, Faes having a mare, our players injured suspended...

I think you're being overly critical on Wout but agreed on the point about Faes. He was farcical. Over committing himself to everything and was MVP for us. Truly shocking.

 

[El Jefe]

Were you actually at the game today?? Because I was.

And I can appreciate the part that players play in a team game. One of the reasons why Rashford is "bailing out" Weghorst, is because Weghorst is dragging defenders all over the place. (Forest, Arsenal, Leeds etc.....) So that others can score.

If you actually watch the games closely, you will see that when Rashford scores, WW has made a run wide, which has given Rashord the space to run into. Go and watch Bruno's goal v Palace away. Weghorst drags 3 defenders with him and Bruno has a clean run on goal.

But you don't need to listen to me, listen to Ten Hag when he explains what WW does. When he presses high up the pitch, we win the ball back in dangerous areas, which leads to goals. Which wins games.

We won 3-0 today and people are still being snide knobs.

Weghorst making runs is the bare minimum Rashford scores with or without him being there no need to oversell his importance. Rashford has 16 goals in 17 games, you can put anyone around him and he'll still score. Wasn't it the Leeds game at OT where Weghorst was horrendous and got subbed then Rashford moved up front and scored immediately. Weghorst has precious little to do with Rashford's form.

He's a work horse but make no mistake about it he's being carried in our attack. He's pulling his weight and more off the ball but outside of Rashford this isn't a free scoring team and we are extremely fortunate that Rashford is in the form of his life.

 

[Red Shorts]

Ran his socks off today, but I'm amazed he lacks almost every attribute required to be a striker. No pace, can't shoot, little ball control around the box. Christ he struggles to get his head on the ball most times!

Luckily there is zero chance we will look to buy

 

[gregwar]

It's a loan ffs. He's filling a place in the squad until the end of the season while we're going through a takeover. If Martial wasn't permanently injured he'd be a bench option.

Works hard, links up well, aerial threat (ish), didn't cost us much. He'll be useful until the end of the season. Trust the gaffer lads.

 

[Adamsk7]

He’s out there enjoying himself and giving everything for the team and I think his contribution has been good overall. Yes he isn’t scoring goals but everything else he does really contributes to our current success. He’s actually had quite a few chances so he is also getting in the right positions but his finishing has been poor. However he clearly knows that too so I think once he gets a goal he might chip in with a few more.

Considering it’s a loan and we didn’t have many options, I think it’s been an astute signing again by Erik. He also seems like a genuine decent guy too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays around after this if he’s super cheap - could well be offered a bench role as something bit different. We know ETH does value the big hold up man for some occasions, as he’s employed this tactic at Ajax

 

[Jeffthered]

Mate no disrespect but this post is a joke.

First of all, Ten Hag is not going to put anyone on if he does not deserve to be there.

You are bending over backwards to try to explain why WW didn‘t have a good game.
Without errors there would no goals ever.

Some of us can appreciate the hard work Wout does, and he does it very well, for the team, while acknowledging he is not a top striker.

He deserves the goals undoubtedly will get soon.

Excellent post. ETH is managing Wout v well, and he is important to our team, and has been v important to our recent run of form.

 

[Shane88]

He'll score the winner at Anfield. It'll be his only league goal this season.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Laughable really and you follow it up with absolute rubbish.

Some of you have standards that belong at teams like Aston Villa. I'm not even sure if you fully read my post and I feel like you just wanted to waste an essay praising Weghorst. I admitted he did half of his job very well but was awful at the other half, how is that not obvious. I also said, if we didn't have Rashford's tremendous finishing bailing him out he would be public enemy No.1 on here. Also a fact.

These are the kind of posts you'd read about Mctominay under Ole. Calling him a beast really makes me question when you started watching football.

It's literally the striker version of early McTominay reviews from the Cafe

"He works his socks off! He loves playing for the shirt!"
"He can be a good squad player!"

Yet people want us to compete at the highest level in Europe but think players like those two can be good squad options. Can you imagine Real Madrid trotting out fecking Weghorst if Benzema was injured? Of course not, he's not close to that standard. Every "squad player" we have should be able to offer some sort of positive influence to our play past running a lot. Sabitzer is a great example of a good squad player. Obviously we want to upgrade that position with FDJ or Bellingham, but Sabitzer still brings great technical ability/passing/and defensive work if he's called upon to start.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Were you actually at the game today?? Because I was.

And I can appreciate the part that players play in a team game. One of the reasons why Rashford is "bailing out" Weghorst, is because Weghorst is dragging defenders all over the place. (Forest, Arsenal, Leeds etc.....) So that others can score.

If you actually watch the games closely, you will see that when Rashford scores, WW has made a run wide, which has given Rashord the space to run into. Go and watch Bruno's goal v Palace away. Weghorst drags 3 defenders with him and Bruno has a clean run on goal.

But you don't need to listen to me, listen to Ten Hag when he explains what WW does. When he presses high up the pitch, we win the ball back in dangerous areas, which leads to goals. Which wins games.

We won 3-0 today and people are still being snide knobs.

Literally every striker does this in top level football, especially when playing with an inside forward like Rashford. You act like interchanging movement and pressing are unique skills.

 

[Grande]

Popped by to note that assesments of WWIII are generally off target because people fail to understand what role and position he plays. People going on about ‘we need a proper Striker’, ‘Wout isn’t a top no. 9’, ‘he lacks technique to play in the hole’, bla bla bla.

Wout is playing as a DS, also called a ‘false 6’, and he is perhaps the worlds best in this role.

 

[Blood Mage]

Ten Hag sees football differently to all of us, and tactically he is finding ways to make Weghorst useful even if we can all see the glaring deficiencies in his game.

 

[ti vu]

Watch Rashford's goal against Arsenal and Weghorst drags Saliba out of the path of Rashford, giving him space to shoot.

Watch Bruno's goal against Palace. Weghorst takes 3 defenders out wide for Bruno to score.

Watch Sancho's goal today. Weghorst takes the Leicester defence to the near post and Sancho runs in behind to score.

It happens time and time again. But nobody on here seems to notice?

Okay. Your previous post made it sound like you're talking about this game.

It's quite exergation to say nobody notice all these. The debate is whether all these is irreplaceable, or it's a bare minimum requirement for a CF. In recent developement since about the first 1 combined hour of failed CF task against Leeds, Weghorst was taken off the CF duty, to play deeper.

Having a support run is nice, but credit that Rashford goal for Weghorst run is reaching. That's an (brilliant) individual goal as it is. Arsenal players were all in good position to pressure, and narrow shooting potential. It's more a case of if Rashford wouldn't score, you may have argument about bad decision making not playing Weghorst through?

Weghorst wanted Bruno's pass for himself in Sancho go. He moved to poach and pointed where he wanted the ball. Bruno picked a better option.

The supposed good run ETH talked about is the one outside of the box, when Rashford was on the ball before playing to Sancho (then Sancho combined with Bruno, and the rest).

You are saying Wout should have stayed there without making a run and should have stayed far post. That itself is the probably the silliest thing I have ever heard. The very first thing coaches ask you a forward to do is make a run to the free space and take a defender with you. That's just basics.

United have Bruno and Sancho who thrives on half inverted spaces . You basically want them to occupy that space and that's exactly what we did for third goal. Straight from the training ground.

Maybe you read my post wrong.

The bolded part here is what I said myself. Weghorst made the basic run you should expect from any CF, at the beginning of the sequence of play.

However, at the end, there is no need to occupying the remaining CB (he's not occupying space) there. WW made a obvious poaching run while pointed to where he wanted Bruno to pass to him.

Bruno chose the better option, passing to Sancho in the space, the vacant defensive zone left behind by Faes running around like headless chicken.

I don't argue whether Weghorst shouldn't make the run when Rashford was on ball. What I said is Weghorst poaching position/run is not ideal when there is a chance(The discussion some people have about why our other players didn't pass/cross to Weghorst).

In Sancho goal, at the end, Weghorst would be more likely an attractive option for a pass if he hid his presence, and gambled himself for the far post.

 

[ti vu]

I think you're being overly critical on Wout but agreed on the point about Faes. He was farcical. Over committing himself to everything and was MVP for us. Truly shocking.

Thanks for a fairer response.

I don't say WW had a bad game this game, or he's non contributive in the goal. However, I believe people exaggerating his contribution.

My point is during the toughest, tougher period of the game: Weghorst's contribution is very basic, and the game tended to pass him by even. After 2-0, that is when his contribution is put in good used, and should be his role as a sub. It's not fair to use the period after 2-0 to paint as the whole game contribution because beside the game decider factor like Rashford, Bruno, Faes' nightmare performance, it was a tough then still open game; Weghorst contribution in said period is still not great. His good period, effort, contribution in overall edged out the bad period.

 

[Fortitude]

Hmmm... he has the durability of a carthorse, and that's a compliment. There aren't many players in the entire league who can give that kind of output for 90 minutes game after game after game. You really have to grasp how annoying and tiresome that is for the opposition - he places them in a war of attrition that most CB's and DM's are simply not used to and it pays off greatly for his teammates.

It should be noted how he wears opponents down and eventually, forces the game open as they fatigue and start making mistakes that others in our team are exploiting and swarming all over. If you fail to give him credit for this, you're simply not seeing it, or, you've got your mind made up about the player and don't want to credit him with anything.

In terms of his own game, the closer he gets to goal, the more you see why he's featured at the clubs he has, because he just doesn't have the instincts and awareness of a PL striker expected to tally goals. He's slow, but if he were more aware of where to go and how to position himself to receive the ball, a lot of that would be negated. He doesn't seem to understand he is 6'6" tall and a unit that should be able to shield the ball or contest it in ways few defenders can do anything about. Think Zlatan or Duncan Ferguson and how they could fend off CB's and mostly do as they pleased in terms of shielding the ball. Weghorst doesn't have a clue how to use his body to his own advantage, which is a real shame.

He will keep playing - as he should - because he is a key component in sapping the life out of that opposing central core; we're reaping a lot of benefits as a collective from what he's doing out there. If Martial wasn't a total write-off in terms of fitness, this wouldn't be a discussion, but he is a crock, and in the interim until summer, Weghorst has a key role to play in this side whether people like it or not.

What should also be noted is opposing managers haven't found a way to nullify what Weghorst does - he continues to be effective despite everyone knowing what to expect from him. He's a useful asset and I bet our players give him props acknowledging how much life he breathes into them.

 

[Marcus]

Hmmm... he has the durability of a carthorse, and that's a compliment. There aren't many players in the entire league who can give that kind of output for 90 minutes game after game after game. You really have to grasp how annoying and tiresome that is for the opposition - he places them in a war of attrition that most CB's and DM's are simply not used to and it pays off greatly for his teammates.

It should be noted how he wears opponents down and eventually, forces the game open as they fatigue and start making mistakes that others in our team are exploiting and swarming all over. If you fail to give him credit for this, you're simply not seeing it, or, you've got your mind made up about the player and don't want to credit him with anything.

In terms of his own game, the closer he gets to goal, the more you see why he's featured at the clubs he has, because he just doesn't have the instincts and awareness of a PL striker expected to tally goals. He's slow, but if he were more aware of where to go and how to position himself to receive the ball, a lot of that would be negated. He doesn't seem to understand he is 6'6" tall and a unit that should be able to shield the ball or contest it in ways few defenders can do anything about. Think Zlatan or Duncan Ferguson and how they could fend off CB's and mostly do as they pleased in terms of shielding the ball. Weghorst doesn't have a clue how to use his body to his own advantage, which is a real shame.

He will keep playing - as he should - because he is a key component in sapping the life out of that opposing central core; we're reaping a lot of benefits as a collective from what he's doing out there. If Martial wasn't a total write-off in terms of fitness, this wouldn't be a discussion, but he is a crock, and in the interim until summer, Weghorst has a key role to play in this side whether people like it or not.

What should also be noted is opposing managers haven't found a way to nullify what Weghorst does - he continues to be effective despite everyone knowing what to expect from him. He's a useful asset and I bet our players give him props acknowledging how much life he breathes into them.

Totally agree with this. Wout is the total opposite of the more deadly Ronaldo. Wout creates better scoring opportunities for the whole team. With Ronaldo, he could score with fewer chances, but he didn't because as a team, his movement was so focused on himself scoring the goal that the opposition found it easy to mark him and nullify our attack. For instance, it felt like Bruno made many low percentage passes to Ronaldo because he was obliged to do so. Now the passes are more unpredictable and we create a greater variety of opportunities to score.

 

[Isotope]

Hmmm... he has the durability of a carthorse, and that's a compliment. There aren't many players in the entire league who can give that kind of output for 90 minutes game after game after game. You really have to grasp how annoying and tiresome that is for the opposition - he places them in a war of attrition that most CB's and DM's are simply not used to and it pays off greatly for his teammates.

It should be noted how he wears opponents down and eventually, forces the game open as they fatigue and start making mistakes that others in our team are exploiting and swarming all over. If you fail to give him credit for this, you're simply not seeing it, or, you've got your mind made up about the player and don't want to credit him with anything.

In terms of his own game, the closer he gets to goal, the more you see why he's featured at the clubs he has, because he just doesn't have the instincts and awareness of a PL striker expected to tally goals. He's slow, but if he were more aware of where to go and how to position himself to receive the ball, a lot of that would be negated. He doesn't seem to understand he is 6'6" tall and a unit that should be able to shield the ball or contest it in ways few defenders can do anything about. Think Zlatan or Duncan Ferguson and how they could fend off CB's and mostly do as they pleased in terms of shielding the ball. Weghorst doesn't have a clue how to use his body to his own advantage, which is a real shame.

He will keep playing - as he should - because he is a key component in sapping the life out of that opposing central core; we're reaping a lot of benefits as a collective from what he's doing out there. If Martial wasn't a total write-off in terms of fitness, this wouldn't be a discussion, but he is a crock, and in the interim until summer, Weghorst has a key role to play in this side whether people like it or not.

What should also be noted is opposing managers haven't found a way to nullify what Weghorst does - he continues to be effective despite everyone knowing what to expect from him. He's a useful asset and I bet our players give him props acknowledging how much life he breathes into them.

Yes. In the last two games against Barca and Leicester, he contributed a very important role, and thankfully many of us could appreciate what he brings. I think we will need two new strikers next season, which one of them as backup. I really like what I saw, and don't mind him as a backup.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

Wout! Wout! It’s the sound of the Weghorst!

 

[downunder red]

I reckon he's the first man on the team sheet, closely followed by Rashford and Casemiro.

He is doing a great job up front and it will not be long before he scores.

 

[shabadu84]

Give me a couple of examples who are somewhat attainable? Surely there can't be more than one or two available and half a dozen total.

Honestly think he'd be a 100m+ player if he could finish.

Aye but what currency

 

[r0663664]

I think WW is doing a job for ETH, he basically follow ETH instructions and we are winning games. Come on, he is just a backup striker who we paid a small fee for. What's to complain? ETH isn't dropping him unless Martial is back. He had a few good moments yesterday, what more can we ask for? Let's enjoy the team performance, we are nail on for top .

 

[Strelok]

Imo some are a bit harsh on him. One little thing life taught me is be happy when you get what you pay for. Most of the time you even don't. And imo with WW we get more what we pay for.