Means feck all. Even 3 runners up medals would mean feck all.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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For United post SAF, which is important, it hasn't been an average season, far from it. In fact i'd go as far as to say it's been the most enjoyable/eventful season since the Great Man left.
You can only beat what's put in front of you in cup competitions as well you know, or would you have preferred it if we'd got knocked out early so you could have had something else to moan about?
Yeah okay Mr Angry.
He is brilliant coach but not what we need now. We have so many young players who need managers/coach who trust them and improve their game. Conte is more about getting experienced players to get the job done. He is too volatile.
Yeah, because we are are talking about someone who has been the best in his job for over a decade!
You can't be suggesting that Poch is the managerial equivalent of Messi, because even his biggest fan bois aren't that fecking deluded.
I'm not. But using Rob Corona's logic, we should all go support Messi and "turn our backs on United completely" if we think he's that good and wanted to sign him.
I'm just pointing out that thinking "that guy that isn't at United would be an improvement if he came to United" doesn't mean you're a fake fan. Plenty of OGS defenders here use stupid arguments like that and throw a fit when they get called out on it.
Agreed. He's like Mourinho. A good short term boost but will eventually sabotage himself so much he'll become a liability or just leave. I honestly believe he wanted to get sacked at Chelsea.
Who's throwing fits?
If you're Ole out you're in the minority and if your choice of replacement isn't a proven winner then expect kick back.
Its a strange time to be calling for a managerial replacement.
I'm fine with kickback. It's just the couple of times I've responded to the arguments from those rubbishing Poch, they just say "deluded" and don't bother explaining themselves. The arguments most of them use seem pretty obviously weak but they ignore it and just insult whoever disagrees with them.
Also, I don't think being in the minority means your opinion should automatically get dismissed. It's likely on a fan forum, but it makes the people who do it look daft.
Total nonsense. Why wouldn't they? And what is this culture that neither would understand?
That's another thing some people say. I don't think the culture at United is so unique a top manager wouldn't understand it. Liverpool have a unique culture and Klopp has no connection to it. Pep had no connection to Bayern. Was Alex Ferguson an ex player at United? Had Mourinho been at Inter before winning a treble? They all did alright. Football is football. A good football manager is a good football manager regardless of what some teams wearing a similar shirt did at the same stadium a decade ago. Some managers may suit some teams (not clubs) slightly more because of their playstyle but that's it.
All fans like to imagine that their club is some unique snowflake that only a select few can understand but it's no different from how all parents think that their child is more special than most.
I responded to the post you were called deluded for and explained why I didn't think the point you were making made much sense.
To be fair to other poster he'd given up at that stage as it seemed you were moving goalposts to make out Poch coming third, in what had been a two horse race, was some kind of achievement.
In and of themselves yes of course, but obviously it's about more than that for us. It's about progression.
I don't think it was moving goalposts. I explained why just limiting it to a two horse race was silly. It was only a two horse race because Spurs were better than everyone else other then Leicester. You can't just rule out every team Spurs was better than and say "well, they finished behind Leicester so that's rubbish".
That's the point I was calling you out on.
You're mischaracterising the argument and reducing it to simplistic nonsense.
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What I said to you originally is this:
Your retort, that it would mean every other manager failed because they didn't win the league, doesn't really hold water anyway as United and City changed their manager after that season and Liverpool and Chelsea fired theirs before Christmas.
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I don't remember your post actually.
Anyway, I disagree that I was reducing it. The point that poster made was already simple. I couldn't reduce it more if I tried.
But again, you could also point out that that good team that was playing well has to reflect well on Poch to some extent and the fact that, despite a poor end to the season, they still got one of the club's best results in the league. People who criticise Poch's record on here cherry pick the negatives (finishing behind Leicester and Arsenal one year, bad end to that season) and ignore the positives (finishing ahead of everyone else, being well ahead of everyone else for the vast majority of that season). It's similar to how some pundits have criticised OGS by saying Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have had issues so finishing ahead of them somehow doesn't count.
There is a reason that Poch wasn't sacked after that season. Because everyone (outside of United fans looking back on this season in 2020 trying to defend OGS) could see that he had done a good job. Maybe the vast majority of pundits, non-United fans and journalists who seem to rate Poch highly (or at least higher than OGS) are all wrong and united fans trying to defend Ole are right about his main competitor for the job and we should all shut up and root for Ole or go support Poch instead but I doubt it.
Under Poch, Spurs finished higher in the league then they did before, went further in the CL then they did before and consistently competed with teams spending much more then them. That's a good performance.
Whatever my opinion on OGS, if our board fail to give him at least 2 decent signings, it pretty much means our ambition is top 4. So unless he's a miracle worker, OGS ain't winning no league with us but this would be the case for any other decent manager.
The combination of reluctance to spend and absolutely clueless transfer business means we don't stand a chance as a club. Liverpool also have greedy owners but at least they've made sure their structure allows them to make money and keep the club successful.
The combination of reluctance to spend and absolutely clueless transfer business means we don't stand a chance as a club. Liverpool also have greedy owners but at least they've made sure their structure allows them to make money and keep the club successful.
I don't think anyone's denying he did a good job at Spurs overall but he really should have done better that year. He had a very good squad.
If you're going to fire one manager who's improved the team when things are on the up and all you've got is a good performance at Spurs then it seems a little odd.
This is the Ole out thread after all and the timing is off is what I'm saying.
With this team Ole has taken it as far as he has taken. He needs more quality players to make a judgement on him now. My biggest worry is that we will only sign players like Dan James etc and that will not improve our team at all. The other worry is that Woodward will not give him the players and there is no way Ole can make up on the top two or even maintain top 4 if that is so. The fans will not turn on Ole if that is the case and rightly so too as he needs the players to make the team better.
Give him the players and then if he does not deliver yes, replace him.
Give him the players and then if he does not deliver yes, replace him.
Lost 3 semifinals in one season, two of which we are favourites. He should be sacked for just that alone. Such a weak manager. Let's put it this way. He would never be on the shortlist for any top 7 clubs in England if they are looking for a new manager never mind an elite club. We should have just let him go end of the season and signed Pochettino.
Where's the white text?
Would you say that you are a reactionary person or someone who thinks about their opinions at length and then presents them in a fashion that invites both praise and criticism?
If you look at our net spend following seasons we made CL vs missed, its significantly higher when we fail to qualify. That shows you the Glazers/board care about the revenue and sponsorship implications (addias deal) of making top 4. That's it. The Glazers and Ed especially with his background are businessmen FIRST, second and third. The ambition to win falls on the manager and players. It was always like that even during SAF. But SAF was a serial winner who was OBSESSED with winning so it wasn't as obvious.
You dont seem to grasp the connection between a rebuild and culture (going back to our roots)
If you are going to use Klopp as an example, and I think you should. Look at the time he needed to reset and build his team. It was the same for Pep, although he took over a winning team and got backed insanely. If you can’t recognise how far Utd have drifted from their identity and culture, I am not surprised you don’t recognise the job that needs to be done. Right now the job isn’t being backed, unless you think Ole should turn Lingard into Messi. You might want to focus on the peices in that puzzle instead. But then again, reading through your posts I don’t think you are a Utd supporter at all, but a whum.
Such a terrible manager. Has no vision for the club and no players would ever want to play for a PE teacher. Sack him now!!!!!! AM i Rite?
Ole signs player desperately wanted by Real Madrid.
Ole signs player desperately wanted by Real Madrid.
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Why would anyone sack ole at this point? His signings look good, he has clubs interest at heart, red through and through. Players love him. Fans love him. He needs time and proper backing.
Close this god-awful thread, never right from the start and now it’s just plain stupid!
Such a terrible manager. Has no vision for the club and no players would ever want to play for a PE teacher. Sack him now!!!!!!
Ole signs player shortlisted by Real Madrid.
But but he only likes english players.
they are still lurking, polluting this forum with their moan and hate. Today is not a good day for them
Still though, 1 transfer and closing this thread, doesn't make him suitable for the job
Close the thread...
Checks thread....
Rekindled by man taking digs at the ‘Opps’. I think the Ole fanboi’s are the actual ones keeping this going
Checks thread....
Rekindled by man taking digs at the ‘Opps’. I think the Ole fanboi’s are the actual ones keeping this going
"Going back to our roots" is irrelevant. Getting better is the issue. Klopp didn't solve any 'drift from culture'. He just took over a crap team and made them better.
Klopp and Pep had a track record and deserved faith. OGS has no track record to suggest he can do a similar job. I'm also skeptical that he can get the most out of the players we have. He was a brilliant choice of interim manager and things went really well. Unfortunately, our club has no plan beyond the next few months so just appointed him off of that. Hopefully, it works out but I am skeptical that it will.
I'm aware that questioning the manager means you're somehow not a "real" supporter in some people's eyes but seeing as that's a stupid idea, I don't care.
It’s fine to question a manager but if anyone questions him now while he’s doing a fine job of building the best team we’ve had since fergie left then they need their head checking.
Obviously the better the team he builds will result in an increase in our expectations but right now, right this second we should all be happy with the direction we’re heading.
The improvements are all over the pitch now. I was sceptical at first but Ole is doing a good job.
I'm not happy because (1) I don't think Woodward is genuine about paying for a title winning squad and (b) it would be a waste of money anyway without a world class coach capable of playing a team in a modern formation. I might be wrong of course. But I don't see any reason at all to think so.
So Sancho and a CB should I be expecting top3 or do I have to wait another season for my expectations to be a title challenge and I can truly judge him then?
Disclaimer* Only if we get the transfers we require for next summer too.
Yeah we might aswell stay where we are. Good forbid we have a team good enough to challenge. Would just be a big disappointment. Like Jose’s second season.
Top 3 isn't a title challenge so I'm not sure what you are asking here?
What is a 'modern formation'?
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