Can you tell me what you see in Ole?
Again what is Ole’s plan? I’ve seen nothing in 10 months. No improvement. Nothing
Which is his plan? Sit back deep in a cowardly way & play on the counter? Just awful football & awful results. Great plan
We've been through this you and I - it ended with you just parroting your somewhat hysteric over-the-top-negativity again and again ignoring any of my objections and being totally obnoxious as well - before I decided on calling a spade a spade only to receive a warning because apparently your feelings got hurt so you ran crying off to a moderator (will you do that again I wonder?). You seem very lost - "stuck" even - like a spiteful child begging for attention almost - ignoring or attempting to ridicule anyone actually offering you some by presenting you with an alternate assessment. You've been saying the same one-liners for how many posts now? A hundred? A thousand? No matter how many - I do believe you crossed the line of what's considered "spamming" long ago.
But hey - let me help. This is another guy who disagrees with me but who knows how to conduct himself and present a thesis that carries some substance to it - so observe and maybe you'll learn how proper adults discuss things:
No - it will be his coaching too. A proper coach can do better with this squad, even if it is down to the bare bones. There is enough quality even with our injuries to make a better account of ourselves versus fecking Newcastle, Astana, Rochdale and AZ. It's clear when we play that Ole isn't coaching squat and shows no tactical prowess whatsoever. We look like a bunch of pub players that have just met each other 10 minutes before kick off. I don't recall us looking that bad ever since Moyes.
You might be right. I did write this a couple of months back (several times actually) during our preseason tour in the match day threads - that we looked immature and random in attack - and I can't deny that this hasn't improved one bit since then. However - injuries. Wan Bissaka contributed a lot up front the few games he played and Martial's been gone too - and yeah we still didn't look good back when they were fully fit either but not nearly as bad as we do now so their absence (and other's - Shaw's for instance) can explain what a lot of people are deeming "regression". That being said -
if in fact this hasn't been a major focus of attention during practice -
if they haven't drilled that part of our play properly (a lot of
ifs there and I genuinely don't know what goes down on the training ground) - then this constitutes a huge neglect especially considering the weakened state that half-arsed transfer window left us in. But I still maintain that several aspects of our play has improved since last season - the areas I've mentioned in the past - so it's not all bad there are
some positives too.
Time will tell - and even though we might differ on what's to blame we can at least agree on this I think: If Ole survives and gets a few reinforcements in during January - and our results skyrocket after this - that'll be a sign we've simply been drifting on deadwood so far and that this is the reason we're so far downstream. Also - if Ole gets the sack and the new manager too fails to produce results - that as well will be an indication that his management was never our main issue but rather the players we're stuck with and their apparent inadequacies. Either way - Ole isn't perfect like some suggests. He fecked up this summer when choosing to neglect these areas and as long as he's holding the reins that falls on him - and also I see a lot of signs both past and present suggesting he might have a tendency towards grossly overestimating the people around him. I still can't believe he keeps fielding certain players in midfield and up front who clearly aren't cut for this level - Fred and Mata in particular - who contributes nothing at all (in fact hampers our play with their individual mistakes and sluggishness). Yeah I know "the kids aren't ready yet" but even they would be better options I think - at least they provide the basic skills and an ounce of virility if nothing else - and it's not as if Fred and Mata are top-class geniuses either so I don't think they're far behind in terms of decision-making.
Another coach could very well have been able to better both make the improvements Ole has already made and also cover the areas where he's failed with more competence - but personally I think he'd have to be some kind of Midas to transform some of these players into gold as we don't even have enough quality these days to field a top-tier starting eleven - even there we're stuck having to rely on players who under normal circumstances would be considered rotation options - and beyond that we're left with only scraps who weren't even adequate to be considered starters for the previous managers (who also failed despite their impressive resumes).
Ole is a proper manager - he may very well prove inadequate for us but he's far from being as bad as some people make him out to be and the posters I've argued hardest against in here are the ones who's either oblivious to or simply ignoring all context - focusing solely on results not even considering circumstances - and also the ones exaggerating how hopeless we look (as if that's even needed) by not acknowledging the progress that's also been made. And yeah I do hope he succeeds - I won't be pro-sacking until we're absolutely desperate (I've already set the bar for how far my support goes) - because if he doesn't succeed and he's sacked...
Tell me - if you were a promising young progressive manager out to prove yourself - the kind everyone in here covets - would you risk your entire reputation and your career alongside it - the will to live even - by signing for us? Or would you hold out for something not quite as resembling of a toxic lake full of dead or dying creatures? I don't think we're as desirable a destination as people in here suggests - I don't think we'll be able to pick from the top shelf. They'll be the sixth manager in as many years - all before them having had their careers pretty much destroyed at this place. It's a big risk to take and a good manager knows to avoid big risks
