Fair answer to a stupid question.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Fair answer to a stupid question.
Was there a question? Or just some information, which is out there if you don’t want to be a lazy Knut..
No no. Bring it forward I mean this whole thread is just filled with Excuses. This can be excuse number 99
We wouldn’t know. It’s hard to win trophies with Espanyol; Southampton and Spurs.
Think I’m lying? What have they won since he’s left?
People love to talk about trophies ignoring any context, whilst being ignorant of the actual job he put in at each club.
Poch has been free to join United for about a year now. It hasn't happened
I haven't got much to say in response. As good as he did there, Molde didn't miss him when he left the first time (won double next season, set new record 71 points), and they haven't now (won the league last season, Ole failed 3 seasons before). Yes, his reputation would have taken a massive hit. He was disastrous in the Championship too.
He might have decided to stay in Norway instead of taking on another Championship side, (because even Ole admitted he wasn't ready for it), but there's no chance he was turning down offers from top 10 PL clubs to stay in Norway since then.
If you have evidence of top 10 PL clubs being interested after Cardiff I would love to see it.
Because the board are more interested in making themselves look good than actually doing the right thing for the club instead.
That's nothing to brag about to me.
Not at all. Even when we reluctantly agreed that his initial run of form made it hard to not give him the job, many of us still thought he was out of his depth as a coach and tactically naïve.
Ok - if we turn it around ;
have Espanyol improved since Poch left ? Yes - the first 4-5 seasons after he left, they did better
have Southampton improved since Poch left ? Hasenhuttl has at least done as well as Poch did - I would even say better with an inferior squad
have Spurs improved since Poch left ? Yes again
But knowing the Poch-fans here - this will surely be interpreted as reaping the rewards for the groundwork Poch did
They have? Are you using his last 6 months as the only standard for your comparison?
and what did he do at Southampton or Espanyol that was so amazing ?
Poch is an 8.5/10 coach with experience of high press. No more or less.
Klopp is the same but 10/10. His record of winning things at runner up clubs is very good.
Pep I would give 9 based purely on the fact he only goes to clubs that are already dominant.
Ole is a 6 out of ten at best (I would say 4 or 5 myself) and his tactics are 15 years old.
Fair point but at same time people are also ignoring context, if they are claiming Ole should be replaced by Poch, and in same sentence claiming Trophies are a reason for it. Makes no sense.
Poster above yourself was claiming he was managing teams who dont win trophies. Fair enough, but its not looking at the context of the team he had at spurs. The first 11 was totally stacked. I think it reflects bad on Poch a bit he didnt at least win a league cup.
Also should be pointed out the manager himself has literally claimed trophies arent that important, so in that regard I don't think he the man for the job if the context is 'trophies required'.
Not really... it’s just another stupid question. Have bang average clubs continued to perform bang average? Ermm yes.
Di Matteo got the job at Chelsea he just totally flopped the following season so Chelsea did get carried away or maybe he deserved the job after what he did just like Ole did . Ole might not win us titles but we can't just dismiss the job he has done since he has been at the club . His signings have been mostly very good and we have changed the style from LVG and Jose .
Yes it's frustrating at times but he will be giving more time and I'm happy with that .
Espanyol:
- Age 36. First coaching job. Took over January 09, when they were 3rd from bottom destined for relegation. Feb 09 win away vs Barcelona when they were in their absolute prime (1st club win at Camp Nou in 27 years). 8 wins in last 10 games, finished 10th. As a small club, sold some of their top players, putting focus on long term project with youth system.
- 09/10: Finished 11th. Instilled stability in them. Now developing his young players.
- 10/11: Looking to now finish in European places, 5th with 9 games to play, unfortunately fell away with Atletico Madrid overtaking them, finished 8th. Sid Lowe wrote of him at the time “Few clubs have made a virtue out of necessity quite like Espanyol, fewer still have done it with the bravery and balls of Pochettino. It is a huge success story.”
- 11/12: Spent most of the season in top half, finished 14th. Having to deal with key players being sold every season, eventually started to catch up to them.
- 12/13: Ten more players left in the summer, had a poor start, and left by mutual consent that November bottom of league.
Southampton:
- Fans initially protested his appointment after what they felt unjust sacking of Adkins.
- Joined January 2013 sitting 15th, 3 points above relegation. Finished 14th.
- 13/14: Club only completed 3 signings, again focus on youth instead.
- Finished 8th, guiding them to their highest finish for 10 years, and club record most points recorded since PL began.
- Oversaw the progress of home-grown stars such as Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers. Rodriguez scored 15 goals in a new role. Even Schneiderlin got a call up to France. Known as the league's entertainers in his time there. They were probably the most exciting team to watch in the league at one point.
- No.1 team in league for distance run that season '117km'.
Seriously half these double standards are boring? He had a good 11 not a good squad. If I asked the question could Ole win a league with just a good 11you’d tell me he can’t win shite with Perierra and Lingard on the bench so keep the same energy.
His trophy comments was because he managed Spurs and trying to get Champions league qualification whilst trying to win a league cup and fa cup can be very draining on only a good first 11. Hence why you play down its importance as qualifying for the Champs league is what matter for them at that time.
Anyone saying he's out of his depth and a terrible coach have been proven wrong though... so if you are still peddling that line you are delusional. Ole may not prove to be good enough for our final goals but he's more than proven he has a brilliant footballing understanding, a fantastic winning mentality stemming from his days as a player and excellent man-management skills which has seen our players flourish under his tutelage. There haven't been any rumors of discontent in the team since he arrived and despite our inconsistency, its clear all our players are pulling in the same direction for the first time since Fergie (which people so conveniently forget/ignore). I don't know If he's going to take that final step but anyone coming in here and pretending he's done anything other than a good job so far are kidding themselves and showing themselves up to be entitled as hell.
Explain how what they are doing is to make them look good rather than just being what they think is best for the club
Totally flopped? They had 1 defeat in their first 12 matches that season. A month before Di Matteo was sacked Chelsea were top of the league. The difference is Abramovic was ruthless in wanting the best for his club.
He's done good work in changing the pampered culture before him. His signings have been okay. Have we really changed style from Jose? We still play counter attack vs. anyone half decent and have the same issues vs. deep defences at home. We run around a bit more I guess.
Enjoyed 10 days of bliss as OleOUTer’s had little to work with.
But with international interlude over and true to form, they are working themselves into a stupor before a game even starts
But with international interlude over and true to form, they are working themselves into a stupor before a game even starts
Where the double standards? You've created that in your head.
I was merely replying to a post where he was talking about Trophies.
Exact same way champs league was massively important to us and Ole got it. Context ain't it
He won 24 in 42 games I'd say that's a flop tbh. Yeah we have changed our style from Jose that's pretty obvious . We may be poor at times but we don't sit and try and hold on to wins anymore and we are more entertaining to watch.
Like I said I'm not sure Ole is the man to win us trophies but he deserves alot of credit for the job he has done so far .
Personally think we are delaying the inevitable with a manager who will never get us to where we want to be.
They improved in the season he got sacked but they where as good or better the seasons before that so.....
Yes we are not very proactive at all. Just waiting for them to fail the goals and then fire them.
How many here are still wanting us to lose every game until Solskjaer get sacked?
Poch talk again . Another international break gone by where it's a good opportunity for any team to bring him in but no one did, despite him being seen as some kind of genius on here.
. Another international break gone by where it's a good opportunity for any team to bring him in but no one did, despite him being seen as some kind of genius on here.Woodward will be under a lot of pressure to stick with him. SAF, Neville, Rio, Fletcher and pretty much all our other legends will all be all over him to back him. Keane might even threaten to burn down his house.
You’re on your own mate. We all want United to win. Not sure what you’re on.
This is the perspective of a certain portion of our fanbase, not the club. Would it be fair to say that Arsenal are simply waiting for Arteta to fail? Chelsea with Lampard? Spurs with Jose? No of course not, but there is a good possibility that one, two or all three of them will be sacked within the next two or three seasons. Following this logic, why wait?
They are there because those clubs believe that they can reach the targets they have set, and so do United with Ole. You guys torture yourselves hoping for something that will only happen if the team fails.
Not looking forward to their neurosis tbf. Hopefully they all got paralysed by their tinfoil hats during international break due to inactivity and they won’t be able to take partEnjoyed 10 days of bliss as OleOUTer’s had little to work with.
But with international interlude over and true to form, they are working themselves into a stupor before a game even starts
It's all down to whether the board backs Ole and signs his targets. So far, they have failed to do so and show no signs of changing their ways.
Is Ole a good enough manager to get the current team trophies? No. Is Poch? Probably also no.
The board has to either hire a world-class manager who can get a tune out of this squad OR sign a bunch of new talent. They are doing neither.
Is Ole a good enough manager to get the current team trophies? No. Is Poch? Probably also no.
The board has to either hire a world-class manager who can get a tune out of this squad OR sign a bunch of new talent. They are doing neither.
Look at how many dof press releases we get whenever we have a bad run of form, with nothing ever happening... you're really going to debate whether everything they do isn't just to make them look good? Ole is a lightning rod for Woodward/Glazers. Him being here keeps the fans off the Glazer's backs.
Even if they knew it was the right decision to replace Ole with a better manager being available, the board still wouldn't entertain the idea for the simple fact that it makes them look bad. Can you imagine the backlash from Co92, Keane, Rio, Fletcher etc... That's the definition of not acting in the best interests of the club to me.
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Yeah just think our targets is a bit low and that we should aim to fight for the title. Although this season it might be harder to reach top 4.
Leicester, Chelsea looks better and Spurs, Everton as well.
We’re dealing with a board of parasitic leeching festering cvnts - they are not going to help Ole, another manager, or the fans. Get that onto your heads you gammon Ole outers. Then go and vote Trump or something
Im not going to debate that they do things to make themselves look good. Thats a given. Everybody does that.
I dont believe for a second that they would consciously keep a manager that they didnt fancy for PR purposes. What this is, is simply you trying to make sense out of why the club don't feel the same way about this as you do.
You've managed to convince yourself so comprehensively that you're jumping to illogical conclusions, and you can't see the possibility that you might just be wrong.
The board are on the training ground too? Damn those leeching parasites. No wonder we resemble the local pub side at home. It all makes sense now...
We all know the board are a problem. But we don't need Sancho or Håland to break down the cannon fodder at home do we? What do you say about the fact that we're not any closer to a solution even after multiple ins/outs and 100+ matches now in charge?
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