Yep he got sacked for that record. So well deserved.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Yep he got sacked for that record. So well deserved.
My support is not unwavering for Ole, he needs to up his game no doubt but I believe the problems are bigger than the manager, did you look at this article at all?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ted-horror-story-Ed-Woodward-needs-fired.html
His lack of ability in his role is a major issue.Calm down
Replacing yet another manager is what I don’t want when this issues are bigger.
Club can’t/won’t sign players = need for manager that improves players/is more tactically astute than his competitors.
So in the first 8 games of last season, Jose got 13 points (versus Ole with 8 points). That is not similar.
Meanwhile he was doing average in the Champions League group stage, but had organised the team with a strong snatch and grab vs Juventus, which he deserved strong credit for. He beat Young Boys and drew to Valencia. Ole has meanwhile had an easier competition but still has only drawn to AZ, scraped a win against Astana.
After 11 games Jose had 20 points having won 2 from his following 3. Ole has Liverpool and Chelsea away sandwiched with Norwich. Do you really think Ole's record is similar to Jose's with us? And are you actually suggesting it won't worsen?
You’ve said beam me up but the bigger problems you’re suggesting need resolution would be at board level.No, solve the bigger problems first is only logical, beam me up
The Glazers are not looking to sell & Woodward isn’t going anywhere so your solution is fanciful.
The only realistic solutions to hope for are better squad management & construction cause the ‘bigger problem’ ain’t going anywhere.
I liked it and found myself agreeing up until the part where he makes excuses for our transfer window. If Solskjaer gets sacked that decision not to reinforce our team up front and in midfield will be what buries him - those weaknesses within our squad - our complete impotence to score goals (which most people would agree is an important part of the game) - is why we're bleeding points this season. Beyond that our play has actually improved quite a bit in pretty much every area over the summer - so why someone would describe what might very well end up being the nail sealing his coffin shut as some philosophical masterstroke is beyond me. Even if their favored candidates weren't available they should have scouted out more options and made damn sure they had enough prospects to choose from - and even if they didn't do that just taking a chance on pretty much anyone would warrant a greater chance of success than placing your trust on a squad most people already knew to be absolutely toothless in that particular area. The principles of educating yourself before signing someone is wise no questions - but blind obedience to principles is what separates a wise man from an idealist. When you know doing nothing will definitely feck you over - doing pretty much anything is better. Sometimes you have to make compromises and have the guts to risk improvising a bit.
Or maybe Ole didn't think it would feck him over - that this squad would rise to the occasion and be able to keep him afloat until a better candidate came along? If so that too makes me question his judgement in this particular matter - and a sign perhaps that he has a tendency towards overestimating his own players (he did that in Cardiff as well by signing players he'd had good relations with in the past but who clearly weren't up to the task and we know how that ended for him). Either way - a good article it definitely tackles the real issue. I'm still reserving judgement as far as Ole is concerned as well and I really really hope he manages to turn this around just enough so that he'll get another transfer window - as that's when we'll know for sure what he's all about - but to credit anyone for the decisions made in regards to transfers last summer is nonsensical. They only got it half right - and the reasons stated for not pursuing the other half are rubbish no matter how you look at it. In fact I've never seen a clearer case of "the proof is in the pudding" - as all our improvements in terms of commitment, work rate, defense, possession and even pressure are all gone to waste this season because our entire play breaks down the moment we approach that final third - and even I saw this coming once that window slammed shut.
A whopping 2 points difference my friend
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...lskjaers-first-28-games-to-mourinhos-last-28/
For half his salary
I don’t agree, Woodward is no longer as safe as he was. The value of the club has fallen $900m since February, when it becomes a billion the glazers might start worrying.
A whopping 2 points difference my friend
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...lskjaers-first-28-games-to-mourinhos-last-28/
For half his salary
How the hell can you talk about Ole's form being close to the "Jose's end" and then go on to cherry pick 28 fecking games
This is the problem - you're choosing a period that's not reflective of Ole's actual capabilities. The caretaker period was such a clear contrast to how he is as a permanent manager. It's so obvious that first 10 games was a run of freak form. We didn't even deserve to win a few of those. Moreover it was all against sides which were bottom fodders in the league. His only "test" was Spurs for fecksake and that was a match we should have lost in!
It's always easier for a caretaker to come in and steady the ship than to be a permanent solution. What's his record since being made permanent? Heck, what's his record for 19/20? That's what marked the end of Jose, from the start of 18/19 onwards. And Jose did tons better than Ole did despite making enemies of everyone.
The case is flawed if you think Ole is in any way shape or form comparable with Jose for us. He will never be close to winning a cup, and now he has us 2 points above relegation. In 3 weeks time we may well be in relegation having finished over 1/4 of the season.
You know things are bad when people are trying to put positive spin on Ole matching Jose's form that got him sacked
Do you actually support United and not the rapid deterioration of the standards/levels of the club by this obstinate backing and ignorance of the fact Ole isn’t a good manager. he has no record of success, no sustained experience at top level, no managerial world presence or sway and no proven plan or strategy that can be pointed to. You have compared him to LVG and Mourinho even Fergies starting record is being compared as if Ole is going to be the next Sir Alex. You seem to be unaware you are comparing some of the lowest and worse point of the aforementioned managers as a reason to give Ole more time. There are overwhelmingly more negatives to keeping Ole and only hope based on a ridiculous dream of what he might do.
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How the hell can you talk about Ole's form being close to the "Jose's end" and then go on to cherry pick 28 fecking games
This is the problem - you're choosing a period that's not reflective of Ole's actual capabilities. The caretaker period was such a clear contrast to how he is as a permanent manager. It's so obvious that first 10 games was a run of freak form. We didn't even deserve to win a few of those. Moreover it was all against sides which were bottom fodders in the league. His only "test" was Spurs for fecksake.
The case is flawed if you think Ole is in any way shape or form comparable with Jose for us. He will never be close to winning a cup, and now he has us 2 points above relegation. In 3 weeks time we may well be in relegation having finished over 1/4 of the season.
What was cherry picked, the point of that article was his first 28 games as of that date versus Jose’s last 28.
To the people arguing that’s what got Jose sacked he was in year 3 by then, do you really want to be sacking another manager with less than a year in charge? If so give me the answer to whose going to replace him?
Are you seriously saying there’s no better manager than Ole in world football that we could have?
Do you think any other team in the Premier League would have Ole?
It's including an anomoly period where Ole wasn't even our permanent manager, and includes a run of games which were gifts for any manager to have (Jose himself said when it gets to this period he can turn it around). Go and look at Ole's first 10 fixtures. It was skewed because the harder sides were played by Jose before then. That fixture list for Xmas was a potential purple patch for us before the season began. We all thought "great Xmas set of fixtures" when it came out.
If you want to compare records, compare both as permanent managers. It doesn't matter if you're year 1 or 3 - no away win since March, struggling to match Newcastle, AZ, Rochdale, Astana, West Ham, 2 points above relegation, pretty much equals you're cooked as a manager.
We do one of two things: 1)bring allegri in on a 2 year deal. Let him build foundations of a solid defence, winning mentality and then say thank you and goodbye. At that stage we are in better positions to attract Rose or Nagalsmann or Poch etc to take us to the next level beyond there. 2) bring a caretaker like Guus or any fecking coach that won't have us relegation fighting, and hope we can get Poch in from next summer.
But not Ole.
But why not? What if he really is a terrible manager, how would sticking with him do us any good? Do you want us to sink even further just so we don't come off as a "sacking club"?
Yes because he's an awful manager and he's going to lead us to a relegation scrap.
If everyone at the club has lost faith in him then no sack him, we were talking about a project 2 months ago though so they all need to sack themselves if they do.
Whose your answer to replace him?
How the hell can you talk about Ole's form being close to the "Jose's end" and then go on to cherry pick 28 fecking games
This is the problem - you're choosing a period that's not reflective of Ole's actual capabilities. The caretaker period was such a clear contrast to how he is as a permanent manager. It's so obvious that first 10 games was a run of freak form. We didn't even deserve to win a few of those. Moreover it was all against sides which were bottom fodders in the league. His only "test" was Spurs for fecksake.
It's always easier for a caretaker to come in and steady the ship than to be a permanent solution. What's his record since being made permanent? Heck, what's his record for 19/20? That's what marked the end of Jose, from the start of 18/19 onwards. And Jose did tons better than Ole did despite making enemies of everyone.
The case is flawed if you think Ole is in any way shape or form comparable with Jose for us. He will never be close to winning a cup, and now he has us 2 points above relegation. In 3 weeks time we may well be in relegation having finished over 1/4 of the season.
It wasn't just a fluke but it wasn't sustainable either - It all broke down once we sold Fellaini and lost Herrera to injury - and the moment both Lukaku and Sanchez reverted into just loafing about aimlessly gasping for air for five minutes every time they actually did move with something resembling pace. At that moment the overall weakness of our squad - the complete lack of depth and also the lack of professionalism among certain players - became obvious. And we're still suffering from this - because none of these positions were reinforced. Herrera was a big loss - but also Fellaini - yeah even a half-arsed Lukaku and Sanchez stargazing throughout an entire match - would be a step up from what we're stuck with now. They had to go I agree on that decision - but they also needed replacing. If Ole is let go it won't be his abilities as a coach or a tactician undoing him - it will be his maneuvering of the transfer market and his continued trust in players who simply aren't up to standards. His idealism and his gullibility.
Don’t like any of your options, god help this place when we inevitably get beat next week
Don’t like any of your options, god help this place when we inevitably get beat next week
My options are far better than yours which seems to have us in relegation within 3 weeks.
Until Woodward gives way and stop trying to run everything, we will never get back to where we belong on the footballing side. Why fans can't see this I don't know.
He should look after the commercial side of things and stay away from the footballing side and until that happens, we will have to accept being a top 6/10 side.
He should look after the commercial side of things and stay away from the footballing side and until that happens, we will have to accept being a top 6/10 side.
So have these "there is no plan whatsoever he's utterly clueless we're worse off everywhere it's all his fault" semantics ricocheting back and forth among his haters here - and the anti-Solskjaer camp are all perfectly happy ignoring those objections pretending they never happened even doing your best in ridiculing anyone presenting a more nuanced assessment than your own.
So yeah - this forum is littered with all kinds of stupid and a lot of people should just shut up and let the grown-ups do the talking - we agree on that at least
I just wanted to let you know that none of your frivolous ramblings can possibly be described as nuanced. To say otherwise is embarrassingly self-congratulatory.
You're talking like there's nobody out there who's more qualified than Ole.
Oh please do elaborate I'll take you on. I'm a sporting man after all - so go ahead and challenge me.
I think we will flirt with that zone for a few weeks then once we get the injured players back and hopefully buy one of those players we don’t currently have that knows where the goal is we will move away from it quite comfortably.
You're talking like there's nobody out there who's more qualified than Ole.
What’s your answer?
Club has problems top to bottom but it doesn't mean having a good manager wouldn't at least improve our on field performances. We are still to hire someone who is good RIGHT NOW, not 5 years ago, not 20 years ago but now. For example Liverpool's board is not much different than ours. Klopp constantly needs to wait to get his targets and they miss out on quite a few of them. But he is a very good manager and can work with the squad he has. We have someone who wouldn't be hired by any Championship club instead.
If Ed was to sack Ole and then fall on his own sword I’d be in, if the solution is sack Ole bring in the fifth manager in 6 years to continue working under Ed I don’t see much of a point in it.
Poch, Nagelsmann, Allegri, Simeone, Blanc, Rose, Ten Hag, Howe, Ancelotti, Zidane. Take your pick. Not saying I want all these but they're far better and more qualified than Ole.
There's lots he could do against the lesser teams that he's not which suggests they're offensive coaching or tactics are poor:
1) Press high consistently throughout the game
2) Look for overlaps (we seldom do this)
3) Move ball the quicker so James is one v one with fullback
4) Play 2nd striker or push #10 further up
5) Commit players forward when crosses are coming in from out wide. I've seen James put some lovely balls across the six yard box and Rashford is the only one in the box (usually standing by the penalty spot). It's like LVG is back in charge
7) A plan for set-pieces. We look like a bunch of lads that meet up once a week to play football together. I think we now have gone the longest without a goal from a corner in the league.
8) Movement off the ball. In fairness to Oke, this has been an issue long before he took over. Players standing waiting for something to happen
Someone like Max Allegri (who's available and learning English) would get a lot more out of them imo.
At present if we can't counter we are finished.We are a one trick pony unfortunately
1) Press high consistently throughout the game
2) Look for overlaps (we seldom do this)
3) Move ball the quicker so James is one v one with fullback
4) Play 2nd striker or push #10 further up
5) Commit players forward when crosses are coming in from out wide. I've seen James put some lovely balls across the six yard box and Rashford is the only one in the box (usually standing by the penalty spot). It's like LVG is back in charge
7) A plan for set-pieces. We look like a bunch of lads that meet up once a week to play football together. I think we now have gone the longest without a goal from a corner in the league.
8) Movement off the ball. In fairness to Oke, this has been an issue long before he took over. Players standing waiting for something to happen
Someone like Max Allegri (who's available and learning English) would get a lot more out of them imo.
At present if we can't counter we are finished.We are a one trick pony unfortunately
So mainly the usual big names similar to LVG and Jose came here worked under Ed and failed.
Did you give LVG & Jose the same excuses , leeway & expectations?
if LVG & Jose failed & they won trophies & got us in the champions league occasionally then Ole must be failing really really bad & should be sacked right???
Oh so because two big name managers fell short of expectations we should just go for unqualified and shite managers now.
Sixth manager. Remember - Giggs!
Ed would have probably appointed him if we won all his games
I'm afraid you're making too much sense for him mate. Better if we all just bury our heads in the sand and accept that we're a relegation contender team now. Ole's at the wheel.
It’s interesting to see how many want Ole sacked.
I see it this way: Ole has cleaned out the players that were bad for the culture and spirit of Manchester United. He’s starting to build on young players. He understands the club DNA. He’s not able to play his strongest team. He has a long term plan and vision. It will take more than one window to get the team we need. If we sack him now we are back to square one, same spot as after SAF, after Moyes, after LVG, after Mourinho.
It’s change management and it gets really hard before it gets better. It’s during that hard time where most quit and try a different method. That’s why we’ve had so many managers sine SAF.
The bunch who complain and get our manager sacked every year need to understand that this takes time. There is no quick fix. It’s hard but they need to support the manager and trust the process. It’s years not months and if we realize that then we get back to our strongest. If we don’t invest that time in a manager and the rebuilding of culture, then we become like Liverpool were before Klopp and won’t get back to the top for many years to come.
I see it this way: Ole has cleaned out the players that were bad for the culture and spirit of Manchester United. He’s starting to build on young players. He understands the club DNA. He’s not able to play his strongest team. He has a long term plan and vision. It will take more than one window to get the team we need. If we sack him now we are back to square one, same spot as after SAF, after Moyes, after LVG, after Mourinho.
It’s change management and it gets really hard before it gets better. It’s during that hard time where most quit and try a different method. That’s why we’ve had so many managers sine SAF.
The bunch who complain and get our manager sacked every year need to understand that this takes time. There is no quick fix. It’s hard but they need to support the manager and trust the process. It’s years not months and if we realize that then we get back to our strongest. If we don’t invest that time in a manager and the rebuilding of culture, then we become like Liverpool were before Klopp and won’t get back to the top for many years to come.
What will the injured players do? Did you watch us against Palace or Rochdale?
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