Couldn't have said it better myself.
But it’s been obvious for so damn long that this appointment wasn’t going to work out. God knows why it’s taken until now for some to realise it. And still so many to not see it yet. I despair.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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But it’s been obvious for so damn long that this appointment wasn’t going to work out. God knows why it’s taken until now for some to realise it. And still so many to not see it yet. I despair.
Imagine he were the one manages RB Leipzig, probably relegated them. A thoroughly mediocre manager. Manchester United is truly cursed with this guy, forever languishing in mediocrity.
Spurs swapped the guy the Cafe desperately wants for Jose, so what does that say about him?
Bravo
I give him until the owners go, then fire straight away. Changing him now won’t help us long term
He made the decision to play Matic, McTominay and Shaw before the West Ham game and stuck with it even after what happened in the West Ham game
Went with 7 defenders after saying they weren't going there for a draw.
He is woefully clueless as a tactician and relies on individual brillance. This is why we go down 3-0 to West Ham and 2-0 to Southampton and he needs Bruno and Cavani with super sub performances to bail him out. And he almost got bailed out again yesterday. It's why we lost to Istanbul which is the real reason we are out. Win that and we would have been on 12 points and Leipzig would have had to beat us 6-0 to advance.
He needs to go if we want any chance at top 4. Would also tell whoever replaces him to focus on the league and play the kids in Europa.
Went with 7 defenders after saying they weren't going there for a draw.
He is woefully clueless as a tactician and relies on individual brillance. This is why we go down 3-0 to West Ham and 2-0 to Southampton and he needs Bruno and Cavani with super sub performances to bail him out. And he almost got bailed out again yesterday. It's why we lost to Istanbul which is the real reason we are out. Win that and we would have been on 12 points and Leipzig would have had to beat us 6-0 to advance.
He needs to go if we want any chance at top 4. Would also tell whoever replaces him to focus on the league and play the kids in Europa.
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How on earth do you reach this conclusion
?? Appointing a world class manager and getting us on a winning streak of silverware, for example, wouldn’t possibly help long term?Zero logic.
In the sense that Ole wanted Sancho who Dortmund insisted would cost £120m and couldn’t think of any other, immediate ,alternative for RW. While Lampard signed a RW for £30m whose made an immediate impact?
Can’t see why Ole would make a comparison that reflects negatively on himself
Nah it's just 2nd season Mourinho. They'll fall apart next season.
We will always be a nearly team under Ole. He has his ceiling and this is his ceiling. He has done a fair job so far and I will look at it fondly but any ambitious club would have let him go.
I have defended him a lot and I will still defend him when someone abuses him. But as a manager he is tactically naive. The defensive goals we are conceding should not be happening. I don't think we can ever win a major trophy under him and I will love to be proven wrong.
I have defended him a lot and I will still defend him when someone abuses him. But as a manager he is tactically naive. The defensive goals we are conceding should not be happening. I don't think we can ever win a major trophy under him and I will love to be proven wrong.
Theres Ole in votes that have been dormant since March and loads from around then as I had a quick look who knows if i dig deeper....
I think we should reset the votes if possible?
I think we should reset the votes if possible?
This.
I am in the same boat where I do not think he is the man to take us to the title or CL finals. I don't mind people questioning his tactics / selections or footballing issues.
Once they start forming a narrative that isn't reflective, I will still defend him, does not make me Ole in.
We have to respect him still as a manager, calling him names will do nothing.
As long as he is manager we still have to support the team.
At the end of the day, if Ed Woodward sacked him and replaced him, I do not think many fans would question it, we know to start competing in big competitions we need someone better.
Ole has done his job, came in steadied the ship and its time to get a captain who can win trophies.
If Solskjaer finishes in the top-four for four consecutive seasons and reaches a CL final in the process, some Ole-in fans would like him to be given a contract for life at United. Perhaps Poch should go to a no-man's league and win a couple of titles no one cares about in order to meet the lofty standards some of our fans have set for the manager.
He thought the game was over so decided to rest our players. Like when he took of Bruno at Spurs. Little did he know the players on the pitch were still trying to qualify.
Just take a look at what Zidane has achieved as a footballer and club manager. He really is in a different galaxy compared to Ole, yet the Frenchman is to prove his worth every single game. That is what it means and takes to be a manager of a top football club.
Mensah almost single handedly killed our momentum by not being able to control a football. Very shrewd business indeed
Exactly - quite frustrated with our standards being so damn low.
Mate in only honest. Us fans are to blame... you think Real Madrid fans would stand for this if Steve McManaman was in charge. I say McManaman because he isn’t Raul level legend.
It comes with the board. If Ole is to be sacked today many will understand that decision but our board is not ambitious. We continue to dither and waste season after season. I will be hugely surprised if this board sacks Ole any time this season.
You know what the best thing about Zidane is? When they put the microphone in front of his face and asked him what will happen if they fail to qualify and their season goes down the drain by the end of the calendar year, he simply answered: "The board will do the right thing". No talk about processes, philosophies and culture. But then again, you can't get away with these things in Madrid.
Fans cannot sack the manager. Who is stopping the board to sack him.
Fans can sack the manager we are just so divided the board are happy to go with what suits them. You have to make them uncomfortable and we never do. We are too divided.
Why do you need a reset poll to show lots of fans are angry with losing last night. Were you asking for a reset back in July?
Yes I agree our fans are divided but still you have to wonder what does this board want. Because it doesn't look like winning a league or CL is their priority.
We still don’t have a starting quality CF after lukaku (2 seasons ago) RW (7 years) or DM (keeping Matic going until he completely stops by the looks of it) that’s still 1/4 of our starters in the first team. We can’t play like a very good side when our attack is based around give it to Bruno and Rashford and see what they do. It’s predictable. Ole wanted a starting quality international winger. No dice. That would have helped. How can we have cohesion when we always have the wrong players or players not up for it. It’s not like Pogba and martial were going to turn around this season and turn into consistent players or Mr Utd. It was never going to happen. Shoddy leadership for years at the very top has got us to this point. Changing manager so often only makes it worse. Ole is slowly improving the squad, slower than it should be. We were still way overpaying for the last few years and stuck in the EL or going out of the CL early before Ole got here. Give him till the end of the season at least. As I said. Coaching is easily fixed. A rebuild is massive. The owners need a manager who’ll hopefully remain calm and show them where they are going wrong instead of making more negative headlines. Ole has friends on the board. It’s a work in progress. We are in inconsistent because we are relying on very young or very old players to win big things for us. Who’s in their prime? Pogba, Martial and DDG. All underperforming or not really wanting to be here. Is that Oles fault too? It’s on the owners. We can’t match the best teams because we don’t even have a complete team. Leipzig show can have a complete team for peanuts if you’re recruitment is strong. That’s where we’ve been falling down post Fergie, signing expensive arseholes who care more about money and their image than their game. I’m telling you as much of a downer as Jose was, he was right.
We know what they want money. But like many have said, they don’t know anything about football and they are in charge of footballing decision. Which is where a DoF comes into play.
They believe Ole is good enough they also believe in his targets. Where the fans get the blame is we too well 50% of us. You included believe Ole is good enough.. so with there lack of footballing knowledge why do you expect them not to believe the Ole in crowd and continue this project?
Well if we are waiting for that then Ole is gonna be staying for many more years
This is my post. Don't know where you think I said he is good enough. So you are saying board will listen to Ole inners but not to Ole outers. What a weird logic of defending the board.
Worst argument I see on the Caf consistently.
So keep him forever. See where that gets you
This nonsense, we were second few months before he took over. Spending 300m to repair a team that were second few months ago.
Some Ole inners remind me of those holier than thou Christians. They think they are the only ones that knows what it means to be a true Christian and are on the right path and their faith will soon be rewarded
Well look, you obviously have a very different memory of this to me. A wrong memory.
I find it funny when I see people saying it is because of fans Ole is still in charge. Well if fans had so much power , glazers and Woodward would have long gone.
Our club is a business first then a football club for them and hence Ole will remain till something drastically changes.
Our club is a business first then a football club for them and hence Ole will remain till something drastically changes.
Every game. Every single game.
Would love to see some stats on individual player errors. We seem to make several each game and they cost us goals. Granted we got blown away in first 20 mins then we dominated and where the better side. Had DDG had the balls to come off his line and wipe out Kluivert and get the ball the narrative today would be very different.
Though I think we need to move on from Ole I think maybe it’s worth waiting to see how the season pans out in the league, we can still have a great season potentially and I don’t think we would gain much this season by firing him.
If we fail to challenge or at least make the top 4 then it’s a clear cut decision.
If we fail to challenge or at least make the top 4 then it’s a clear cut decision.
You're right of course, but people will love to kid themselves that'll it'll all be different this time.
The Glazers are the root cause of course, but for now whilst Woodward stays, then Ole might as well just continue as he is doing, yes we're probably not going anywhere with him, but we haven't really been since before SAF left, and at least watching some of the games is entertaining at times with Ole, so unless it unravels rapidily I'm happy enough to stick with him.
Yes its the lets clutch at any straw brigade. We won the most throw ins, were 2nd highest in goal kicks they will be coming out with next.The sense of entitlement among a significant proportion of our fans is incredible. I can only imagine that football just makes them angry and sad.
Despite the recurring blips in form, defensive calamities, and rotten results, I have had far more fun watching Ole’s Utd than any since SAF (and some periods during SAF’s time as well).
It’s disappointing not to get out of the group but even SAF failed to get out of the group three times. We won it twice of course but we lost a fair few games to teams worse than PSG and Leipzig. This manager and these players can improve and can build challenges like we did under SAF. Some can’t be bothered to wait but I can.
Despite the recurring blips in form, defensive calamities, and rotten results, I have had far more fun watching Ole’s Utd than any since SAF (and some periods during SAF’s time as well).
It’s disappointing not to get out of the group but even SAF failed to get out of the group three times. We won it twice of course but we lost a fair few games to teams worse than PSG and Leipzig. This manager and these players can improve and can build challenges like we did under SAF. Some can’t be bothered to wait but I can.
Forget Bruno then, just look at the last consecutive 24 league games since the end of the January transfer window. The form over 0.63 of a season. United are top of that table. Keep it going and we probably win the league. Cheer up if you can.
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