Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[He'sRaldo]

Ole's pre-Utd CV is really of no consequence now whatsoever. The job he does here is all that's important. He would have been replaced at Utd if it didn't work out initially, and he still will be if it doesn't work out in the future, just like any other manager. The reason he hasn't been replaced yet is simply because he's doing a decent job so far.

Fair, that makes sense.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

This thread needs locking. It's an utter embarrassment. How anyone could even think of sacking Ole with the utter mess we have at the club above him is nothing short of a disgrace.

Jesus wept guys. Focus on the bigger problem eh?

 

[Sky1981]

This thread needs locking. It's an utter embarrassment. How anyone could even think of sacking Ole with the utter mess we have at the club above him is nothing short of a disgrace.

Jesus wept guys. Focus on the bigger problem eh?

Our inability to play like a well coached team is the biggest problem.

You can't keep on plastering the big gap by buying 100M+ players every season and hope they do wonders

 

[Sky1981]

Yes he will probably get sacked but it's also a fact that he has not been supported as managers of other clubs have been.
There are lots of players he can still buy from the PL that's better than some we have. It certainly would help a lot.

He has been spending a fortune since he got here. I'd say he's being backed enough given his actual status of a low tier manager.

Bruno 30
Maguire 80
AWB 50
James 15

That's hardly a modest budget. It's British record signing for Maguire

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Our inability to play like a well coached team is the biggest problem.

You can't keep on plastering the big gap by buying 100M+ players every season and hope they do wonders

Under Woodward Glazers Judge etc it won't make any difference who we have in charge mate.

People turning on Ole don't seem to grasp what that will do. The Board will get a reprive yet again. Is that what you want?

 

[Sky1981]

Under Woodward Glazers Judge etc it won't make any difference who we have in charge mate.

People turning on Ole don't seem to grasp what that will do. The Board will get a reprive yet again. Is that what you want?

Meh, it's the manager's job to fecking coach the team at his disposal.

If after 2.5 years and 200M spending he can't show a system where players can pass the ball against crystal palace then it matters not who's the DOF / Owner / Board

You really believe a new board would somehow made this team ticking? Or they'll somehow play Tiki - Taka?

The board is a problem, Ole is a problem, both can be a problem.

What do you think a manager job description is? Do you honestly think we need 120M sancho to beat Crystal Palace? AWB/Bruno/James/Maguire all looks like a dud purchase after 1 season...

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Meh, it's the manager's job to fecking coach the team at his disposal.

If after 2.5 years and 200M spending he can't show a system where players can pass the ball against crystal palace then it matters not who's the DOF / Owner / Board

You really believe a new board would somehow made this team ticking? Or they'll somehow play Tiki - Taka?

The board is a problem, Ole is a problem, both can be a problem

Didn't we get more Pts than Liverpool n City from Brunos debut to gw38? Didn't he beat Pep 3 times? Lampard 3 times? First manager to stop Liverpool's perfect start? Only lost 1 top 6 league game?

Mate you're taking out your anger on the wrong man.

 

[lysglimt]

Meh, it's the manager's job to fecking coach the team at his disposal.

If after 2.5 years and 200M spending he can't show a system where players can pass the ball against crystal palace then it matters not who's the DOF / Owner / Board

You really believe a new board would somehow made this team ticking? Or they'll somehow play Tiki - Taka?

The board is a problem, Ole is a problem, both can be a problem.

What do you think a manager job description is? Do you honestly think we need 120M sancho to beat Crystal Palace? AWB/Bruno/James/Maguire all looks like a dud purchase after 1 season...

We certainly have fans who are a problem as well.....

 

[Fts 74]

I'm sick of reading how all these great coaches have turned water into wine, when klopp had to eventually break the bank to bridge the gap despite saying he'd rather give up than do that whilst St Pep continues to throw millions around until something sticks.

Ole might not be the best coach in the world but he has done a decent job so far and deserves to be backed.

The people above are an absolute disgrace, they did exactly the same with Jose after we finished second, we didn't kick on cos they didn't get the players he wanted and it's looks like history is repeating itself with ole.

Blame ole all you want, I know who I blame and it isn't him.

 

[lysglimt]

That's not a good thing though. The fact that Ole has had 10 years of mediocre management works against him, more so than Pep or Zidane or Arteta having no experience at all.

So you are going to use it against him that he didn't win the C.L with Molde ?

 

[Mainoldo]

I'm sick of reading how all these great coaches have turned water into wine, when klopp had to eventually break the bank to bridge the gap despite saying he'd rather give up than do that whilst St Pep continues to throw millions around until something sticks.

Ole might not be the best coach in the world but he has done a decent job so far and deserves to be backed.

The people above are an absolute disgrace, they did exactly the same with Jose after we finished second, we didn't kick on cos they didn't get the players he wanted and it's looks like history is repeating itself with ole.

Blame ole all you want, I know who I blame and it isn't him.

Europa league final then champions league final with a weaker first team than ours. Maybe you should pay attention to water and wine.

 

[Litch]

I suspect whilst it's not directly his fault, towing the party line (which he has no other realistic option) will ultimately cost him his job.

 

[Sky1981]

Didn't we get more Pts than Liverpool n City from Brunos debut to gw38? Didn't he beat Pep 3 times? Lampard 3 times? First manager to stop Liverpool's perfect start? Only lost 1 top 6 league game?

Mate you're taking out your anger on the wrong man.

We resort to this? The sort of shit we laugh at rawk.

Oh it's ok we topped the APLT boys. Ole at the wheel

 

[Sky1981]

We certainly have fans who are a problem as well.....

It's always anyone's elses fault but ole.

For the record i give him this year. But it still doesnt look good if we dont even have a solid system after 2 years under ole

 

[He'sRaldo]

So you are going to use it against him that he didn't win the C.L with Molde ?

What works against him is the fact that he has a prior history of struggling in the PL, as opposed to managers like Pep or Zidane who have had a history of top level success from their very first gig.

In addition, if he was capable of winning the CL he most likely would not be at Molde so long. The smaller clubs tend to have average managers as well as players, and you can't really separate the manager from his situation in that respect.

 

[Mainoldo]

So you are going to use it against him that he didn't win the C.L with Molde ?

Well maybe he was at Molde for a reason.

 

[Fts 74]

Europa league final then champions league final with a weaker first team than ours. Maybe you should pay attention to water and wine.

Point still stands, he had to spend big to win the league and he knew it.

 

[K Stand Knut]

We certainly have fans who are a problem as well.....

Mate, you can’t do anything about people who can’t do simple arithmetic

 

[Foxbatt]

We all know that Woodward has been diabolical by not getting more players. But that doesn't hide the fact he has had one and half season already at United. But he has not been able to get much going. These players are not bad players. They are all international players playing for decent footballing countries. One is a WC winner.
Yes he has beaten Pep and other big managers. Fergie has lost to small clubs too but that doesn't mean the managers he lost are better than him? For a big club like United we must aim for the best. Look at Leeds now. A club from the Championship playing so well with so good formation and a system. That's good coaching. Surely our players individually are much better than their players? It's good coaching that makes them play so well. You don't put good football and Leeds United in one sentence. But now they are one of the most attractive sides now.

 

[Anustart89]

We all know that Woodward has been diabolical by not getting more players. But that doesn't hide the fact he has had one and half season already at United. But he has not been able to get much going. These players are not bad players. They are all international players playing for decent footballing countries. One is a WC winner.
Yes he has beaten Pep and other big managers. Fergie has lost to small clubs too but that doesn't mean the managers he lost are better than him? For a big club like United we must aim for the best. Look at Leeds now. A club from the Championship playing so well with so good formation and a system. That's good coaching. Surely our players individually are much better than their players? It's good coaching that makes them play so well. You don't put good football and Leeds United in one sentence. But now they are one of the most attractive sides now.

It's basically this.

IMO, with Ole, the team will always have a maximum level that is the sum of its parts. The only way for Ole to improve results-wise is therefore to increase the sum of the parts by buying externally, because the parts at his disposal don't seem to be improving much. The improved players under Ole can be counted on one hand, one of which is a player who we all knew was talented and who had had great seasons before, but who was frozen out under the previous manager (Martial), and the other is a player who was always breaking into the first team based on youth team showings (Greenwood). Rashford looked to be improving and was on track for a great season, but then he was over-played and exacerbated an injury which set him back quite a lot. Fred was looking very good but is out in the cold now for some reason.

 

[anant]

Meh, it's the manager's job to fecking coach the team at his disposal.

If after 2.5 years and 200M spending he can't show a system where players can pass the ball against crystal palace then it matters not who's the DOF / Owner / Board

You really believe a new board would somehow made this team ticking? Or they'll somehow play Tiki - Taka?

The board is a problem, Ole is a problem, both can be a problem.

What do you think a manager job description is? Do you honestly think we need 120M sancho to beat Crystal Palace? AWB/Bruno/James/Maguire all looks like a dud purchase after 1 season...

No coach in the world can make a player go up 3 odd levels. Great coaches can make a good player look great but not a BdO talent.

If we are to win the league we don't need to sign just good players, they need to be excellent players and via coaching these excellent players can go up a level or two up to help us win the title. Now, I genuinely don't recall any excellent player being available for cheap. Maguire was expensive, but he is pretty much the best defender that was available who fit into the criteria that we were looking for.

 

[Foxbatt]

No coach in the world can make a player go up 3 odd levels. Great coaches can make a good player look great but not a BdO talent.

If we are to win the league we don't need to sign just good players, they need to be excellent players and via coaching these excellent players can go up a level or two up to help us win the title. Now, I genuinely don't recall any excellent player being available for cheap. Maguire was expensive, but he is pretty much the best defender that was available who fit into the criteria that we were looking for.

What was that criteria we looking for?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Meh, it's the manager's job to fecking coach the team at his disposal.

If after 2.5 years and 200M spending he can't show a system where players can pass the ball against crystal palace then it matters not who's the DOF / Owner / Board

You really believe a new board would somehow made this team ticking? Or they'll somehow play Tiki - Taka?

The board is a problem, Ole is a problem, both can be a problem.

What do you think a manager job description is? Do you honestly think we need 120M sancho to beat Crystal Palace? AWB/Bruno/James/Maguire all looks like a dud purchase after 1 season...

2.5 years hahahahaha it gets a month longer every time I come in this thread

Just call it a clean decade

 

[dirkey]

It's basically this.

IMO, with Ole, the team will always have a maximum level that is the sum of its parts. The only way for Ole to improve results-wise is therefore to increase the sum of the parts by buying externally, because the parts at his disposal don't seem to be improving much. The improved players under Ole can be counted on one hand, one of which is a player who we all knew was talented and who had had great seasons before, but who was frozen out under the previous manager (Martial), and the other is a player who was always breaking into the first team based on youth team showings (Greenwood). Rashford looked to be improving and was on track for a great season, but then he was over-played and exacerbated an injury which set him back quite a lot. Fred was looking very good but is out in the cold now for some reason.

Matic, mctominay, Fred, rashford, martial, Greenwood have all improved under ole. People make excuses all the time "oh he was always gonna improve" etc for martial. Then, why didn't he under other managers? It's mental.

 

[Foxbatt]

Matic, mctominay, Fred, rashford, martial, Greenwood have all improved under ole. People make excuses all the time "oh he was always gonna improve" etc for martial. Then, why didn't he under other managers? It's mental.

Matic and Martial played as well as before. Greenwood was always going to make it. Yes Jose wanted to sell Martial. But Martial played as well under LVG who got him. Rashford I don't think so. McTominay the jury is still out. Fred was frozen out by Jose and seem to be under Ole too. It's not the individual players but the team needs to be better as a team. We don't play well as a team. Our brilliant players get us out of trouble most of the time.

 

[anant]

What was that criteria we looking for?

They haven't peaked yet, and that they are comfortable on the ball primarily along with the obvous one - they actually want to play for us and not joining us because of money. The other criteria - no one knows

 

[Matriac]

Well maybe he was at Molde for a reason.

Yeah, he was born and grew up an hour away from Molde. He was a big player for them before going to United and returned there after his adventure as a player and then U23 manager for us. Living close to his extended family and letting his kids grow up where he did, while also taking his old club to new heights by winning the league for the first time and stabilizing them as as a upper tier team in the league.

Almost likes he cares about family and history or something.

 

[Foxbatt]

They haven't peaked yet, and that they are comfortable on the ball primarily along with the obvous one - they actually want to play for us and not joining us because of money. The other criteria - no one knows

Plenty of those around who are much cheaper to buy. Much faster too.

 

[Foxbatt]

Yeah, he was born and grew up an hour away from Molde. He was a big player for them before going to United and returned there after his adventure as a player and then U23 manager for us. Living close to his extended family and letting his kids grow up where he did, while also taking his old club to new heights by winning the league for the first time and stabilizing them as as a upper tier team in the league.

Almost likes he cares about family and history or something.

Yes that's why he was there. Plus a big name as a player at United. Nothing wrong in starting there. Get his start from home and take them to the title too.

 

[Bilbo]

It's basically this.

IMO, with Ole, the team will always have a maximum level that is the sum of its parts. The only way for Ole to improve results-wise is therefore to increase the sum of the parts by buying externally, because the parts at his disposal don't seem to be improving much. The improved players under Ole can be counted on one hand, one of which is a player who we all knew was talented and who had had great seasons before, but who was frozen out under the previous manager (Martial), and the other is a player who was always breaking into the first team based on youth team showings (Greenwood). Rashford looked to be improving and was on track for a great season, but then he was over-played and exacerbated an injury which set him back quite a lot. Fred was looking very good but is out in the cold now for some reason.

How do you explain our record against the big 6 since he arrived? Its extremely good. Is it luck?

 

[K Stand Knut]

I suspect whilst it's not directly his fault, towing the party line (which he has no other realistic option) will ultimately cost him his job.

Yeah, because not towing the party line worked for Jose.

I know you’ve referred to it but he literally has no choice and he isn’t stupid enough to make veiled insults in press conferences because he has too many links to the club.

Look at the amount of fans who want rid already. Imagine how that would increase if he started to not tow the line.

 

[Bastian]

Yeah, because not towing the party line worked for Jose.

I know you’ve referred to it but he literally has no choice and he isn’t stupid enough to make veiled insults in press conferences because he has too many links to the club.

Look at the amount of fans who want rid already. Imagine how that would increase if he started to not tow the line.

Not that I think he'd have a chance of staying if he went full Jose, I don't think any fan would fault him in the slightest for doing so. Probably a great majority would back him.

 

[Foxbatt]

Yeah, because not towing the party line worked for Jose.

I know you’ve referred to it but he literally has no choice and he isn’t stupid enough to make veiled insults in press conferences because he has too many links to the club.

Look at the amount of fans who want rid already. Imagine how that would increase if he started to not tow the line.

So then he is fecked no matter?

 

[K Stand Knut]

Not that I think he'd have a chance of staying if he went full Jose, I don't think any fan would fault him in the slightest for doing so. Probably a great majority would back him.

I’d like to think that too but judging by the amount of imbeciles clambering for his head right now, I’m not so sure.

 

[K Stand Knut]

So then he is fecked no matter?

Well, only time will answer that question.

Maybe. Probably. Who knows?

 

[Lee565]

If this club is going to keep being cheap skates when get a top 4 spot then we should sack ole and get a manager in who can actually work some magic on a tight budget like potchettino.

 

[Judge Red]

The one thing Ole still had going for him up until now is he’d made the right kind of signings, focused on youth and got rid of the deadwood.

Ole no longer has anything going for him.

 

[Rightnr]

I've been critical of OGS and I still think he's not getting the most out of our players BUT this window and the last year has been ALL about our board.

OGS doesn't have control of signings and never has which was the argument to begin with. He's not got what he wanted because we're run by a bunch of accountants who don't know jack shit about football.

Pressure needs to be applied, one way or another. Doesn't matter if it works, at least try. At least get Judge out of the transfer business.

 

[Foxbatt]

The one thing Ole still had going for him up until now is he’d made the right kind of signings, focused on youth and got rid of the deadwood.

Ole no longer has anything going for him.

I think he has been screwed. He can't get rid of the biggest deadwoodward.

 

[Bastian]

I’d like to think that too but judging by the amount of imbeciles clambering for his head right now, I’m not so sure.

I'd assume most of the Ole out crowd (of which I am one) wouldn't want him sacked now, as it won't produce anything positive. If he were to distance himself from the owners in this fashion, I also assume a lot of the people who doubt him would feel more positive about him. I understand his position. I don't think he's good enough to manage the club, and therein lies the lack of leverage he's got. The only shield to being sacked is it would expose the decision makers and ownership even more and deepen the hatred felt by supporters.

You can realise that the ownership and the running of the club is orders of magnitude the biggest problem at the club, whilst also thinking Ole is simply nowhere near good enough.