Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[tomaldinho1]

After 11 games he’s on 20 points.

In Mourinho’s disaster season we had 20 points after 11 games, and we were through in CL.

This is what 310 million buys you, progress innit.

Following on from a Mourinho meltdown is a dream ticket for a United manager, half our fans seem to think Ole took over a side that was battling relegation.

That was Mourinho actively trying to get sacked as well

 

[RashyForPM]

I don't agree with him, but I can somewhat get what he's trying to say here.

The 2-1 vs City at Etihad was arguably our best attacking performance in a long time, but we managed to sustain it for maybe 35 odd minutes. We were on the backfoot in the entirety of 2nd half and required a couple of fine DDG saves to get the 3 points.

The 2-0 at OT, again we were really good and I'd say that was the best performance vs them since 4-2 win in 2015 (or maybe better than that as well). However, Dave did have things to do, and there were moments where we were on the edge of the seat and required AWB to play a blinder to get the 3 points.

Yesterday, I don't think there was a moment where I was genuinely scared that we'd concede bar the Mahrez chance, but then again apart from the chance in the 1st half after that beautiful interplay in our defence, I didn't expect to score as well.

You can blame Ole all you like, but the thing is City are the better side, and they set up to not lose with 2 DMs and Walker who hardly attacked. And that was what dictated the result

I get your point that we were good defensively but unlike the win before lockdown, we set up with the mentality of being cautious and playing for a 0-0. There is no doubt in my mind of that. We showed bollocks to attack them whenever we got the ball with Bruno, Martial, James and Fred swarming forward on the counter, but yesterday we (and City of course) came for a 0-0. Even last December, we blew them away for 40 minutes and genuinely could and should have scored 5 (Rashford alone should have had 3). My major qualm, as I’ve said many times, about yesterday was that we showed no cojones.

Also, you say City are the better team, so Ole was justified in setting a Manchester United team to play for a 0-0 at home, but if I were to make a combined XI of the starters yesterday, it would be:

DDG
Walker Dias Maguire Cancelo
KDB Fred Bruno
Sterling Jesus Rashford

You could argue for an aging Fernandinho over Fred, but on the flip side, Greenwood may easily get in too. At the end of the day, it would be either 6-5 United or 6-5 City. There was no reason, especially after the team sheets were announced, for him not to tell the lads to have a real go at City yesterday. Our best chance was a set piece! They were cowardly too, but KdB still found time to miss an open goal after Mahrez botched a 1 on 1. It’s not good enough, and certainly was far from our best performance against City in Ole’s tenure.

 

[Giggsyking]

Have you seen this thread? The amount of vitriol and pure bile after each dropped point, what other could it be than dislike? The reason so many want him out is simple, we have been spoiled silly by experiencing Fergie and fans cant (or wont) accept that it was not always going to be that way. Lets be real here, Ole did not exactly have a splendid CV before the job fell into his lap, but that in turn have convinced his most outspoken critics that he literally can do no good and whenever things do go our way its either luck or something/someone else doing the heavy lifting. Meanwhile, every single thing that goes badly is his fault. Like why is this thread constantly bumped during live matches where people are howling for blood if we go under? Hes not on the pitch, so unless hes put out some utterly daft line up, i dont see how a thread about a manager would be that relevant during a match

The "Fernandes was an obvious signing" is one of the latest hits. Like the feck he was, judging by this thread about half the Caf knew who he was an about half of those thought he was average. That speaks volumes about the lens hes viewed through though. If they cant even bring themselves to praise him for the best signing we've done in a decade they wont praise him for anything

When he took over the club was in a sorry state and pretty much everyone agreed that the rebuild was still ongoing. This was due to LvG and Jose failing in that regard despite spending about 700 million between them and obviously not being helped by the absolute idiots at the top of the club hierarchy. When he took over we lacked a established CB pairing, we had an ageing winger playing RB, no creative midfielder and loads of unanswered questions about who was supposed to play up top. His main task was therefore making us competitive again AND securing the long term health of the club. This is in stark contrast to Jose, whos modus operandi is come in and win silverware at any cost and despite having a net spend of 360 million euros, left the club in a worse state than it was when he arrived

Gone are much of the deadwood and all of the players we've bought under Ole (bar Cavani) have been somewhere between 21-26 so they have plenty of years left in them and many of them has not reached their best years even. This means that even if Ole was replaced tomorrow, much of the groundwork has already been done and the next guy will inherit a much healthier side than the one Ole got.

Then comes the results and performances. Before last season, there was about a 50/50 split among fans and pundits alike whether or not we would make CL qualification. We did, so most reasonable fans should be content with that. Since we signed Bruno we are also one of the (the?) best team in the PL in terms of PPG and GPG. People will laugh at this and say its a completely arbitrary starting point (the very same people had no problems leaving out his caretaker period when discussing win% last year) but i'd argue its not. Last year between Aug-Jan we could not score in a brothel because a massive lack of creativity. No creative fullbacks, no creative wingers, with Pogba injured no creative midfielders besides an ageing Mata. With Martial out for about two months as well it meant that the entire creative burden was put on Rashford and some kid fresh from the academy. Of course you will struggle for goals under those conditions. Its also a perfect illustration of what a truly good player can do with a football team and this ridiculous practice of judging managers in a vacuum of results only needs to stop because at the end of the day, they live or die based on the players available to them. All in all last season was acceptable in my opinion. We got third place and the ins and outs were good, both long term and short term

This year has been a bit of a rollecoaster, but 4 points from the top is hardly a reason to have a meltdown imo. Also consider this: We have played 11 games and so far we have faced Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, West Brom, Soton, WHU and City. 7/11 of those teams either are in the top 8 right now or you reasonably expect them to be there (counting Arsenal here). We've not exactly had an easy start with the addition of a tough CL group as well. People point to our poor home form this year, but with no fans in there its a moot point. We are currently on a record breaking away streak, but thats a moot point as well.

When it comes to fan expectations, or rather demands, the goal posts seems to constantly move. Of course we need to improve, because we are not where we want to be yet, but in a process like this its not like you always will be on an upward trajectory and we cant view this in a vaccum. City and Liverpool set points records the past two seasons and the latter won the CL. Spurs and Chelsea have finished above us 4 times since Fergie retired and even bloody Leichester has won the league. The league is ridiculously competitive, yet the narrative among some of our fans is that everyone else is shit/overrated/past it, we have the best squad in the league and a half decent manager would have walked the league with us. Case in point: Our ex manager currently sits at the top of the table with Spurs, so maybe, just maybe, they are not a bunch of cloggers like some would have us think.

For example, Chelsea who we were neck and neck with last season have added 200 million worth of talent. Meanwhile, we fecked around all summer with Sancho and ended up with some panic buys on the last day of the window. It was obvious at the end of last season that the squad was not the finished product. Now though people claim that Ole has to make do with what we got, despite the fact that we are still a couple of key signing away from where we want to be.

Is it perfect? Far from it, but its not as bad as a lot of people would have it. Ole is far from the best manager out there and if we fail to improve from last season, i'd want him gone to, but the hysterical doom mongering and downright disrespectful way hes being treated by some fans is just baffling. Judging by this thread, these are not "glass half full" types, but rather "this glass is full of cat vomit and i am going to yell about it all day".

By reading your posts in this Bruno signing thread, you were among the ones who were sceptic while almost every Ole out supporter wanted him.

 

[90 + 5min]

Have you seen this thread? The amount of vitriol and pure bile after each dropped point, what other could it be than dislike? The reason so many want him out is simple, we have been spoiled silly by experiencing Fergie and fans cant (or wont) accept that it was not always going to be that way. Lets be real here, Ole did not exactly have a splendid CV before the job fell into his lap, but that in turn have convinced his most outspoken critics that he literally can do no good and whenever things do go our way its either luck or something/someone else doing the heavy lifting. Meanwhile, every single thing that goes badly is his fault. Like why is this thread constantly bumped during live matches where people are howling for blood if we go under? Hes not on the pitch, so unless hes put out some utterly daft line up, i dont see how a thread about a manager would be that relevant during a match

The "Fernandes was an obvious signing" is one of the latest hits. Like the feck he was, judging by this thread about half the Caf knew who he was an about half of those thought he was average. That speaks volumes about the lens hes viewed through though. If they cant even bring themselves to praise him for the best signing we've done in a decade they wont praise him for anything

When he took over the club was in a sorry state and pretty much everyone agreed that the rebuild was still ongoing. This was due to LvG and Jose failing in that regard despite spending about 700 million between them and obviously not being helped by the absolute idiots at the top of the club hierarchy. When he took over we lacked a established CB pairing, we had an ageing winger playing RB, no creative midfielder and loads of unanswered questions about who was supposed to play up top. His main task was therefore making us competitive again AND securing the long term health of the club. This is in stark contrast to Jose, whos modus operandi is come in and win silverware at any cost and despite having a net spend of 360 million euros, left the club in a worse state than it was when he arrived

Gone are much of the deadwood and all of the players we've bought under Ole (bar Cavani) have been somewhere between 21-26 so they have plenty of years left in them and many of them has not reached their best years even. This means that even if Ole was replaced tomorrow, much of the groundwork has already been done and the next guy will inherit a much healthier side than the one Ole got.

Then comes the results and performances. Before last season, there was about a 50/50 split among fans and pundits alike whether or not we would make CL qualification. We did, so most reasonable fans should be content with that. Since we signed Bruno we are also one of the (the?) best team in the PL in terms of PPG and GPG. People will laugh at this and say its a completely arbitrary starting point (the very same people had no problems leaving out his caretaker period when discussing win% last year) but i'd argue its not. Last year between Aug-Jan we could not score in a brothel because a massive lack of creativity. No creative fullbacks, no creative wingers, with Pogba injured no creative midfielders besides an ageing Mata. With Martial out for about two months as well it meant that the entire creative burden was put on Rashford and some kid fresh from the academy. Of course you will struggle for goals under those conditions. Its also a perfect illustration of what a truly good player can do with a football team and this ridiculous practice of judging managers in a vacuum of results only needs to stop because at the end of the day, they live or die based on the players available to them. All in all last season was acceptable in my opinion. We got third place and the ins and outs were good, both long term and short term

This year has been a bit of a rollecoaster, but 4 points from the top is hardly a reason to have a meltdown imo. Also consider this: We have played 11 games and so far we have faced Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, West Brom, Soton, WHU and City. 7/11 of those teams either are in the top 8 right now or you reasonably expect them to be there (counting Arsenal here). We've not exactly had an easy start with the addition of a tough CL group as well. People point to our poor home form this year, but with no fans in there its a moot point. We are currently on a record breaking away streak, but thats a moot point as well.

When it comes to fan expectations, or rather demands, the goal posts seems to constantly move. Of course we need to improve, because we are not where we want to be yet, but in a process like this its not like you always will be on an upward trajectory and we cant view this in a vaccum. City and Liverpool set points records the past two seasons and the latter won the CL. Spurs and Chelsea have finished above us 4 times since Fergie retired and even bloody Leichester has won the league. The league is ridiculously competitive, yet the narrative among some of our fans is that everyone else is shit/overrated/past it, we have the best squad in the league and a half decent manager would have walked the league with us. Case in point: Our ex manager currently sits at the top of the table with Spurs, so maybe, just maybe, they are not a bunch of cloggers like some would have us think.

For example, Chelsea who we were neck and neck with last season have added 200 million worth of talent. Meanwhile, we fecked around all summer with Sancho and ended up with some panic buys on the last day of the window. It was obvious at the end of last season that the squad was not the finished product. Now though people claim that Ole has to make do with what we got, despite the fact that we are still a couple of key signing away from where we want to be.

Is it perfect? Far from it, but its not as bad as a lot of people would have it. Ole is far from the best manager out there and if we fail to improve from last season, i'd want him gone to, but the hysterical doom mongering and downright disrespectful way hes being treated by some fans is just baffling. Judging by this thread, these are not "glass half full" types, but rather "this glass is full of cat vomit and i am going to yell about it all day".

Even if I dont agree with every single Word, this is Brilliant post

 

[Mainoldo]

By reading your posts in this Bruno signing thread, you were among the ones who were sceptic while almost every Ole out supporter wanted him.

He’s just another lemming. Writing paragraphs of sentimental nonsense like he’s Shakespeare. I mean since when Fergie or no Fergie was it acceptable for a Manchester United team to be mediocre.

Do Real and Barca fans get called spoilt so and so’s when they are unhappy with lack of success? You would think we supported Man City .

I’m sure he probably didn’t want Bruno how can you expect someone that backs Ole to actually know what’s good for the club.

 

[blemis]

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Jesus, did we? Kin ell.

This week has been a real dampener for me, as it’s become crystal clear that Ole has no intentions of trying to squeeze the most he can out of this squad.
He’s pragmatic and happy to be in the top 4 mix and show “progress”. I think our squad is gonna be too good and he’ll never lose the dressing room like Mourinho, so it’ll be a long drawn out process of us going nowhere.

This week was a great opportunity for us to get through a tricky Champions League group by going to Germany and showing them that we are a better side, and then taking a game to a struggling City side at home. Maybe it could have been a catalyst for a semi-challenge in the league.
Instead we were so delighted just to sit back and do nothing in both games.

If Ole is pragmatic then what's the point in sacking Jose Mourinho ? At least one guy won everything at club level by being pragmatic , the other one couldn't save cardiff.

Jose was shit, the same is Ole.

Jose was trying to get himself sacked to pocket that $20m severance money and also lost the dressing room in process. Ole already shit for reason of being shit.

 

[Random Task]

This thread has reached 1000 posts.

Yes, that happened.

Congratulations to all who contributed towards this monumental feat.

@Mainaldo in particular, as he contributed a whopping 10% all by himself. Impressive.

 

[VP89]

It was the same for Liverpool last season. Shit football and grinding out results for a long time. People on here do not appreciate we are in a very good position in the league. If it goes Tits up, I’ll support them in changing Ole. But what is comedy gold is the anger after yesterday. All prediction we would get battered, but when we draw its unacceptable We where not set up defending yesterday, but struggled going forward or even keep the ball in their half. But what I loved about the game was how well organised we where and without all them silly mistakes. We know we can go forward. That is not a general problem for this team. But them mistakes and dropping shape has been a huge problem. Really hope we have turned a stone in that department, because if we have, we are going places

Our bad performances this season was nothing even remotely like Liverpool last season?!

 

[Gabagoo]

Yesterday's game was actually a positive. When was the last time we didn't get dominated over 90 mins by City? I believe that every time we beat them last season, they were the better team and took more shots and creating more chances. Yesterday, we actually had more shots than them! City were absolutely piss poor, and we played well relative to our standard, but I still think the overall match was a positive sign.

The times to question whether Ole is the right man are like when we get battered by Brighton. We should have lost that 5-2.

Overall, I'm satisfied that he should get the season. In the summer, let's see where we've finished, how (if at all) we've progressed in terms of style, and who else is available.

 

[Leftback99]

Have you seen this thread? The amount of vitriol and pure bile after each dropped point, what other could it be than dislike? The reason so many want him out is simple, we have been spoiled silly by experiencing Fergie and fans cant (or wont) accept that it was not always going to be that way. Lets be real here, Ole did not exactly have a splendid CV before the job fell into his lap, but that in turn have convinced his most outspoken critics that he literally can do no good and whenever things do go our way its either luck or something/someone else doing the heavy lifting. Meanwhile, every single thing that goes badly is his fault. Like why is this thread constantly bumped during live matches where people are howling for blood if we go under? Hes not on the pitch, so unless hes put out some utterly daft line up, i dont see how a thread about a manager would be that relevant during a match

The "Fernandes was an obvious signing" is one of the latest hits. Like the feck he was, judging by this thread about half the Caf knew who he was an about half of those thought he was average. That speaks volumes about the lens hes viewed through though. If they cant even bring themselves to praise him for the best signing we've done in a decade they wont praise him for anything

When he took over the club was in a sorry state and pretty much everyone agreed that the rebuild was still ongoing. This was due to LvG and Jose failing in that regard despite spending about 700 million between them and obviously not being helped by the absolute idiots at the top of the club hierarchy. When he took over we lacked a established CB pairing, we had an ageing winger playing RB, no creative midfielder and loads of unanswered questions about who was supposed to play up top. His main task was therefore making us competitive again AND securing the long term health of the club. This is in stark contrast to Jose, whos modus operandi is come in and win silverware at any cost and despite having a net spend of 360 million euros, left the club in a worse state than it was when he arrived

Gone are much of the deadwood and all of the players we've bought under Ole (bar Cavani) have been somewhere between 21-26 so they have plenty of years left in them and many of them has not reached their best years even. This means that even if Ole was replaced tomorrow, much of the groundwork has already been done and the next guy will inherit a much healthier side than the one Ole got.

Then comes the results and performances. Before last season, there was about a 50/50 split among fans and pundits alike whether or not we would make CL qualification. We did, so most reasonable fans should be content with that. Since we signed Bruno we are also one of the (the?) best team in the PL in terms of PPG and GPG. People will laugh at this and say its a completely arbitrary starting point (the very same people had no problems leaving out his caretaker period when discussing win% last year) but i'd argue its not. Last year between Aug-Jan we could not score in a brothel because a massive lack of creativity. No creative fullbacks, no creative wingers, with Pogba injured no creative midfielders besides an ageing Mata. With Martial out for about two months as well it meant that the entire creative burden was put on Rashford and some kid fresh from the academy. Of course you will struggle for goals under those conditions. Its also a perfect illustration of what a truly good player can do with a football team and this ridiculous practice of judging managers in a vacuum of results only needs to stop because at the end of the day, they live or die based on the players available to them. All in all last season was acceptable in my opinion. We got third place and the ins and outs were good, both long term and short term

This year has been a bit of a rollecoaster, but 4 points from the top is hardly a reason to have a meltdown imo. Also consider this: We have played 11 games and so far we have faced Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, West Brom, Soton, WHU and City. 7/11 of those teams either are in the top 8 right now or you reasonably expect them to be there (counting Arsenal here). We've not exactly had an easy start with the addition of a tough CL group as well. People point to our poor home form this year, but with no fans in there its a moot point. We are currently on a record breaking away streak, but thats a moot point as well.

When it comes to fan expectations, or rather demands, the goal posts seems to constantly move. Of course we need to improve, because we are not where we want to be yet, but in a process like this its not like you always will be on an upward trajectory and we cant view this in a vaccum. City and Liverpool set points records the past two seasons and the latter won the CL. Spurs and Chelsea have finished above us 4 times since Fergie retired and even bloody Leichester has won the league. The league is ridiculously competitive, yet the narrative among some of our fans is that everyone else is shit/overrated/past it, we have the best squad in the league and a half decent manager would have walked the league with us. Case in point: Our ex manager currently sits at the top of the table with Spurs, so maybe, just maybe, they are not a bunch of cloggers like some would have us think.

For example, Chelsea who we were neck and neck with last season have added 200 million worth of talent. Meanwhile, we fecked around all summer with Sancho and ended up with some panic buys on the last day of the window. It was obvious at the end of last season that the squad was not the finished product. Now though people claim that Ole has to make do with what we got, despite the fact that we are still a couple of key signing away from where we want to be.

Is it perfect? Far from it, but its not as bad as a lot of people would have it. Ole is far from the best manager out there and if we fail to improve from last season, i'd want him gone to, but the hysterical doom mongering and downright disrespectful way hes being treated by some fans is just baffling. Judging by this thread, these are not "glass half full" types, but rather "this glass is full of cat vomit and i am going to yell about it all day".

Nailed it.

Take note. He hasn't said he thinks Ole is top class or the next SAF as many like to spin on here. Neither is he part of an 'Ole cult'. Just a well reasoned post of why he's done a decent job to date and sacking him today is not necessarily the great idea many think.

 

[FatherWolff]

Our bad performances this season was nothing even remotely like Liverpool last season?!

Not sure what you mean. A thumping like Tottenham or Palace? No. But grinding out results lacking rhythm in movement. Loads of bad passing and tempo. Most definitely similar.
Not the actual point I was trying to make though. We are in a good position going into this period of games. Wonder what would do us more good!? Having a fighting spirit and good energy, or a moanfest of self pity? Might as well have a good go and see where we are in January, don’t you agree?

 

[VP89]

Not sure what you mean. A thumping like Tottenham or Palace? No. But grinding out results lacking rhythm in movement. Loads of bad passing and tempo. Most definitely similar.
Not the actual point I was trying to make though. We are in a good position going into this period of games. Wonder what would do us more good!? Having a fighting spirit and good energy, or a moanfest of self pity? Might as well have a good go and see where we are in January, don’t you agree?

I mean no match of Liverpool went like how ours did against say Brighton or West Ham.

 

[Godfather]

Nailed it.

Stopped reading after he claimed the criticism Ole receives is because we are all spoilt from Fergie. That's just nonsense. After a decade of mostly shit we are all very much used to it. It's just that most realise that Ole is not the man to take us out of it.

Also very rich from him claiming Bruno wasn't an obvious signing when he was one of only a few that were sceptic.

Just an overblown post full of nepotism

 

[OleBoiii]

1000 pages

 

[Leftback99]

Stopped reading after he claimed the criticism Ole receives is because we are all spoilt from Fergie. That's just nonsense. After a decade of mostly shit we are all very much used to it. It's just that most realise that Ole is not the man to take us out of it.

Also very rich from him claiming Bruno wasn't an obvious signing when he was one of only a few that were sceptic.

Just an overblown post full of nepotism

No he's right. The reality vs expectation on here are miles apart and people still haven't adjusted. We've managed top 4 finishes just 3 times in the last 7 years and zero title challenges, that's our level for now.

I was skeptical myself on Bruno. And obviously so were a lot of clubs.

 

[Will Singh]

This thread has reached 1000 posts.

Yes, that happened.

Congratulations to all who contributed towards this monumental feat.

@Mainaldo in particular, as he contributed a whopping 10% all by himself. Impressive.

You mean 1000 pages, it's getting on to 40,000 posts.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

No he's right. The reality vs expectation on here are miles apart and people still haven't adjusted. We've managed top 4 finishes just 3 times in the last 7 years and zero title challenges, that's our level for now.

I was skeptical myself on Bruno. And obviously so were a lot of clubs.

This is what we mean by lowering standards. They get decimated just to defend Ole.

 

[Handsome Devil]

You mean 1000 pages, it's getting on to 40,000 posts.

I bet Random is going "doh!"

 

[Andycoleno9]

I don't know why he talks about attacking football, United DNA etc...and then goes like small time manager and plays without even trying to win the game.
And his post games interviews....it is embarrassing stuff.

 

[Leftback99]

This is what we mean by lowering standards. They get decimated just to defend Ole.

So if we change manager today you'll be demanding we challenge for the title this season? Otherwise he's failed and you want him out?

 

[Random Task]

You mean 1000 pages, it's getting on to 40,000 posts.

Yes, that's what I meant.

40k posts though, wow. That's some serious dedication.

 

[Foxbatt]

I have no problems with yesterday's result. I thought we played well in bursts. We should have scored a couple of goals from the corners and in another day with another cm in our favour a penalty too.

But I do not think Ole is the man to win us trophies. Even Keane and Gary are saying now that Ole has to win a trophy this year and get a CL spot or he is going to be in bug trouble.

Replace Ole with Poch and in this same position. How many of you would still support Poch the same way you are supporting Ole now?

 

[Bobcat]

By reading your posts in this Bruno signing thread, you were among the ones who were sceptic while almost every Ole out supporter wanted him.

Yeah i was. Because i had hardly heard of him and at the time we also talking about signing Haaland who was one of the hottest prospects around.

I am not employed by Man Utd though and i cant stand transfer muppetry. That bolded part is an outrageous claim

 

[OleBoiii]

Replace Ole with Poch and in this same position. How many of you would still support Poch the same way you are supporting Ole now?

I'd support anyone to the same degree if they were as close to the top as we are now.

 

[wolvored]

It was the same for Liverpool last season. Shit football and grinding out results for a long time. People on here do not appreciate we are in a very good position in the league. If it goes Tits up, I’ll support them in changing Ole. But what is comedy gold is the anger after yesterday. All prediction we would get battered, but when we draw its unacceptable We where not set up defending yesterday, but struggled going forward or even keep the ball in their half. But what I loved about the game was how well organised we where and without all them silly mistakes. We know we can go forward. That is not a general problem for this team. But them mistakes and dropping shape has been a huge problem. Really hope we have turned a stone in that department, because if we have, we are going places

Liverpool scored 85 goals so cant see where grinding out results to win the league come from.

 

[FatherWolff]

Liverpool scored 85 goals so cant see where grinding out results to win the league come from.

I can. Because i watched them first 11 games.
But I love the fact how you both ignore the questions about positive fighting energy, or moan ourself into a festive period of important games. The funny part, and somewhat depressing is that a lot of posters think it’s for the best for the club. Especially all the sack him at halftime posts. Truly makes me proud to be a Man Utd fan!

 

[Forevergiggs1]

I have no problems with yesterday's result. I thought we played well in bursts. We should have scored a couple of goals from the corners and in another day with another cm in our favour a penalty too.

But I do not think Ole is the man to win us trophies. Even Keane and Gary are saying now that Ole has to win a trophy this year and get a CL spot or he is going to be in bug trouble.

Replace Ole with Poch and in this same position. How many of you would still support Poch the same way you are supporting Ole now?

If after 2 years, hundreds of millions spent and pulling out performances that we're still seeing then Poch wouldn't stand a chance and rightly so. And I'm a big supporter of Poch.

If Ole had a little more on his CV to make us believe he's capable of taking us to winning titles then maybe it could be worth persevering with him a little while longer but unfortunately he doesn't even have that.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I don't know why he talks about attacking football, United DNA etc...and then goes like small time manager and plays without even trying to win the game.
And his post games interviews....it is embarrassing stuff.

He doesn't even need to say anything about United DNA or attacking football now. The club supports him as do majority of the fanbase.

Fans aren't blind, we have seen conservative football for a long time under him. We have seen how he approaches any big game. Just grow some balls and say this is his style and vision for the team.

 

[Giggsy13]

I don’t think, I know. Forget the two brilliant performances last season and the 0-1 Carabao win, even our 0-2 loss in 2018-19 was better because we showed real attacking intent there. And if he means defensively, that is bullshit too because we won 2-0 last season and as far as I remember, gave City 0 real chances. Last night, a Manchester United team set out for a 0-0 draw at home to the noisy neighbours. He is now resorting to lying to the fans to give himself credit and relieve some pressure. It is frankly revolting and disgusting.

That’s a pretty massive overreaction. Pep is a world class manager and if you watched the game, he set up his team to defend based on that 2 nil win we had last season. Pep was concerned about our pace and quick build up on counters, so he addressed that. I should add, he addressed something Ole has set up our team to do well, can you believe that?

Defensively this was a good performance and we were well drilled and focused from the start. Alternatively, if we played an open game and conceded 3 goals, you’d be complaining about Ole, some of you are just insufferable in that respect.

This 0-0 result is not going to define our season, it’s our ability to beat the teams we should be beating that’s going to matter in the end.

 

[Giggsy13]

After reading through some these posts, it’s clear the insufferables would only be happy if we finished the season 38-0. It’s a draw to city at home, relax.

 

[90 + 5min]

I have no problems with yesterday's result. I thought we played well in bursts. We should have scored a couple of goals from the corners and in another day with another cm in our favour a penalty too.

But I do not think Ole is the man to win us trophies. Even Keane and Gary are saying now that Ole has to win a trophy this year and get a CL spot or he is going to be in bug trouble.

Replace Ole with Poch and in this same position. How many of you would still support Poch the same way you are supporting Ole now?

I would say pretty much everyone. Managers need time and if Pochettino came and club showed progress I would stand by him and support him. I'm not the greatest fan of him but if he came I would hope I'm wrong. One or two setbacks wouldn't change as long as there is progress.

We are taking steps forward under Solskjaer and his staff. People need to be patient.

 

[bond19821982]

After reading through some these posts, it’s clear the insufferables would only be happy if we finished the season 38-0. It’s a draw to city at home, relax.

And it's only the first match when we lost to CP. And it's due to the red card against Spurs. And its the red card against PSG that cost us the CL. And its one mistake from player that cost us against RBL (nothing to do with Ole) .

Giving too much respect to our city rivals? Seriously? Feck it, I don't care if we lost 6-0 but grow some balls and show some courage. The mentality of the club is so wrong if you think a point at home to City is good given their form this season.

Jose got slaughtered for this and rightly so. Ole isn't getting that free pass mate. Get over it.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Dortmund after sacking their manager who is doing better than Ole considering they are still in the CL.

Another one that makes you think.

Not that the board will act but if we don't get 6 points from our next two against Sheffield and Leeds he has to go.

Now that we are out of the CL the inconsistency he shows in the Prem cannot be tolerated.

 

[Rightnr]

City aren't a mediocre side, they played averagely today (and we played ok).... there's a difference.

If Ole had gone for it (and personally I would have today) and lost, you'd have gone mental at Ole, any posters supporting him, probably laid into Maguire like usual (I thought he was our best player today) and maybe called the manager "Wole" again. Hilarious.... because it sounds like Wally yeah?

Ironic that you hammer on about any Ole in posters for repeating the same arguments all the time when you do the same thing (in reverse) about Ole and Maguire.

There are plenty of fans who think Ole isn't the right manager (I'm not sure he is) but not many who take such glee in it... 'Wole", "useless", "moron". Why not be constructive and leave that to rival fans.

Yeah, well, I honestly try not use those words but I am at a stage where he's genuinely pissing me off. I fee like it's a chore to watch my football club even though I can clearly see we have a very, very good squad.

The other issue with being constructive is that OGS gets so much more leeway than our previous managers that he'll be allowed to keep failing for so much longer than is acceptable.

Dortmund after sacking their manager who is doing better than Ole considering they are still in the CL.

Another one that makes you think.

Not that the board will act but if we don't get 6 points from our next two against Sheffield and Leeds he has to go.

Now that we are out of the CL the inconsistency he shows in the Prem cannot be tolerated.

Christ, that just goes to show the level of ambition of this 'football' club is dead.

Dortmund are not even meant to be close to our level, yet they are still in the CL and 'only' 5 points off the top. We are OUT of the CL and 4 points off the top, having been close to being double-digits off with totally dire performances.

This is why I think it's literally a sunk cost keeping this guy in charge but it seems our club's standards have been Brexited. As long as we 'survive' and make top 4 once every other year, we're all good.

 

[MancunianAngels]

A massive overreaction to yesterday.

Yes, it wasnt a great performance but was the kind of performance Fergie had often enough in these types of games.

Should we go and get 3 wins over Christmas, then yesterday's point becomes a very good one.

 

[Foxbatt]

We are not having one or two set backs. Does this team needs better players? Of course we do. But what we need most is defensive stability.
As every former player and managers are saying clubs who won the league have to dominate other teams. At least most teams. We have not dominated any team bar maybe Newcastle. We have won but never dominated.
I am sure we will beat Sheffield United and Leeds. Leeds because they are going to attack us no matter what.
Sheffield United, because they are bottom of the league and if we can't beat them Ole doesn't need to be sacked but he should resign.

 

[laughtersassassin]

A massive overreaction to yesterday.

Yes, it wasnt a great performance but was the kind of performance Fergie had often enough in these types of games.

Should we go and get 3 wins over Christmas, then yesterday's point becomes a very good one.

Well if we don't win our next two games it's a disgrace that should not be tolerated.

At a certain point it's just enough

 

[RashyForPM]

That’s a pretty massive overreaction. Pep is a world class manager and if you watched the game, he set up his team to defend based on that 2 nil win we had last season. Pep was concerned about our pace and quick build up on counters, so he addressed that. I should add, he addressed something Ole has set up our team to do well, can you believe that?

Defensively this was a good performance and we were well drilled and focused from the start. Alternatively, if we played an open game and conceded 3 goals, you’d be complaining about Ole, some of you are just insufferable in that respect.

This 0-0 result is not going to define our season, it’s our ability to beat the teams we should be beating that’s going to matter in the end.

Ole has made counter-attacking a strength, no doubt. My major gripe about yesterday was not how we played defensively, but that we never upped the tempo. In March, that’s exactly what we did, and City simply making one defensive change should not have negated our attacking play, especially with Rashford and Greenwood as our front two, a more skilful partnership than the Martial-James on which hammered City in March. Why not some more frequent one touch passing and movement? We showed we were capable of it when AWB and McT, two players said to be poor on the ball, completely destroyed City’s press in the first half.

 

[Raveneye]

And it's only the first match when we lost to CP. And it's due to the red card against Spurs. And its the red card against PSG that cost us the CL. And its one mistake from player that cost us against RBL (nothing to do with Ole) .

Giving too much respect to our city rivals? Seriously? Feck it, I don't care if we lost 6-0 but grow some balls and show some courage. The mentality of the club is so wrong if you think a point at home to City is good given their form this season.

Jose got slaughtered for this and rightly so. Ole isn't getting that free pass mate. Get over it.

Boring football is part of Jose's DNA. With Ole, it's more of a fallback position.

 

[Jibbs]

United is now completely under ex United players and their cronies' control... which is alarming since each of them have shown zero managerial ability and football knowledge even as pundits. What they are good at is keeping themselves relevant through United and filling their coffers. I can just hope the board understands this and appoints a proper manager like Poch soon and keep all the leeches away from club.