this a wind-up right?
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this a wind-up right?
No, Real Madrid wanted to sign Rashford from us but apparently Wout is their first target now.
Yeah you got me.
best described n the adage - mind is willing but body is weak. His best game for us so far in my opinion. You can tell he tries very hard and really gave it his all but he is not just not very good with what he does. But still have a willing striker is better than having no striker at all.
This. Hopefully he can get a goal whilst he’s still playing. Just for him.
https://fbref.com/en/players/c4e87b8b/scout/11566/Wout-Weghorst-Scouting-Report
This is a small sample but compared to other forwards in the PL, a defensive striker seems to be an apt description for him.
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I really want him to score. He was getting in good positions, but his finishing is off. Happy what he brings to the team.
He is scoring against Barca or in the final. It’s written in the stars
This is it. He's a defensive striker but more importantly, he solves the Rashford CF/ Bruno CAM problem. Does anyone remember these? How we struggled to retain possession up top, at the early parts of the season with Rashford up top? That's because neither Rashford nor Bruno have great link up play.
Bruno and Weghorst doesn't work as well either because there's no threat over the top to feed on Bruno's through balls, due to Wout's severe lack of speed and quickness.
Martial was so good for us because he could link play, press and run in behind.
The main issue with Weghorst is playing him puts Bruno out wide. I imagine ETH wants Antony in that wide right position. That being side, so far he's doing a job and doing it well, in the absence of our main striker.
I don't expect us to keep him after the loan deal. We'll sign a premium and budget version of what Martial offers.
Do you know what...he can't hit a barn door (should have about 3 goals in his last 2 games alone) but I seriously admire his work ethic and determination. The sheer work he puts in tracking back, tackling, pressing, clever passes in behind defenders and runs to open the space for others are very good. The players were desperate to get him a goal yesterday. I just wish he could score the odd time 
He really is a level or two below all of our other attackers in terms of quality, but luckily it hasn't really cost us thus far. He is contributing positively to the build up though, so not been useless in any sense.
A few times when he's been through on goal, it looks like his legs go, whether that is from nerves/pressure in front of goal, a lack of energy because he's put so much work in prior to getting in that position or he really is as slow as that, I'm not sure yet.
Hope he picks up a few goals in upcoming games to get reward for his work and to give him a little more confidence.
A few times when he's been through on goal, it looks like his legs go, whether that is from nerves/pressure in front of goal, a lack of energy because he's put so much work in prior to getting in that position or he really is as slow as that, I'm not sure yet.
Hope he picks up a few goals in upcoming games to get reward for his work and to give him a little more confidence.
We won't be signing him permanently. He has the attitude and the work rate but not the quality. He's what he's supposed to be a stop gap.
Anyone got the distance covered stats from yesterday ?
I don't see us replacing him at the summer because the bigger priority will be to sell Martial and bring in another striker and we won't replace 2 striker in 1 summer especially when we have a lot of other priority positions.
I don't think ETH will accept this type of situation where Martial isn't available to him more 70% of the time. Wout is worse than Martial undoubtedly but at least he's fit to play every game when we need him.
Right now ETH is defending him in the eyes of the media and back him but we all know that internally he's annoyed with this
I don't think that out of 5 players - 2 of them would be strikers.
Especially when we need striker, 2 MF(that 1 of them will probably be Sabi and the other 1 will a DM), CB instead of Victor or Maguire, RB and a GK
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I don’t think we will sell Martial. At this point I reckon the club and ETH accept Martial for what he is. An injury prone player that on his day can be a big contributor.
We sign a proper striker and he replaces Wout’s minutes. Then we use Martial when fit or Rashford like we do this season and just hope that in the next 2-3 seasons Martial has one where he’s mostly fit.
When the new owners arrive I can see us going for at least 5 quality players. Surely a 9 will be a priority I can easy see us going for 2 players.
Against Leicester, during the last phase of the game, everyone tried to create the opportunities for him. I think they all highly value his efforts on pitch. He just lacks of acceleration to make the most out of them. It’s the reason he seems slow. Actually he is not slow but just can’t accelerate quickly.
So nothing for nothing?
He is clearly not united quality but the players have clearly really taken to him and is a good addition in terms of the team spirit
A real trier, might not have the technique needed at this level, but makes up for it in sheer determination and wanting to be part of the revived team spirit - good luck to him.
Mate Ten Hag‘s record speaks for itself. If you were manager, we would be fighting against relegation.
Keep digging, the hole you are in is getting deeper and deeper.
I notice you did not mention WW pulling defenders away for Sancho‘s goal or his through ball on Sancho, putting him one on one with the keeper. I‘d say those are pretty significant contributions. According to you he didn‘t do anything towards the end of the game.
Off-ball efforts are undervalued so much for some even though they also complain the most that some players are lazy. I know they want 11 Supermen or robots.
Do you know what...he can't hit a barn door (should have about 3 goals in his last 2 games alone) but I seriously admire his work ethic and determination. The sheer work he puts in tracking back, tackling, pressing, clever passes in behind defenders and runs to open the space for others are very good. The players were desperate to get him a goal yesterday. I just wish he could score the odd time
Let's hope Benni is working with him.
Certainly not for want of trying to get on the scoresheet but give him a few more games before writing him off please. I can almost guarantee he’ll rediscover his goal scoring form. So far he’s been great at dragging defenders out of position and strong enough to hold up the ball and deliver crosses, he certainly shows energy and commitment.
"I notice" you don't read or watch the sequence of play yourself because the following is repeated a few times already. Faes got pulled away by Sancho himself, and that defensive zone where he scored was vacant because Faes running around like headless chicken. WW contribution on the move came much earlier in the sequence where he made a move in behind when Rashford was still on the ball. Faes again got sold and break the offside leave space. However toward the end of the sequence, WW wanted to pass himself, he made a poaching run pointing to where he wanted Bruno to pass. Bruno ignored him because Sancho was free after sending Faes into a a goose chase.
"I notice" you failed to respond properly to my last post with questions.
"I notice" you recycled cliche.
"I notice" you recycle "ETH has his reason, so everyone else is wrong. I am safe by I just kiss the manager ass"
"I notice" after "If you were manager, ..." I can fill a lot of thing into this blank. Is it a personal insult attempt with the because you're running out reasonable respond?
In a way yes, but Diego was a far more prolific scorer who just had the most calamitous start to his United career.
PL was very different than today. A lot of kicking the shit out of opponent were allowed. Forlan was not tough, cnutish enough for that settings.
Also RvN is more suitable for lone striker with wide forwards. Or his partner in a duo has to be more #10, midfielder than out out forward.
No Rashford has. We were winning before we got Wout. What has been his importance?
One of my favourite ever players. Had a really great career after Old Trafford too but he couldn't hit a barn door in his first few months!
I expect Wout will put a few in soon, at least he has broken his duck and never stops trying, his goalscoring record is strong
Based on what we’ve seen so far, would you keep Weghorst on next season?
Obviously he might not be the first choice starter that he has been lately, if we buy a new striker, but you need more than one striker in a squad.
I'm leaning towards yes. Assuming that he’s fitting in with the group, etc.
Obviously he might not be the first choice starter that he has been lately, if we buy a new striker, but you need more than one striker in a squad.
I'm leaning towards yes. Assuming that he’s fitting in with the group, etc.
Apart from chasing after players who are 2 steps ahead, he's nowhere near good enough. Let's be honest. I imagine we'll sign one or two much better strikers and he'll be forgotten about.
And let's face it, if Qatar buy the club, they're not wasting their time on Weghorst. They'll want bigger names for masses of money. I reckon we'll go big for Mbappe or Kane. Maybe Osimhen, but I doubt Napoli will let him go and he's apparently loved in Naples so he might be happy to stay. If they get any better they'll be competing for the CL anyway (perhaps even this season).
And let's face it, if Qatar buy the club, they're not wasting their time on Weghorst. They'll want bigger names for masses of money. I reckon we'll go big for Mbappe or Kane. Maybe Osimhen, but I doubt Napoli will let him go and he's apparently loved in Naples so he might be happy to stay. If they get any better they'll be competing for the CL anyway (perhaps even this season).
His impact is a myth, for me. Against Leeds we swapped Rashford to ST and moved Weghorst to no10 position (because they were both ineffective) and Rashford scored. It was genius apparently to move Weghorst to no10, when really he did nothing and Rashford happened to get a goal.
Since then, ETH is really trying to milk this idea of playing him at no10 but it's nightmare fuel watching him. He looks every bit out of his depth, exactly as you'd imagine a Burnley/Besiktas level player to do at Manchester United. In the last two games of Weghorst no10, Bruno RW, we've been terrible until we've moved them back to regular positions.
To over simplify it, Wout hasn't improved us but he's hasn't made us worse, relative to the options we have i.e a injuries to Martial, Antony, McT and the youth bench. I think him being fit and of tactical use to ETH is pretty important already. Don't get me wrong, I know it's a low bar.
Garnacho and Sancho's effectiveness when starting games highlights it's not as simple as saying 'start Rashford start in the middle, have someone else play on the wings and we would see the same goals and impact willy nilly'. In fact ETH has already alluded and said, he sees the game in phases and he likes the change up of moving Rashford and others in intervals of the games. I'm not saying it's been super successful because we do struggle a lot in terms of control but you can't argue with the results.
Once the other players recover, we will see less of Wout and perhaps ETH will be able to deploy other players and tactics.
Some fans really overstate the importance of average players and its been that way for years. Very few players at this level are completely useless, they can all contribute to a team in some form. Average players especially are easily replaceable and Weghorst just about passes for average.
As recent as last year or the year before there were still fans that wanted Mata here because he had a nice first touch or felt that Elanga should get a lot of game time. We could bring Welbeck back from Brighton and he'd do what Wout is doing pretty easily and probably even better. There is no reason at all for us to even consider having Weghorst here next season. Not every player in the squad needs to be world class but there is an ocean of players between Weghorst's level and a top 4 level good squad player.
I am appreciative of his effort and most importantly his availability but he's not cut out for this level.
As recent as last year or the year before there were still fans that wanted Mata here because he had a nice first touch or felt that Elanga should get a lot of game time. We could bring Welbeck back from Brighton and he'd do what Wout is doing pretty easily and probably even better. There is no reason at all for us to even consider having Weghorst here next season. Not every player in the squad needs to be world class but there is an ocean of players between Weghorst's level and a top 4 level good squad player.
I am appreciative of his effort and most importantly his availability but he's not cut out for this level.
I suppose you could argue that the team functions better with Weghorst playing than Ronaldo - so in that sense he could be considered an upgrade.
But on the other hand, other line-ups might also work, like with Sancho behind the striker, Bruno RW, Rashford CF, and Garnacho LW. Garnacho would have to do his defensive duties better for that though - so it doesn't fully work.
With Antony back, it could be him in RW, Sancho LW, Bruno AM, and Rashford CF. Or Eriksen in AM and Bruno in RW. But both Antony and Eriksen are injured, so the reality might be that putting Weghorst in that AM role might actually work best right now, for Ten Hag's purposes. In that sense, United might really be better off with him than without him - although obviously you'd ideally want a better player in his role for next season.
We have been playing with 10men ever since he got here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...t-Weghorst-doesnt-justify-starting-place.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...t-Weghorst-doesnt-justify-starting-place.html
Yeah pretty much. Like I said, the bar is very low and I don't think any sane Utd fan is advocating that he has a more prominent or extended role for the rest of the season. Of course we want a better player there but I cannot discount his 'importance' in the team thus far because the grass isn't always as green as you'd think. Garnacho's 45 mins on Sunday being a prime example of expectation versus reality.
We paid some loan fee for him, and also his wages. So not nothing.
Seems like our results aren't bad when he plays so Erik will be happy with that.
It is obvious that with his career to date that finishing has really not been an issue but strikers do have barren runs and maybe he is experiencing one now but on the positive he is working his socks off for the team so he has not been a passenger.
Patience people.....Patience.
It is obvious that with his career to date that finishing has really not been an issue but strikers do have barren runs and maybe he is experiencing one now but on the positive he is working his socks off for the team so he has not been a passenger.
Patience people.....Patience.
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