They did have quite a few shots at trophies, Ole has only had 2, did you expect him to win the champions league last season?
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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They did have quite a few shots at trophies, Ole has only had 2, did you expect him to win the champions league last season?
Well everyone tells me Pogba is world class and may be in for player of the year or ballon dor
this season so I’d hope for some semblance of form from him once he gets fit, Martial would make a huge difference to our attacking options if he ever gets fit, Bissaka was looking promising and will turn out to be a great addition in my humble opinion. Then hopefully a signing or 2 in January touch wood.I'm afraid you're making too much sense for him mate. Better if we all just bury our heads in the sand and accept that we're a relegation contender team now. Ole's at the wheel.
Some of you just can’t take another point of view and resort to name calling or insults.
We all want Woodward gone or removed from football decisions, but even if he was replaced tomorrow we are still in a relegation fight, with a squad of under performing players and a manager that doesn’t seem to know how to motivate, train or employ them correctly.
Ultimately, if we don’t get a more competent manager in soon we may well go down. His record since his contract shows this is easily achievable.
Maybe sacking another manager may be the catalyst to Woodward getting replaced but we need to replace Ole quick. We are all hoping the returning Pogba and Martial are going to bail him out, when both their performances under Ole have showed nothing that suggest this will be the case.
The club needs to replace Ole and change structure - in that order.
Ultimately, if we don’t get a more competent manager in soon we may well go down. His record since his contract shows this is easily achievable.
Maybe sacking another manager may be the catalyst to Woodward getting replaced but we need to replace Ole quick. We are all hoping the returning Pogba and Martial are going to bail him out, when both their performances under Ole have showed nothing that suggest this will be the case.
The club needs to replace Ole and change structure - in that order.
I see some point in it. Even someone as clueless as Ed has a chance of making a good appointment. Sticking with Ole even though it's painfully obvious he should be nowhere near this job is hardly a solution also.
No I didn’t.
I expect us not to get outplayed by West Ham, lose to a piss poor Newcastle & make hard work of beating giants Astana.
Ole will not win a trophy with us - I mean how deluded do you have to be to not see that...it’s scary .
Good expectations for you lot supporting Ole now are to avoid relegation.
How the mighty have fallen
Well everyone tells me Pogba is world class and may be in for player of the year or ballon dor
One or two won't do - that even rhymes so it must be true (ermergerd triple rhyme even!). We'll probably need three to look a decent sign again. One striker to revert Rashford back into a solid rotation option (and give the poor lad some peace of mind seriously he looks as if he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders these days) and one offensive midfielder to park Lingard permanently on the sideline and also make sure we'll never get to see Mata again. Last but not least we'll also need another box-to-box making dead certain we've seen the last of Fred.
Think you’re missing the point here. Slurs & insults aside you keep saying there’s a plan & you’re seeing the fruition but you don’t actually explain what you see in any other way than to compare OgS to former managers or blame ‘the man’ aka the board.
Your issues with ‘other problems’ are generally rather valid but your defence of OgS just smacks of irrationality & an attempt to be contrary.
I’m asking you again, please explain what OgS has implemented that any other manager wouldn’t have as a minimum because I [& a lot of others] aren’t seeing what you claim to, do help us understand.
MisterLupus: You're embarrassing yourself.
Considering the trophies we keep referring back to are the europa cup, 2 fa cups and one micky mouse cup with a favourable run (which I recall one or 2 of these were) I don’t think it’s deluded to think we could win one of those, looks like we will qualify from the europa league we’re in the next round of the Micky mouse cup (fortunately I’ll agree). Things can change quickly in football.
We won't. Ole is not a good enough manager to. It's as simple as that. I agree with the poster you quoted. With him in charge we won't won shit. We can only dream of the Europa League at this point.
True, but it will take time to rebuild. I hope there will be no panic buying in January.
We knew what we were getting with Jose, instant success not long term planning (didn’t actually work out that way apart from the cup trophies but that was the plan).
The board and manager have signed this off as a long term plan (2/3 months ago) based on rebuilding with young players with potential, so far it’s been exactly that. Results haven’t been good enough clearly but rarely are early on in any business never mind football when you embark on a long term plan.
If your going to fire the manager 2 or 3 months into a long term plan than we may as well give up.
If Ole won any of the cups you mentioned , including the Mickey Mouse cup, you’d hail him a Messiah & hand him a 50 year contract.
Ole could probably lead us to Europa league glory.
I mean 1 goal scored against Astana and Alkmaar so far. How many shots on target across the two games, maybe two or three?
I mean 1 goal scored against Astana and Alkmaar so far. How many shots on target across the two games, maybe two or three?
When will you lot see Ole has no plan- he’s not a good manager!!
No point giving time to a terrible manager.
You’ve given up on United by accepting Ole is the only man we can have for his ‘plan’
Which is what? Sit back deep in a cowardly way & play on the counter? Just awful football & awful results. Great plan
I think you have me all wrong, I’m against sacking yet another change of manager because some people can’t take a bad run of form in what has been described as a long term plan.
Again what is Ole’s plan? I’ve seen nothing in 10 months. No improvement. Nothing
Which is his plan? Sit back deep in a cowardly way & play on the counter? Just awful football & awful results. Great plan
The rebuild, not what we are seeing on the pitch.
I’m going gym anyway, your all giving me a headache
I feel like this should be on the end of every Ole-related post.
To remind all the people still carrying delusions that Ole has any sort of clue what he's doing.
We don't need an absolute no-mark of a manager here just to continue a transfer philosophy of buying "younger, hungrier" players with better work ethics. Ole is not integral to that vision, in fact he's totally irrelevant to it.
Any manager that works under the Glaziers will do as they were told. The cheque book was put away in the summer.
Those sides in the PL are not now much worse than us, they have more attacking and midfield options.
One small mercy is that we did bring in 2 defensive improvements or we would be getting hammerings now.
Even if there was such thing as "long term plan", which I see no evidence of, you still need a manager who is competent when it comes to actual performances on the pitch. We've not looked like a side with any cohesion or plan ever since Ole has been appointed. Do we just hope he turns into a different manager eventually or are we putting all our hopes on future signings? Even if we get some good players in, surely you still need someone good at tactics, motivation and squad management. Do you honestly see Ole as that man?
So it's the Glazers who decided to spend the entire budget on defence, is that what you're saying?
What can you see Ole achieving with this long term plan and how long before we know if it’s complete rubbish? what are you basing your hope on does Ole have a history of doing what you think he can or are you willing to let him try on sentiment not on quality or experience?
You see no sense in sacking an unproven manager and bringing in a proven one that at least has a good reputation at top level, if you really believe that then there is not much hope and we might as well just sit back with smiles on our faces and watch us draw/lose game after game like Ole does.
‘Liverpool are a good example how many managers did they try and waste time on before Klop and you can see for yourself what time for the right manager who has achieved something does.
The Glaziers refused to replace the 4 players in midfield and attack that left? 100%
Look at our net spend last summer. Our "entire budget" was buttons compared to what was needed.
You don't actually think that Ole was happy with the 4 leaving and not being replaced, do you ??
I do. He kept banging on about how we don’t need another striker as Greenwood is great & that we had a lot of quality in our squad.
Quality compared to Molde I guess
Yeah sure - but you still can't elaborate. Very convenient - almost as if your objections against me are absolutely void of anything even resembling substance. You'd think it would be an easy case to present properly if there was indeed anything to it - right? Look mate - just take the challenge or whimper the feck off. I've given you every opportunity to make me look stupid - simply repeating how stupid you think I am won't do you any good you have to actually prove your point. Also I have very little pride that shit is for pampered princesses and people way more frivolous than I've ever been (yeah unlike the guy who accused me of such I actually know the meaning of that word) - so how could I possibly feel embarrassed about some random trolls on the internet - quite dumb ones at that - getting upset because I invaded their precious little safe space? Disturbed the soothing sound of their echo chamber?
You guys don't agree with me that's fine - argue your point I'll address it no problem (and if it's a strong one I might even end up agreeing or at least partially so) - and if you can't stand getting served what you yourselves are constantly dishing out in pretty much every direction and towards anyone disagreeing with you - that's fine too not everyone's born with an actual backbone. In fact most bullies are pussies who ends up running home to mommy crying when someone finally pushes them back. Point being - nobody's perfect - so you stick to being you and I'll just do me okay?
Thanks for your concern though - I really appreciate it but don't worry I'll be fine. I've already seen the worst this world has to offer and quite frankly "embarrassing myself" on the internet is not something I'm particularly terrified of. Those are your concerns not mine - good luck with that I suppose
He quite clearly was satisfied, at least as far as strikers were concerned. Because if he wasn't why would he not ask for an easy, relatively cheap signing like Mandzukic (who Juve were desperate to move on) or Llorente (free agent)? If he really wasn't happy he could have got a very cheap, experienced stop gap in what would have been the most straightforward deal in the whole transfer window.
I understand not signing just any right winger if they're supposed to come in and be one of the first names on the team sheet, and you have a specific future worldie like Sancho in mind for that. But this was signing a backup striker. They wouldn't have had to be top quality or at the right age if they were just cover for Martial and Rashford.
Yeah sure - but you still can't elaborate. Very convenient - almost as if your objections against me are absolutely void of anything even resembling substance. You'd think it would be an easy case to present properly if there was indeed anything to it - right? Look mate - just take the challenge or whimper the feck off. I've given you every opportunity to make me look stupid - simply repeating how stupid you think I am won't do you any good you have to actually prove your point. Also I have very little pride that shit is for pampered princesses and people way more frivolous than I've ever been (yeah unlike the guy who accused me of such I actually know the meaning of that word) - so how could I possibly feel embarrassed about some random trolls on the internet - quite dumb ones at that - getting upset because I invaded their precious little safe space? Disturbed the soothing sound of their echo chamber?
You guys don't agree with me that's fine - argue your point I'll address it no problem (and if it's a strong one I might even end up agreeing or at least partially so) - and if you can't stand getting served what you yourselves are constantly dishing out in pretty much every direction and towards anyone disagreeing with you - that's fine too not everyone's born with an actual backbone. In fact most bullies are pussies who ends up running home to mommy crying when someone finally pushes them back. Point being - nobody's perfect - so you stick to being you and I'll just do me okay?
Thanks for your concern though - I really appreciate it but don't worry I'll be fine. I've already seen the worst this world has to offer and quite frankly "embarrassing myself" on the internet is not something I'm particularly terrified of. Those are your concerns not mine - good luck with that I suppose
Can you tell me what you see in Ole?
Again what is Ole’s plan? I’ve seen nothing in 10 months. No improvement. Nothing
Which is his plan? Sit back deep in a cowardly way & play on the counter? Just awful football & awful results. Great plan
I have way more faith in this current transfer strategy than what I saw under the previous three managers. Are you really trying to argue otherwise? What we are seeing *so far* this season, is our defense seems more solid with Maguire and AWB and James has probably been our best attacker, scoring three goals and should have had several assists to add to that.
Of course SAF made some bad buys, all managers do. I think there was a certain focus on British players and players from nearby countries though. He bought from all over but I think the overall strategy was often to bring in the best in the PL and then sprinkle with players from other leagues. Yes there was deviation from that at times since he was the manager for so long, but regardless of how you want to define his transfer policy I am saying I believe in Ole's transfer policy (and then we can argue to what extent they are similar but that's a different and not very relevant issue). I was saying that Ole's transfer policy rhymes with Man Utd overall philosophy.
I agree about not paying over the odds for Rice or Maddison though. I advocate signing McGinn, Håland, a stop gap CDM/DLP and a stop gap striker for the next window. Of course all signings don't have to be British or European. Sancho if at all possible would be a great signing but of course all signings. Pogba should be allowed to leave and sold together with several other players.
It’s clear he’s an atrocious manager. There’s absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep him, like literally none. The excuses being made for him remind me of the feeble, pathetic excuses that were made for our last three managers near the end of their reigns. Even Moyes still has some apologists on here like @Class of 63, but that’s more a measure of his / her wumming nature.
He said on that record that he was happy for players to go IF they were replaced.....they weren't and that is all on the club.
Having been shafted he has no choice but to continue to say that he is happy with the quality in the squad.
The holier than thou apologist types won’t give any actual footballing reasons for keeping him. They’ll play mental gymnastics until the cows come home and bang out about how wrong everyone is without adding anything remotely insightful to the debate. That’s the ‘top red’ mentality, unfortunately.
Do you seriously think the club would have vetoed signing a Llorente or a Mandzukic for zero/near-zero transfer fee, and on 1-2 year contracts?
No. Ole made the decision not to.
It's pointless stating facts anymore here. I have asked too what is that Ole is good at as a manager?
Apart from some plan of replacing his experienced players with British youth there seem to be no plan.
There is no plan or tactics on the pitch. As for players of world class they are not going to come to United to be coached by a manager who is terrible and who can't get the club even into the CL.
This is not the Manchester United managed by the great Sir Alex Ferguson. We are now a mid table club coached by an incompetent manager who has never ever managed a top club.
Deep down Ole knows he got extremely lucky to get the UTD job and once it’s gone he’ll never get an job in the EPL again. Even the guaranteed return to manage Molde isn’t happening straight away as they’re doing better then during his second spell there so he’ll either get a sympathy job there as a director or have to wait it out.
No - it will be his coaching too. A proper coach can do better with this squad, even if it is down to the bare bones. There is enough quality even with our injuries to make a better account of ourselves versus fecking Newcastle, Astana, Rochdale and AZ. It's clear when we play that Ole isn't coaching squat and shows no tactical prowess whatsoever. We look like a bunch of pub players that have just met each other 10 minutes before kick off. I don't recall us looking that bad ever since Moyes.
It takes time to rebuild etc etc etc.....
The only way you can rebuild something is if you understand what the end goal is, whether it be a football team or a collapsed building. United don't have an idea of what they are trying to build, how they can get there or what tools are needed.
Ole could get 10 years, but without an agreed design and plan all he can achieve is more drift and more damage....
Sack him tomorrow & bring someone in who has an end goal & the authority to drive it with owners and Glazers. Ole clearly doesn't have the vision or the clout
The only way you can rebuild something is if you understand what the end goal is, whether it be a football team or a collapsed building. United don't have an idea of what they are trying to build, how they can get there or what tools are needed.
Ole could get 10 years, but without an agreed design and plan all he can achieve is more drift and more damage....
Sack him tomorrow & bring someone in who has an end goal & the authority to drive it with owners and Glazers. Ole clearly doesn't have the vision or the clout
History and facts don’t matter. Jose left a mid table or lower squad, despite the fact that he finished second in his last full season. In fact wherever Solskjaer finishes even if it’s relegation that’s down to the squad that Jose left.
Don’t get me wrong. Jose should have left because it was unattainable, too many things had broken down and it had become toxic. But feck me the logic of Ole in, give him 3 years without judgement crowd is like the logic of a child.
Now that is trying to rewrite history. Jose had Lukaku, Fellaini, Herrera Smalling and Sanchez. Ole sold all of them or loaned them out and got three players in. In the current situation Fellaini, Herrera would be in the starting 11. Lukaku too because of Rashford being so terrible. Smalling because Lindelof being injured. Surely Sanchez is still better than Mata?
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