Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Leftback99]

I don't mind. I've come to my senses now. I was swayed by the end of last season where I hoped he would come good. Who wouldn't have been back then? Before that period I hadn't been a fan since the beginning. But I now know, that was a case of letting my heart rule my head.

In the caveat at the end, I highlighted how we still can't counter teams that press us nor can we break down deep defences, and hoped he would bring in new assistants if he was unable to overcome it himself. Instead it's the same old after two years, I don't see anything changing now with this, and believe we will always have a ceiling to how good we can be under him.

Until we win a few games again. Don't worry you wern't they only one who either changed their mind or went mysteriously quiet in this thread in June/July.

You also said failure to get top 4 season wasn't going to be Ole's fault just over a month ago:

If Ole gets top 4 this season it will be an epic achievement.

None of what is happening now is to do with Ole or the players.

Morale is at an all time low because of the board's failure to deliver on their promises. They made out all along that getting top 4 = Sancho.

No depth in a gruelling schedule. Players are going to have to run themselves into the ground to do it. And for what payoff? Get shafted again like this summer?

I expect he will be the fall guy for the board and get the sack by Christmas after a meltdown season ala Mourinho 15/16 at Chelsea. There's already news today of Poch being sounded out & pressure being put on Ole to perform. I can see it a mile off.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

 

[Mainoldo]

Conveniently published earlier. To be presented as old quotes in the future.

 

[Valar Morghulis]

Conveniently published earlier. To be presented as old quotes in the future.

What do you mean?

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

Good to see even a board as incompetent as ours isn't swayed by inconsistencies but yes work to be done. Cheers.

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

Conveniently published earlier. To be presented as old quotes in the future.

What?

 

[TheRedDevil2019]

I don't mind. I've come to my senses now. I was swayed by the end of last season where I hoped he would come good. Who wouldn't have been back then? Before that period I hadn't been a fan since the beginning. But I now know, that was a case of letting my heart rule my head.

In the caveat at the end, I highlighted how we still can't counter teams that press us nor can we break down deep defences, and hoped he would bring in new assistants if he was unable to overcome it himself. Instead it's the same old after two years, I don't see anything changing now with this, and believe we will always have a ceiling to how good we can be under him.

You're just a kneejerker fan like all the OleOuters, when the going gets tough you pipe up.

With no wish to acknowledge the term "rebuild" process and the many inconsistencies having younger players in your starting 11 will bring.

 

[Desert Eagle]

There is no point trying to convince the ole in religious fanatics. That they can't see our standards are now at the floor says it all. Worst start to a premier league season ever, no worries. Worst start to a premier league season ever again. Still no worries. 6-1 home loss to fecking spurs, shit happens. All this talk of ole improving players but they still display the same inconsistencies as when they first joined. Can't press worth a damn. Hes not as toxic as mourinho ill give him that. That the incompetent idiots on the board back him is no surprise. Who wouldn't want a fall guy who knows this is his last chance at a club as big as ours. Ole is a fraud and 2 years of his coaching should be all the proof needed. But sure lets pretend like we have nothing to judge him on and wait for this season to be a monumental failure before we sack him.

 

[Mainoldo]

There is no point trying to convince the ole in religious fanatics. That they can't see our standards are now at the floor says it all. Worst start to a premier league season ever, no worries. Worst start to a premier league season ever again. Still no worries. 6-1 home loss to fecking spurs, shit happens. All this talk of ole improving players but they still display the same inconsistencies as when they first joined. Can't press worth a damn. Hes not as toxic as mourinho ill give him that. That the incompetent idiots on the board back him is no surprise. Who wouldn't want a fall guy who knows this is his last chance at a club as big as ours. Ole is a fraud and 2 years of his coaching should be all the proof needed. But sure lets pretend like we have nothing to judge him on and wait for this season to be a monumental failure before we sack him.

Backing the incompetent backed by the incompetent. His fans just can’t see it but at the sametime want us to direct our anger towards the board. If we did that he wouldn’t survive anyway. He’s not failing because of them. He’s succeeding because of them.

We just have to hope like most crap run clubs. We just get lucky.

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

Backing the incompetent backed by the incompetent. His fans just can’t see it but at the sametime want us to direct our anger towards the board. If we did that he wouldn’t survive anyway. He’s not failing because of them. He’s succeeding because of them.

We just have to hope like most crap run clubs. We just get lucky.

You can direct your anger at both yknow. It's just that the board has been consistently bad for a long time now so more of us are mad at the board. (irrespective of the ole side of things)

Also how is he succeeding because of them? If board is incompetent (which we all seem to agree on) shouldn't, by extension, Ole fail too? If you'd said ole is succeeding despite the board I'd give you that. Or even if you said both are failing. I won't agree but I'd understand why you said that.

 

[lysglimt]

I've got simply one question to ask you. Do you enjoy players like Bruno being here? Because a top player like him certainly wants to win the top trophies. How will your experience be when our best players want to leave because we can't win anything/aren't matching their standards i wonder.

That is why it's important for me as a fan to uphold the club's standards, regardless of who they are.

That's one way of looking at it - another way is to applaud the manager who was smart enough to sign him

 

[RedSky]

Nothing better than waking up and reading some more @Mainoldo moaning posts. Part of my daily ritual now.

 

[iato89]

And I am shocked thats the conclusion you have reached after reading those replies.

If we end 8th or 9th - fine!

But what if we end 5th with 72 points ? Should he be sacked then ? Chances are - there will be a lot of clubs that will end around 65-75 points this season - as Liverpool and City will get a lot less points than last season, while a few of the teams at the bottom look a lot worse than most other teams. This means it will be a race for top-4 where there are 6-7 very good teams fighting for the positions.

Do people genuinely believe a manager should be fired for ending 5th behind - let's say City, Liverpool, Chelsea (who spent £200 million) and one more team ? Especially if we improve in points total. What if we get 75 points, end 5th, 10 points behind winners Liverpool. Is that really a sackable performance ?

you confirm what I have exactly said. Standard have been lowered justto please Ole. No top 4 is a sackable offence as it is a regression.

 

[united for life]

You can direct your anger at both yknow. It's just that the board has been consistently bad for a long time now so more of us are mad at the board. (irrespective of the ole side of things)

Also how is he succeeding because of them? If board is incompetent (which we all seem to agree on) shouldn't, by extension, Ole fail too? If you'd said ole is succeeding despite the board I'd give you that. Or even if you said both are failing. I won't agree but I'd understand why you said that.

yup. That was a weird statement.

anyway, i think the board is actually failing Ole this year by not backing him with the signings he wanted.

 

[theklr]

yup. That was a weird statement.

anyway, i think the board is actually failing Ole this year by not backing him with the signings he wanted.

Well, he sure didnt make it easy for them by wanting the most expensive signings he could find it seems. They have backed him enough moneywise not to have that as an excuse for anything.

Comfortably the 3rd best squad (tied with Chelsea) even if he didnt get Sancho and/or Grealish.

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

Well, he sure didnt make it easy for them by wanting the most expensive signings he could find it seems. They have backed him enough moneywise not to have that as an excuse for anything.

Comfortably the 3rd best squad (tied with Chelsea) even if he didnt get Sancho and/or Grealish.

This transfer window we had to build on the positives which we didn't. Backed how? We dont have a first team right winger still?

I disagree we have a better squad than Chelsea this year. Look at their transfers.

I'm not saying that should be the excuse but saying he was fully backed is nonsense. Also who are the most expensive transfers possible that he demanded? Except Maguire and Sancho. Also this is all speculation. None of us know what Ole demanded so its a moot point.

 

[united for life]

This transfer window we had to build on the positives which we didn't. Backed how? We dont have a first team right winger still?

I disagree we have a better squad than Chelsea this year. Look at their transfers.

I'm not saying that should be the excuse but saying he was fully backed is nonsense. Also who are the most expensive transfers possible that he demanded? Except Maguire and Sancho. Also this is all speculation. None of us know what Ole demanded so its a moot point.

agreed. One can also argue tottenham have a better squad as well.

Well, he sure didnt make it easy for them by wanting the most expensive signings he could find it seems. They have backed him enough moneywise not to have that as an excuse for anything.

Comfortably the 3rd best squad (tied with Chelsea) even if he didnt get Sancho and/or Grealish.

can’t sign sancho, fine, find alternatives. We can also now sell pogba (the best thing that can happen to us and him) and fund new signings...

We ended last season on a high and finished third despite having a very thin squad. This showed promise. What we should’ve done over the summer is back this up with proper signings to build on it. Instead, we didn’t strengthen in the positions we are weak at. Even when we got a striker, we got someone who he near retirement (cavani was surely one of the best in the world at his peak, not taking that away).

 

[rotherham_red]

There is no point trying to convince the ole in religious fanatics. That they can't see our standards are now at the floor says it all. Worst start to a premier league season ever, no worries. Worst start to a premier league season ever again. Still no worries. 6-1 home loss to fecking spurs, shit happens. All this talk of ole improving players but they still display the same inconsistencies as when they first joined. Can't press worth a damn. Hes not as toxic as mourinho ill give him that. That the incompetent idiots on the board back him is no surprise. Who wouldn't want a fall guy who knows this is his last chance at a club as big as ours. Ole is a fraud and 2 years of his coaching should be all the proof needed. But sure lets pretend like we have nothing to judge him on and wait for this season to be a monumental failure before we sack him.

Backing the incompetent backed by the incompetent. His fans just can’t see it but at the sametime want us to direct our anger towards the board. If we did that he wouldn’t survive anyway. He’s not failing because of them. He’s succeeding because of them.

We just have to hope like most crap run clubs. We just get lucky.

Cry more

 

[wolvored]

This transfer window we had to build on the positives which we didn't. Backed how? We dont have a first team right winger still?

I disagree we have a better squad than Chelsea this year. Look at their transfers.

I'm not saying that should be the excuse but saying he was fully backed is nonsense. Also who are the most expensive transfers possible that he demanded? Except Maguire and Sancho. Also this is all speculation. None of us know what Ole demanded so its a moot point.

They reckon he wanted Grealish as well but another 80 mill player plus a striker and cb so if they had backed him it would have been another 300 mill plus

 

[Bobcat]

Wait, people are seriously comparing their first 100 games, and advocating that it is similar and in fact Ole is better?!!!

No contexts to consider?

Klopp's first and maybe 2nd team for that earliest 100 games are basically shit to be honest, I don't fear them at all. Shit defense and unreliable attacks. Tough for me to admit that they are darn entertaining with their gung-ho attacking approach and high press system. The system and style of play is clear from the very first start.

No it was not, we had "Klopp sack watch" threads here his first two years as they were genuinely awful at times.

Then Klopp sensibly started to adapt to the league and play more and more conservatively to survive this league. That's show he himself are good at adapting and sensible enough. He chose to build from the top attacking than at the back though. I remember it started with Mane was it? He changed them. Then Robertson and eventually TAA. Klopp gambled on TAA and it works. Firmino is already there from the start which is key to the best 11 than he can think of, so he basically builds the attack around Firmino who tend to score less and don't really have the speed plus he likes to drop deep. Mane fits him.. then Salah to complete the attacks. With Robertson and TAA, Klopp started to sacrifice midfield playmaking (not like he had a good one after Coutinho left) in exchange for more protection to his fragile defense. There's a limit though with their shit keeper and generally shit CBs. Van Dijk is a huge addition, then Allisson. There complete current system at the end. Season after season improvements. Worth mentioning Klopp is generally more ruthless, even with newer players eg. Karius. He fixed his GK situation and then getting a better 2nd keeper afterward asap didn't he, after the legendary Karius performance. How many of their before shit players turn great again? Also they basically play like a team with maybe just Salah that are more individualistic, which basically balance their whole team.
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Tl;dr: They did very, very well in the market, not only were most of his signings spot on, they were relative bargains as well. So maybe we can lay to rest this whole coaching myth? Klopp did not coach a bunch of rejects into his team, he bought them

Ole's instead... is there really any improvements season after seasons? He decided to first build from the back, but turns out on their own, the defenders are shit and in need of supports from a dual combination of Fred and McT/Matic always. Always. Our attacks are still shit and still struggle against majority of the teams. The more spaces given and so more chances we could get especially in big games, then the better we tend to perform. We're no clinical enough which is why we're shit vs the weaker low blocks teams. And again clearly we still ahve poor organization, from the 1st season until 3rd, still bad and laughable. Bruno improved our attacks massively, but with no good system nor good at the backs, we're basically still shit. Balance of 11 is still questionable. Ole is also less ruthless and still supporting Lingard to get back. Rubbish. And seriously how many players are getting worse or stalling their developments? seems a lot. Even Bruno is getting less consistent nowadays. Also basically we play less like a team (seriously many of our players don't know how to play with each other, positionally often overlap with one another) and more like miss-mash of individuals grouped together, only 1-2 players are team palyers.

Does it matter that Ole is better or comparable to Klopp's first 100 games?
It's like people say proudly saying their start are great (they had a great start) basically pointless bragging rights.

I dont know what you are even saying here? Our players are shit besides Bruno, you say they have regressed (who?) And he supports Lindgard? His last start was vs City in the league cup where he was hauled off for being shit. His last game for us IIRC was vs Leichester last season

Just to be clear, i dont think Ole is as good as Klopp. Not even close, but no need to rewrite history here. Klopp did struggle his first couple of years at Liverpool before it kicked off

 

[Forevergiggs1]

That's one way of looking at it - another way is to applaud the manager who was smart enough to sign him

Is that the same Bruno Fernandez that the club apparently turned down the summer before because his passing wasn't good enough then in desperation signed him in January at an increased rate to save Ole his job?

 

[Bobcat]

Results improved but at what extent it took Leicester to drop almost their entire seasons form for us to claw our way back. If Manchester United acclaiming a sum total of points in the range of the 60's is what you look for in a manager than by all means stand by the manager. Mediocre coach for fans with mediocre ambitions. What I don't get is how fans would ridicule Moyes but back Solskjaer when on the premise of their tenure here Moyes achieved more if anything with less NET spend and less time. We still have a team that lacks identity and are we are pragmatically successful.

Context? Ever heard of it? Moyes took over a team that had walked the league a year before, Ole took over a team in complete meltdown and was hired permanently after an impressive winning streak and beating PSG in the CL. Moyes had an impossible job, but he made it even harder when he sacked Fergies entire backroom staff to bring in his boys from Everton

The point about net spend is just outlandish. Moyes (or Ed) ended up paying 5 million more than the release clause for Fellaini

 

[He'sRaldo]

This is a good post, and for the most part I would agree with a lot of what you have said. This exposes the naivety of a manager coming in to a big club and stating that 'this is what i am going to achieve' before you really know what you have.

Nobody does that, and for good reason. Stating that your team needs to be fitter is fine. Thats a crucial requirement of every team. Tactically though, its unwise to make public comments as you only create a rod for your own back. Managers go into the transfer market because they cant get what they want out of what they have.

I dont believe that our fitness is something to be concerned about. I do agree that we are average at best at offensively pressing, but i also dont think that you have to be to be a successful football team.

However, good post. Something for the Ole outers to feed on.

Cheers. I think the things he says he wants to achieve are very achievable, and the question is why has he not achieved them yet. The 2 main arguments thus far have been either that he's not good enough, or that the setup doesn't allow him to. I generally favour the former argument, but it doesn't mean I won't acknowledge the latter.

I remember seeing a video where Wenger admitted that the structure at Arsenal when he was there left him with so much to do, that he constantly felt like he didn't have enough time each day on the training ground. Proof being him doing well in cup competitions, where he would actively divert focus from other areas in order to work on things in training. He said that things are changing nowadays in England, with more teams around the manager and more delegation of responsibility in order to make things more efficient.

Interestingly under Ole we have been decent in the bigger matches, with clearer directions and more visible instructions, so it could very well be the case that Ole is being held back from doing that day to day as our setup is well documented as being somewhat archaic. It would make sense given that Ole's most lauded contribution is transfer activity, but it's hard to say since we're not privy to the exact backroom situation.

But like I said, I ultimately think he's not good enough because despite having the same limitations as other post Ferguson managers, he's had some of the worst results and runs in the PL. Unfortunate as he has the best vision of all of them, as well as (IMO) some of the best highs.

 

[united for life]

Is that the same Bruno Fernandez that the club apparently turned down the summer before because his passing wasn't good enough then in desperation signed him in January at an increased rate to save Ole his job?

so now bruno fernandez isn’t good enough? Maybe i mis-understood you, but bruno is our best player

 

[Forevergiggs1]

so now bruno fernandez isn’t good enough? Maybe i mis-understood you, but bruno is our best player

Bruno is plenty good enough. By far our most influencial player. I was just replying to the other poster who said Ole should be applauded for being smart enough to sign him when the circumstances aren't as clear as that. Not that it matters. He's here and long may he continue.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

Let’s give Ole and the team credit for the difficult 7 matches. Losing only 1 league match and 1 CL match is better then I, and I think, many expected.

Let’s hopefully keep it up

 

[Mainoldo]

After international break good to know this thread will be active again!

 

[Dave Smith]

The club will not sack Ole this season. The problem at the moment is that the Glazers want to stem all expenses. Sack him and their is a immediate large bill, then on top of that you've got to go out and get a new collection of players that the new man wants and add another load to the chopping block. At the time of writing Utd already need to flog:

1 x GK, 3 x CB (plus the starting two aren't really good enough), Pogba, Mata, Lingard

That is a bit of a job as it is, no need to add anymore names. Further, the next window is Jan so it isn't exactly as if they can go all out for the new man, especially with the Covid hit.

On top of this, Ole had proven to be a streaky manager, history tells us it is likely he will put another 10 games unbeaten run together with the majority being wins.

In my opinion, Ole gets the season. No CL, he will be replaced but it isn't happening until then unless the players are near revolt like they were under Jose.

 

[Anustart89]

The club will not sack Ole this season. The problem at the moment is that the Glazers want to stem all expenses. Sack him and their is a immediate large bill, then on top of that you've got to go out and get a new collection of players that the new man wants and add another load to the chopping block. At the time of writing Utd already need to flog:

1 x GK, 3 x CB (plus the starting two aren't really good enough), Pogba, Mata, Lingard

That is a bit of a job as it is, no need to add anymore names. Further, the next window is Jan so it isn't exactly as if they can go all out for the new man, especially with the Covid hit.

On top of this, Ole had proven to be a streaky manager, history tells us it is likely he will put another 10 games unbeaten run together with the majority being wins.

In my opinion, Ole gets the season. No CL, he will be replaced but it isn't happening until then unless the players are near revolt like they were under Jose.

I think you're right that that's their thinking. In the long run though, a better manager would be more likely to consistently finish in the top 4 with lesser investment in the current squad, which has a lot of good players.

What's the point in barely scraping top 4 if your manager needs £100m net every summer to do so? Is the CL worth that much more than the EL? Sacking Ole and getting a new manager in would cost like £15m (to pay both salaries for a season), so if [new manager] could get top four season after season with only £85m net invested then he'd have paid that fee back in one season.

 

[Offsideagain]

Now Guardiola has signed a two year extension at City, that leaves Poch free to join United. I was always convinced Poch would end up at City next season but Guardiola has acted to secure anther two years of top salary and unlimited transfer budget as he couldn’t get that anywhere else other than PSG. He wouldn’t move his family to an unstable France though and who can blame him. Poch in by Christmas I reckon.

 

[Tel074]

Not really. I've been saying all this about Ole since before he was permanent manager. I didn't think he was very good to begin with, even on his interim run. I just don't hold back based on who he is.

So let's get this right. When he was interim manager with a record of 14 wins 2 draws and 3 losses from 19 games you thought he wasn't very good?
You are either lying or you have very high expectations .

 

[romufc]

So let's get this right. When he was interim manager with a record of 14 wins 2 draws and 3 losses from 19 games you thought he wasn't very good?
You are either lying or you have very high expectations .

There are too many people who are always right in hindsight. Looking back, I am sure all United fans were singing Ole's at the wheel.

 

[Mainoldo]

There are too many people who are always right in hindsight. Looking back, I am sure all United fans were singing Ole's at the wheel.

No one thought we was actually going to hire him full time.

We sang Henrik Larsons name too.

 

[wolvored]

Ole managed at the beginning like a kid playing FM. He had a nice run of games at the start as well. When he got the job full time and had to think about his future he became less gung ho and think about defense and all of a sudden the cracks reappeared.
He was hired as a stop gap and as deadwood said at the time we will have some fun.
Because of who he was I would think everybody was behind him. Deadwood was in a no win situation at the time and probably with the glazers seeing how he had lifted the team, who were at rock bottom after the poisonous one, decided the best option was to offer him the job full time.
I think from when he was signed until the end of the season there was a groundswell of opinion that started to change. Im as guilty of that as anyone. In fact I still supported him until the end of 2019 when I could see it ending just like the others.
The lucky break he got signing Bruno and the change in fortunes, mainly due to other teams falling away badly at the end as well, allowed us to pinch 3rd. The Leicester game saved his bacon imo.

 

[Offsideagain]

What role do the media play in getting a Manager sacked? Quite a big one I think, especially the ABU newspapers so they can fill a few pages with bile against the club. I still reckon Poch will end up as Manager at some point even though his qualifications are the same as Old’s, i.e won nowt. This would largely be due to media speculation if, which would be normal, we were beaten by a so called lesser team. Let’s hope it’s not the Baggies tomorrow.

 

[OleTheGreat]

There is a general consensus that Poch will take over by Christmas but I personally think Ole will be given time till the summer to make something of the squad he's got currently. If we manage to bag Sancho in the winter with his arrival to happen in the summer and we somehow manage to get a defensive midfielder and a center back, we can in actuality make it work. Amad Diallo seems like a player who will take time to settle into this squad but he will be a breath of fresh air and should be played with the Under-23 squad for a couple of games. I hope Greenwood is fine and should be played more often because we actually miss him in that forward line. He's been good since after the lockdown period what with his physical stature increasing and he being better on the ball and the little pass and go moments. I think Martial needs to move around a lot more around the box and involve himself in creating a few more chances. Rashford has been in and out of form way too much and midfield still has a lot of problems without a good defensive midfielder. Nobody in our team actually drives forward with the ball, which is so much concerning to me these days. We either pass forward or go sideways until we find an opening which is very easily covered. Nobody makes darting runs to take away a couple of defenders to make space for others and the sort. Ole has not been very good in terms of making plays that can benefit the team. I don't actually know what he does on the training ground with the players, I don't understand what Carrick does to help midfielders. Maybe we need a change and Poch can help in these aspects of the game. Ole has been great in getting the deadwood out and he can gathered a group of players who can actually build a championship winning team but they need trimming in terms of how they play and the tactical aspect of the game which it doesn't seem Ole has in his arsenal. I know I know he's had a couple of good games against big teams like PSG, City etc but against other teams we don't seem to have our way of playing which is very concerning. Let's see how far he can go from here. He is learning on the job and I hope he does so quickly and in benefit of the club. We need trophies badly. I'm all OleIn till his very last second here.

 

[Majima]

So let's get this right. When he was interim manager with a record of 14 wins 2 draws and 3 losses from 19 games you thought he wasn't very good?
You are either lying or you have very high expectations .

Is it very high expectations to want the club to act rationally and not get swept up in fan hysteria? I wanted us to conduct a thorough hiring process, waiting until the end of the season. What was the rush?

I saw it for what it was, an almighty new manager bounce. He had an easy run at the beginning, and the football wasn't amazing. It was a lot of counter-attack wins even back then. I put him in the same league as someone like Di Matteo, who Chelsea never got carried away with, even after winning the CL, but we did after a decent run?

He did an amazing job as the caretaker, but he was managing in the Norwegian league for a reason. We should have left it at that. Like we're seeing now, we have imo the best squad since SAF, but the team is only as good as it's manager, which we're now being handicapped by.

 

[FatherWolff]

Is it very high expectations to want the club to act rationally and not get swept up in fan hysteria? I wanted us to conduct a thorough hiring process, waiting until the end of the season. What was the rush?

I saw it for what it was, an almighty new manager bounce. I put him in the same league as someone like Di Matteo, who Chelsea never got carried away with, even after winning the CL, but we did after a decent run?

He did an amazing job as the caretaker, but he was managing in the Norwegian league for a reason. We should have left it at that. Like we're seeing now, we have imo the best squad since SAF, but the team is only as good as it's manager, which we're now being handicapped by.

The reason was family. Not difficult to find out. He was thought as the up and coming manager in Europe before the Cardiff job, and I don’t think the shitshow of a club totally destroyed that. Do you? The offers didn’t come? Again, not difficult to find out..

 

[Karlos PFC]

The reason was family. Not difficult to find out. He was thought as the up and coming manager in Europe before the Cardiff job, and I don’t think the shitshow of a club totally destroyed that. Do you? The offers didn’t come? Again, not difficult to find out..

Yeah cause when Real Madrid came calling, he told them that his family didn't want to live in Spain. Luckily for us there isn't any issue with that

 

[FatherWolff]

Yeah cause when Real Madrid came calling, he told them that his family didn't want to live in Spain. Luckily for us there isn't any issue with that

Mature answer.. How old are you? 16?