Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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If we fire him at some point this season we should just go with a short term solution first and then make a smart (hopefully) call next summer.
It would be stupid to trust our caretaker too much and give him a contract just because he has a good run.
 
Ultimately I don't think he's good enough, but the board and their transfer approach have made things a hell of a lot harder and they will likely be the reason to accelerate any potential sacking. In terms of transfers he can be criticised in terms of some of the personnel he brings in but he can do very little about the shit show going on above him. It's crazy to think he or other managers can rightfully get sacked for doing a poor job but absolutely nothing changes despite years of incompetence.
 
Verminator said:
If he genuinely loves the club and wants to have us back at the top, and I'm sure he does, he has far fewer choices.
Sabotaging the match day squad, like Mourinho, is not something he will resort to.
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Nobody mentioned him sabotaging matches but if its the case that most believe it is, i would resign on a spot in his position, he ofcc isnt mental to do that, at the end of the day, just like for those above him, $$$ is all.
 
Judas said:
I honestly don't get what people expect him to do in press conferences really? I think he's often been dreadful in them, but today eh it was sadly what I'd expect given the situation we look to be in.
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Say that Glazers and Ed/Judge can suck his dick, announce resignation and drop a mic. Scenes.
 
VP89 said:
The press conference today just brought back the whole "Ole is a yes man" vibe again.
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Let me list you the good reasons why Ole should critcize the board in public for lack of transfers:

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I don't want Ole to be sacked and feel he is being shafted by Woodward and co. but that was not a great press conference. You don't need to bash your players or board but why make silly comments like I was wrong in assessing the squad and they are good. He could have easily said, I would have liked more players to close the gap between us and Liverpool but it did not happen but We will do our best and keep on improving. The likes of Jones, Rojo are trash, no need to bash then but also no need to praise them or defend the incompetence of the board.
 
Shark said:
Hang on, there's posters here seriously suggesting SAF wouldn't challenge Liverpool with our current squad? fecking hell.
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Seriously, I'm so sick of that nonsense about no manager being able to do better with this squad. Yes Woodward and the board are a disgrace, but a team with the likes of Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Maguire is hardly some minnow squad punching above its weight. I love Ole and I really want to see him do well (imagine how glorious it would be to see him holding up a trophy,) but I think these kinds of excuses made on his behalf do no favours to anyone.
 
Tom Cato said:
Let me list you the good reasons why Ole should critcize the board in public for lack of transfers:

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Is that why the world's best managers push for transfers when the board takes a piss?
 
Morpheus 7 said:
If Ole gets sacked and United don't achieve higher this year, the club are to be blamed. This needs to stop and the real problem addressed. Doesn't matter who's in charge. Fergie couldn't compete for league against Liverpool with this squad.
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You get Klopp hasn't gone out and bought world class players in every position? The reason he is getting so many plaudits is because he's built a high energy, hyper aggressive team by mostly just improving players. If you take away the VVD and Allisson signings their best players all arrived at Liverpool without anything near a world class reputation. The fact he's getting good performances out of Henderson alone is worth plaudits given how average he was previously - you can take pretty much every single player in their squad who was a transfer and (even before they won the league & CL) see a tangible improvement in them.

Fergie would get this squad ticking along very nicely in my opinion because we have depth almost everywhere and he would iron out our issues with mentality (i.e. last season why were we so up for games versus City, Chelsea, Liverpool and then seem half arsed against weaker teams?) that cost us so many points.
 
crossy1686 said:
Then what? Hire a new manager, semi back him in the summer and start this cycle again?
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The most important individual in a football team is the manager. I'm not saying it is entirely Ole's fault but there is no doubt that this team lacks identity and honestly there is no sign that there is going to be sustained improvement. I hope im wrong.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
You get Klopp hasn't gone out and bought world class players in every position? The reason he is getting so many plaudits is because he's built a high energy, hyper aggressive team by mostly just improving players. If you take away the VVD and Allisson signings their best players all arrived at Liverpool without anything near a world class reputation. The fact he's getting good performances out of Henderson alone is worth plaudits given how average he was previously - you can take pretty much every single player in their squad who was a transfer and (even before they won the league & CL) see a tangible improvement in them.

Fergie would get this squad ticking along very nicely in my opinion because we have depth almost everywhere and he would iron out our issues with mentality (i.e. last season why were we so up for games versus City, Chelsea, Liverpool and then seem half arsed against weaker teams?) that cost us so many points.
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Near enough their whole first XI apart from Henderson and Firmino have been bought in Klopps time. Many others have left that Klopp didn't get a tune out of.

Also a big mistake people make is assuming all the good recruitment is down to Klopp, like he picks out perfect players himself for his system. Liverpool's backroom structure for analysis, scouting and recruitment is clearly on a different level to us regardless of manager.
 
Judas said:
I honestly don't get what people expect him to do in press conferences really? I think he's often been dreadful in them, but today eh it was sadly what I'd expect given the situation we look to be in.
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Some people are expecting him to stand up and start cursing and screaming at everyone around. At the same time working on patterns! Don't forget patterns. Everything is about patterns.

Solskjaer is calm man (for the most of the time) and if he want to speak to ManUtd leadership he wouldn't do that through media. People need to relax.
 
Shark said:
Hang on, there's posters here seriously suggesting SAF wouldn't challenge Liverpool with our current squad? fecking hell.
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He was beaten to a title by Mancini with a far better squad than this. He was far off the title in 03-05 with a better squad. Yes he'd get more from them but let's stop deluding ourselves we've got a team of world beaters anything like what we used to have.

We would be challenging if he had stayed on because we'd have a far better squad than we do now. Summer 2013 alone would have probably seen Thiago and Bale or Ronaldo come in. We are paying for disastrous transfer decisions mainly made by Moyes and LVG wasting fortunes.
 
Leftback99 said:
Near enough their whole first XI apart from Henderson and Firmino have been bought in Klopps time. Many others have left that Klopp didn't get a tune out of.

Also a big mistake people make is assuming all the good recruitment is down to Klopp, like he picks out perfect players himself for his system. Liverpool's backroom structure for analysis, scouting and recruitment is clearly on a different level to us regardless of manager.
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My point is he has signed good players but made them great = Wijnaldum, Henderson, Robertson, Mane, Firmino etc. The players we have signed have regressed in terms of their reputations bar Bruno

Forget everything about our board, the way we work and just look at the squad we have today. There is a lot of quality there, particularly in midfield, and it's up to Ole and the coaches to get it to gel together. I agree we should be far better in the transfer market and generally better run but we have to see improvements from the players we currently have.
 
James fecking Milner in midfield and as Vice Captain says it all. He made good players better and get them to play a better system.
Only an idiot would think Ole is as good as Klopp.
 
Keep ole and back him! The board and the glazers are not backing him. We are the epl club with the fewest signings this year..how are we expected to compete!
 
tomaldinho1 said:
My point is he has signed good players but made them great = Wijnaldum, Henderson, Robertson, Mane, Firmino etc. The players we have signed have regressed in terms of their reputations bar Bruno

Forget everything about our board, the way we work and just look at the squad we have today. There is a lot of quality there, particularly in midfield, and it's up to Ole and the coaches to get it to gel together. I agree we should be far better in the transfer market and generally better run but we have to see improvements from the players we currently have.
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Non-sense! It's the media the ones have regressed their reputation and you are being sucked into it. Ole has improved his players. People & pundits had doubt in him last season and also criticised his decision for letting Lukaku & Sanchez go without replacement and instead he prefers to put his faith on Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and etc, he proved them wrong, he improved his players, we get good results against the top sides & that's why we finished 3rd.
 
crossy1686 said:
Oh yeah, because that will work won’t it? What’s stopping them appointing another “stooge” after Ole? Wake up.
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Even if you were right at least the next stooge would have some coaching ability. I’m going on what i see and having watched football all my life since 1981. 39 years of watching football and learning something along the way and I can tell you ole is not good enough and won’t be for a long while yet. Soooooo managing the biggest club in the world is frankly the worst case of privilege I’ve ever seen anyone benefit from. As ive said before, if ole had the same playing record for us but with Barca or Real Madrid but not Man Utd, would you have accepted him as our manager when he was brought in....... we all know the answer.

And it isn’t because he wouldn’t understand the United way, cos ole doesn’t understand the United way as it is. Those players are not playing for him and they do not seem too bothered when he turn s up on the touch line. SAF and SMB were shouters and when they turned upon the sideline the players knew it. I’ve never really seen too many SAF teams jog around like these guys do, not giving 100% ever. It’s down to the coach and his softly softly tactics which are not the United way. SAF was soft on the right players and really tough on others. He knew who to manipulate and how. Ole has nothing to offer in that area and called it the dark ages. The United way.... the history built on dark ages so he doesn’t get the United way either let’s be clear.

As some stage he will go and the sooner the better. I don’t have time to go into that backline since he turned up I’ve made enough comments about this in previous posts. To be honest he can’t hack this job it’s too big and it’s come far too soon.
 
Yes he will probably get sacked but it's also a fact that he has not been supported as managers of other clubs have been.
There are lots of players he can still buy from the PL that's better than some we have. It certainly would help a lot.
 
BR7 said:
Even if you were right at least the next stooge would have some coaching ability. I’m going on what i see and having watched football all my life since 1981. 39 years of watching football and learning something along the way and I can tell you ole is not good enough and won’t be for a long while yet. Soooooo managing the biggest club in the world is frankly the worst case of privilege I’ve ever seen anyone benefit from. As ive said before, if ole had the same playing record for us but with Barca or Real Madrid but not Man Utd, would you have accepted him as our manager when he was brought in....... we all know the answer.

And it isn’t because he wouldn’t understand the United way, cos ole doesn’t understand the United way as it is. Those players are not playing for him and they do not seem too bothered when he turn s up on the touch line. SAF and SMB were shouters and when they turned upon the sideline the players knew it. I’ve never really seen too many SAF teams jog around like these guys do, not giving 100% ever. It’s down to the coach and his softly softly tactics which are not the United way. SAF was soft on the right players and really tough on others. He knew who to manipulate and how. Ole has nothing to offer in that area and called it the dark ages. The United way.... the history built on dark ages so he doesn’t get the United way either let’s be clear.

As some stage he will go and the sooner the better. I don’t have time to go into that backline since he turned up I’ve made enough comments about this in previous posts. To be honest he can’t hack this job it’s too big and it’s come far too soon.
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What an absolute load of bollocks.
 
Halftrack said:
What an absolute load of bollocks.
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Have a laugh..... you would have employed ole with the same managerial track record he had if he was a Barca legend rather than a Utd legend as a player? Be honest now...... hand on heart you think we’re in for a SMB or SAF type of dominance under ole in the future years? If you do then no point talking let’s face it all the ole supporters know this deep down
 
BR7 said:
Even if you were right at least the next stooge would have some coaching ability. I’m going on what i see and having watched football all my life since 1981. 39 years of watching football and learning something along the way and I can tell you ole is not good enough and won’t be for a long while yet. Soooooo managing the biggest club in the world is frankly the worst case of privilege I’ve ever seen anyone benefit from. As ive said before, if ole had the same playing record for us but with Barca or Real Madrid but not Man Utd, would you have accepted him as our manager when he was brought in....... we all know the answer.

And it isn’t because he wouldn’t understand the United way, cos ole doesn’t understand the United way as it is. Those players are not playing for him and they do not seem too bothered when he turn s up on the touch line. SAF and SMB were shouters and when they turned upon the sideline the players knew it. I’ve never really seen too many SAF teams jog around like these guys do, not giving 100% ever. It’s down to the coach and his softly softly tactics which are not the United way. SAF was soft on the right players and really tough on others. He knew who to manipulate and how. Ole has nothing to offer in that area and called it the dark ages. The United way.... the history built on dark ages so he doesn’t get the United way either let’s be clear.

As some stage he will go and the sooner the better. I don’t have time to go into that backline since he turned up I’ve made enough comments about this in previous posts. To be honest he can’t hack this job it’s too big and it’s come far too soon.
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The best part was the players not playing for him. You should have spent all them years better mate :)
 
Interesting question I saw on the TV. Would Ole have been hired by Brighton or any other PL club?
 
Foxbatt said:
Interesting question I saw on the TV. Would Ole have been hired by Brighton or any other PL club?
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Why is that an interesting question? You have been asking over a year now, and you still don’t have your answer? You also said he deserved this season. Which is it?
 
BR7 said:
Be honest now...... hand on heart you think we’re in for a SMB or SAF type of dominance under ole in the future years?
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Heh, this kind of illustrates...something, doesn't it?

In the last hundred years or so, we've had exactly TWO managers who've won the (two) biggest prizes whilst at United. Namely those two you mention as examples of "dominance".

Does anyone think Ole will ever compare to Busby or SAF? Er...no? But what the feck is that supposed to prove?

The normal state for most clubs isn't to hire a man and then sit back and enjoy (mostly) for a quarter of a century.
 
FatherWolff said:
Why is that an interesting question? You have been asking over a year now, and you still don’t have your answer? You also said he deserved this season. Which is it?
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I guess you didn't read what I wrote. I said interesting question asked on the TV. It was a football program and they asked this question. It was interesting because non of the pundits thought Brighton would have hired him and no PL club would have hired him.
 
FatherWolff said:
Why is that an interesting question?
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It's not.

It's essentially a generic argument against hiring anyone who isn't proven (in one way or another).

No big club other than Barcelona would've hired Pep back in the day. And so forth.

"Yeah, but Pep was..."

No. Pep was not. He could've easily turned into yet another flop - and, again, NO other big club in the world would've taken a punt on him (of course not, why the feck would they?).
 
Foxbatt said:
I guess you didn't read what I wrote. I said interesting question asked on the TV. It was a football program and they asked this question. It was interesting because non of the pundits thought Brighton would have hired him and no PL club would have hired him.
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Haven't we had this debate multiple times? Pep, Zidane, Pirlo, Arteta, Lampard were less experienced than Ole at the time of appointment to a big club and those were bigger punts
 
BR7 said:
Have a laugh..... you would have employed ole with the same managerial track record he had if he was a Barca legend rather than a Utd legend as a player? Be honest now...... hand on heart you think we’re in for a SMB or SAF type of dominance under ole in the future years? If you do then no point talking let’s face it all the ole supporters know this deep down
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Players get appointed managers for massive clubs without much of a managerial history ALL the time. If they didn't we'd be recycling the same handful of managers in all big clubs, which was the case for many years before promoting more dilligently from within became a thing.

You think Zidane or Pep gets anywhere close to managing the first team in Barca or Real Madrid if they hadn't been players of the club? Both of them were put into managing the B sides before being given the first team jobs, exactly like Ole was in his day.

Hell man, Andrea Pirlo was manager for the Juventus U23 for 1 week before suddenly getting promoted to the manager spot at Juventus.

The thing about SAF's period is that he got VERY close to getting the sack as well when he started here. It took 3 years before he won anything, and even then the league performance was poor. Of course football was different then and the level of professionalism isn't really comparable anymore.

But all that being said, this willingness to not give people a chance after delivering above expectation in their first full season is honestly fecking weird. Why is this your opinion?
 
anant said:
Haven't we had this debate multiple times? Pep, Zidane, Pirlo, Arteta, Lampard were less experienced than Ole at the time of appointment to a big club and those were bigger punts
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That's not a good thing though. The fact that Ole has had 10 years of mediocre management works against him, more so than Pep or Zidane or Arteta having no experience at all.

The others barely had a management CV. Ole had an extensive one, and we still act as though he was a novice manager. And of course if any of those punts didn't initially work out, like Solari at Real for example, then they'd be swiftly replaced.
 
He'sRaldo said:
That's not a good thing though. The fact that Ole has had 10 years of mediocre management works against him, more so than Pep or Zidane or Arteta having no experience at all.

The others barely had a management CV. Ole had an extensive one, and we still act as though he was a novice manager. And of course if any of those punts didn't initially work out, like Solari at Real for example, then they'd be swiftly replaced.
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Ole's pre-Utd CV is really of no consequence now whatsoever. The job he does here is all that's important. He would have been replaced at Utd if it didn't work out initially, and he still will be if it doesn't work out in the future, just like any other manager. The reason he hasn't been replaced yet is simply because he's doing a decent job so far.
 
BR7 said:
Have a laugh..... you would have employed ole with the same managerial track record he had if he was a Barca legend rather than a Utd legend as a player? Be honest now...... hand on heart you think we’re in for a SMB or SAF type of dominance under ole in the future years? If you do then no point talking let’s face it all the ole supporters know this deep down
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Do you think United would have hired Pep straight from Barca B? Do you think Liverpool would have hired Pirlo, had Klopp announced he would step down after last season?

My opinions have no bearing on the quality of your posts, so I don't really see how they're relevant.
 
shaky said:
Ole's pre-Utd CV is really of no consequence now whatsoever. The job he does here is all that's important. He would have been replaced at Utd if it didn't work out initially, and he still will be if it doesn't work out in the future, just like any other manager. The reason he hasn't been replaced yet is simply because he's doing a decent job so far.
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It is obvious that as we have not even played 5 league games this season. He had a good season last year but his lack of grip on the on field playing so far has not been good compared to the competition.
 
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