Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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What does this even mean, the person you've quoted is saying Klopp, Zidane etc started managing their respective clubs with no prior experience or winning, which is a fair point, however they then proved they were worthy of the position. We didn't hire Ole immediately after he stopped playing with no prior experience, he's been in management since 2008, the same time as Guardiola has been managing ffs, did Ole prove in those 12 years he's good enough to manage Manchester United, are his credentials as good as Guardiola's are they, in the same time?

The argument that no top club would hire him holds weight because Ole hasn't shown anything in those 12 odd years of management that he's good enough for such a job, which is why he has never been approached for one until we came along, where as the other managers mentioned worked their way from the bottom and proved that they could do it


Zidane and Pep in particular worked their way from the bottom.....with teams that each had a legendary player you can only get through cheatcodes and Endless Budget cheatcodes plus some of the biggest talents in the game at your disposal from day 1.

Whereas Andrea Pirlo has recently worked his way up from a 9 day stay with the Juventus U23 team to the manager position. To the surprise of no one he will do well in the job since he too plays football with cheatcodes in italy.
 
Zidane and Pep in particular worked their way from the bottom.....with teams that each had a legendary player you can only get through cheatcodes and Endless Budget cheatcodes plus some of the biggest talents in the game at your disposal from day 1.

Whereas Andrea Pirlo has recently worked his way up from a 9 day stay with the Juventus U23 team to the manager position. To the surprise of no one he will do well in the job since he too plays football with cheatcodes in italy.
Does Pirlo even have coaching licenses to manage at Serie A level? I remember him saying previously he had no interest in coaching.
 
Does Pirlo even have coaching licenses to manage at Serie A level? I remember him saying previously he had no interest in coaching.

No he doesn't.

He was only just hired as the U23 coach and then promoted before he'd really done anything.

Apparently his assistant has the badges and he'll take care of all the admin til Pirlo gets his.
 
I do not think Poch is the man. Yes he took Spurs to a CL final but I think someone like Nagelsmann would be much better than Poch.

Even with the 'he took Spurs to a CL final'. Di Matteo reached and won a CL final with a poor Chelsea side. I defy any observer/fan of Spurs to point out one game in that run that we looked good in - we just didn't. It was shocking stuff with smash-and-grab football at the end. We were nearly knocked out at every single stage.

It's an achievement and, of course, one of the finest accomplishments in our recent history (as sad as it may be to fans of other clubs), but it was also a completely fluke occurrence that doesn't even rank near to what Bayern have done this season, for example. We were absolutely awful in that season and the fact is that we got absolutely gifted a way into the CL Final, and would have finished well down the table if it weren't for United/Chelsea/Arsenal etc all missing the chance to knock us down a few places.
Don't have to take anecdotes - in the final 6 games (18 pts) of the 2018/19 season, we were 15th in the form table:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/pre...e/wettbewerb/GB1?saison_id=2018&min=32&max=38


As harsh as it sounds, Nagelsmann could just be another De Boer or AVB. He's young and has a talented team, but they are a good fit for him. Santo is underrated for what he's done at Wolves.
 
Do I think he is the right manager to get us challenging ? No
Do I think he should be sacked ? No

He got us top 3 best he could do as we were never finishing ahead of Liverpool or City. 66 points was poor would of got us 6th last year but who cares.
He deserves next season and see how we start off and continue into day November/December.

Positives.
Got rid of deadwood.
Signed Bruno
Has faith in younger players.
Looked good at times.

Negatives.
In game tactics
Making subs too late.
Jury out on actual coaching ability
While it was praised early on I don’t think his signings have worked out the best.
 
We won't. And it might not have worked. But what is certain is that it wasnt working as it was. If Ole had made changes and it didn't work, we couldn't have complained. Well I wouldn't have.

And paying Ighalo's wages for the rest of the season was money well spent wasn't it :rolleyes:

Yes the club should have planned for a global pandemic just in case. I'm going to tell your parents you actually made this argument so they can scorn you over the phone
 
At this moment in time this is a pointless thread as he is not going to be sacked no matter what right now. If we are in the bottom half by halfway of next season he may get sacked. If he does not improve on the 3rd place next season, I would support sacking him. But that said Woodward as to support him in the transfer market too. We certainly need a CB and DM and a forward too.
 
Yes the club should have planned for a global pandemic just in case. I'm going to tell your parents you actually made this argument so they can scorn you over the phone
Youll need a medium then...
 
If he does not improve on the 3rd place next season, I would support sacking him. But that said Woodward as to support him in the transfer market too. We certainly need a CB and DM and a forward too.

Overall, I'm really pleased with what Solskjaer is doing to the squad, clearing up the mess of years of mismanagement, disharmony and piss poor transfer business.
That degree of damage doesn't get resolved overnight, but Solskjaer is doing all the right things in this regard.

To have got 3rd and reached 3 semi finals, is very encouraging, but if he isn't backed 100% in the transfer window, there is not a cat in hells chance of improving on that 3rd place finish, infact it will be a very tall order to make top 4 when rivals will be improving.

I'm not Saying that Solskjaer is the best manager around, but i do firmly believe that he is the best option for United at this time.
Even so, I realistically don't see United mounting a serious title challenge for 2 or 3 years, and that depends on Liverpool & City declining, and United being ready to take advantage when that opportunity comes.
 
I actually have a question for the Ole out fans:

1) Why is this season a failure in your eyes (And if you're saying "It's not a failure.. but" - What is the "but"?)
2) What should Ole have done differently to improve our season
3) Why can't he improve the results next season?
 
We will keep Ole but the question is, will the board back him? If not then we should not expect too much more than this season. The ball at the board's court.
 
Overall, I'm really pleased with what Solskjaer is doing to the squad, clearing up the mess of years of mismanagement, disharmony and piss poor transfer business.
That degree of damage doesn't get resolved overnight, but Solskjaer is doing all the right things in this regard.

To have got 3rd and reached 3 semi finals, is very encouraging, but if he isn't backed 100% in the transfer window, there is not a cat in hells chance of improving on that 3rd place finish, infact it will be a very tall order to make top 4 when rivals will be improving.

I'm not Saying that Solskjaer is the best manager around, but i do firmly believe that he is the best option for United at this time.
Even so, I realistically don't see United mounting a serious title challenge for 2 or 3 years, and that depends on Liverpool & City declining, and United being ready to take advantage when that opportunity comes.

That's a very sensible post. I am not complaining about him being kept for next season. My complain is that he can do better with his current squad than he is doing now.
When he started he got the counter attacking going. It worked but for some odd reason he is not doing it.
When the opposition fbs attacked we got our counter attacking going. But now we are not doing it.
To me he is not flexible enough. It's always three strikers no matter what. He should depending on the opposition play with two strikers. His game management is very poor.
Over all during a season I can't see him getting better than Pep or Klopp. During a one off game yes he obviously has.
Yes he needs reinforcement of course. But I would prefer a top quality coach too who has a proven track record.
 
I actually have a question for the Ole out fans:

1) Why is this season a failure in your eyes (And if you're saying "It's not a failure.. but" - What is the "but"?)
2) What should Ole have done differently to improve our season
3) Why can't he improve the results next season?
Think even the Ole in fans should answer this questions.

Anyway, I'm not an Ole out, for now.

1) Why is this season a failure in your eyes?
Not a failure, not a success season either. Just an average season. Lowest standard fulfilled - CL qualified. United should always be in CL every season minimum. Winning nothing except bragging rights with good new records/stats is not a success for me. Then the fact our football while better as attacking side and won fancier stats, have a lot of glaring weaknesses, obvious really.


2) What should Ole have done differently to improve our season?
A - Change the system to 433 basically. That's his best system in season 18/19, the 4231 even with Bruno is pale in comparison. Definitely not playing Pogba to his best.

B - Bring in more better attacking coach. Why? obvious reasons.

C - Rotate better by playing more Fred, McT and Ighalo. They are our next bests, and first half of this season proved Fred and McT are good enough. Ighalo is also that good, score every game he starts, even if it's against the weak teams... which we had a great record of struggling to score against. Play McT more vs the big teams, he's that good in big games. He didn't play against Chelsea FA semi final, not saying he'll score or assists but definitely we won't look so half-hearted, toothless or lack of fighting spirit.

D - Sub better and definitely earlier. Proactive substitutions. Remember how proactive he were with no fear and good calculations when he first takeover, caretaker months. That was very good moves, even if we lose all the games, I'll support his decisions. It's not consistent ever since he became a permanent manager.



3) Why can't he improve the results next season?
Hope he can, but so far.. it doesn't look good.

Why?
A - no transfers, so far which is not on him. I'm sure Ole have been work hard pushing the deals to get new players in behind closed doors.

B - No confident Ole will change his ways (he likely won't) as explained above in 2). He prove this season he is generally stubborn... which can both be a good and bad attribute. Bad is when he thinks everything is good enough, blind to his weaknesses, and not learning nor adapting more. Let's face it, Ole is not a top manager so at least he should always try and learn to improve his management/coaching/etc skills to be better. I think the good part of being stubborn is obvious and definitely benefited the current team to an extent. Finding a good balance between both is the tricky part, and I don't trust Ole balanced it well based from the recent season 19/20... or even the latter part of 18/19 at the closing stages of that season.
 
He’ll be sacked by Christmas after he is let down by the board this summer.
 
No signings yet put more pressure on Ole to coach the side well and lift his squad players. Could get ugly again, but hopefully we will avoid key injuries this season.
 
Pochettino is better than Ole, but if we appoint him we're committing to at least another few years without silverware.

This notion that we can forget silverware under Pochettino is wrong. If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies... It is not like " until a manager has won at least one trophy" he is not capable of winning silverware... One does not have to have won a trophy already to be capable of winning more. What about the x amounts of managers that have never won a trophy. Are they never going to win a trophy? And if we are only evaluating potential managers that have won a trophy already we are filtering out a number of up and coming managers with good ideas. Nagelsmann has never won a trophy(u19 bundesliga in 13/14 does not count), so I guess he is never going to win one, and we should never consider him as a potential future manager?
 
He brought on James and Igalho who are both his signings.

Yes, and they are able to perform against lesser opponents. If the quality of the players in the squad was so bad last summer, then maybe we should have prioritized to get more players than buying a CB for £80m, a winger having played 1 season in the Championship and a fullback for £50m...
 
This notion that we can forget silverware under Pochettino is wrong. If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies... It is not like " until a manager has won at least one trophy" he is not capable of winning silverware... One does not have to have won a trophy already to be capable of winning more. What about the x amounts of managers that have never won a trophy. Are they never going to win a trophy? And if we are only evaluating potential managers that have won a trophy already we are filtering out a number of up and coming managers with good ideas. Nagelsmann has never won a trophy(u19 bundesliga in 13/14 does not count), so I guess he is never going to win one, and we should never consider him as a potential future manager?

With your logic every manager is capable winning trophies. That includes managers you are not in favor of.

I would turn it around and ask you: if Pochettino fotball is so great, why has it never converted into trophies?
Maybe Poch is not smart enough, his football is predictable. he is obviously figured out by the EPL top six.
 
Three Cup semi-finals, and achieving the primary aim(CL) is just an average season, wow just wow

For Man Utd it's an average season. We used to make fun of Arsenal for celebrating making top 4 every year. Making the EL semifinal by beating Copenhagen to get there and getting knocked out by Sevilla is no great achievement. 3rd is decent for a rebuild process, but we also finished 33 points behind the leaders. Beating City has been a highlight though.
 
With your logic every manager is capable winning trophies. That includes managers you are not in favor of.

I would turn it around and ask you: if Pochettino fotball is so great, why has it never converted into trophies?
Maybe Poch is not smart enough, his football is predictable. he is obviously figured out by the EPL top six.

I am just tired of the notion that Pochettino = no trophies based on the simple fact that he did not win anything with Tottenham. What he did was improving their players, coaching Tottenham to be able to bring the ball into the final third and, until his final half season, make Tottenham a safe bet for top 4 and an ECL final etc while not spending extreme amounts on players... He did a lot of things right and improved a team without depending on the heavy investment other managers seems to depend on.

Given time at a club aiming to compete he would be able to compete for trophies and maybe win some. I'm not saying that he is the best potential manager we could get, only that the whole "never one a trophy" argument is simplistic and should not really be a factor.

His two downsides as a coach/manager are:
  • the dependency of mentally and physically fresh players to make his style of play work. Meaning that you would need a large squad and not many old players.
  • Most important issue: Despite being able to dominate the possession and the game, Tottenham still struggled to create chances against a parked bus without depending on a large number of crosses and hoping that one or two finds a players.
 
This notion that we can forget silverware under Pochettino is wrong. If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies... It is not like " until a manager has won at least one trophy" he is not capable of winning silverware... One does not have to have won a trophy already to be capable of winning more. What about the x amounts of managers that have never won a trophy. Are they never going to win a trophy? And if we are only evaluating potential managers that have won a trophy already we are filtering out a number of up and coming managers with good ideas. Nagelsmann has never won a trophy(u19 bundesliga in 13/14 does not count), so I guess he is never going to win one, and we should never consider him as a potential future manager?

On what basis is Poch better than Ole?

"If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies..."

Can you tell me which part of your own quote has Solskjaer not done? It's always amazing how most, if not all of the arguments that people post in here in favour of shiny new managers are conveiniently disregarded when applied to Solskjaer.

It's getting quite laughable now.
 
Yes, Poch is the answer. Even if Poch is not solution, i know that Ole certainly is not the guy who will lead us forward. And you seriously underestimate other leagues. Italy and Spain are not weaker than PL.

Oh so you know that ? Very little in your posts indicate that you KNOW very much
 
For Man Utd it's an average season. We used to make fun of Arsenal for celebrating making top 4 every year. Making the EL semifinal by beating Copenhagen to get there and getting knocked out by Sevilla is no great achievement. 3rd is decent for a rebuild process, but we also finished 33 points behind the leaders. Beating City has been a highlight though.

It’s actually a relatively good season based on recent years. We’re not at the top any more, we’re not managed by SAF and we’re not the powerhouse we used to be right now. We’re making steps in the right direction. Expectations need to be adjusted.
 
He wasnt the answer to us, Juve, Barca and Bayern. Maybe they are all run badly?

It's strange that Barcelona would prefer Koeman who hasn't done really well as a manager outside of Holland in his entire career - than the great Pochettino who according to a lot of people here is the best manager in the world.
 
It's strange that Barcelona would prefer Koeman who hasn't done really well as a manager outside of Holland in his entire career - than the great Pochettino who according to a lot of people here is the best manager in the world.

I’m very much Pro - Ole and Anti - Poch but tbf to Poch, IIRC, he did say that he’ll rather go farming in Argentina than manage Barcelona.

EDIT: He did

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/26/football/1516966206_834653.amp.html

So burnt his bridges there, no wonder they didn’t approach
 
It's strange that Barcelona would prefer Koeman who hasn't done really well as a manager outside of Holland in his entire career - than the great Pochettino who according to a lot of people here is the best manager in the world.
I think there's a lot of people in here who don't quite understand how important understanding your employer's culture has more weight than a CV or achievements. Pochettino is undoubtedly a good manager but he'd never succeed at a club like United, neither would Nagelsmaan
 
I’m very much Pro - Ole and Anti - Poch but tbf to Poch, IIRC, he did say that he’ll rather go farming in Argentina than manage Barcelona.

EDIT: He did

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2018/01/26/football/1516966206_834653.amp.html

So burnt his bridges there, no wonder they didn’t approach
You think Barcelona would theoretically turn down the best manager in the world because he made an off the cuff remark about managing the team when spotted by press leaving a building with the chairman of Barcelona?
 
The longer Poch is unemployed, the greater his legend grows.
My uncle Jack would have been the finest sailor/miner/machine operator in the world, he was unemployed for so long.
Even when Poch gets a job, if he fails, the same people will be here with reasons for it not being his fault.

If he is so important to you, turn your backs on United completely, and go and support team Poch.
 
On what basis is Poch better than Ole?

"If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies..."

Can you tell me which part of your own quote has Solskjaer not done? It's always amazing how most, if not all of the arguments that people post in here in favour of shiny new managers are conveiniently disregarded when applied to Solskjaer.

It's getting quite laughable now.

While the post you responded to was not a critic of OGS in particular, as in "football the right way" is subjective, but a post critiquing the notion that Pochettino will never win you trophies.
To answer your questions I think some context is needed on how I view OGS as a manager and his approach to football:
While I have never been a particular fan of how unsystematically we have played under OGS and how dependent we have been on the players to be able to create chances (As in how we attack seems to be completely up to the players and while having the "freedom to express themselves" is good, there should also be some elements within the squad as a fundament from where the players can express themselves. This might be a factor as for why we look so helpless when some of the backups are playing.), I think OGS is a great man manager.

He has changed the, based on how it looked from the outside, bad culture within the squad and club into a positive environment where players are able to feel good and thus perform better on the pitch. This is similar to how SAF operated and he had assistants and coaches that helped him with the tactical aspect and game management. This seems to not be the case under OGS and unless we get in someone to help in this area, we are unlikely to improve without resorting to buying better players that knows how to play a certain way and can create and dictate play without depending on a coached passing pattern/movement and system on how to progress the ball and break down compact defences. (Like we did with Bruno).

Given that OGS has improved the culture within the squad, we look less panicked when we concede a goal and are not giving up as soon as we struggle in a match. Changing the culture is one of the most important steps in a rebuild and this seems to have been fixed in large thanks to OGS and his ability to speak and manage some of the players. The next step is to improve our ability to dominate and break down weaker teams that are compact, press a certain way etc. We have somewhat done this since the restart, but again, this is more on the players than any game tactic or passing pattern... So unless OGS did what SAF did and gets some help from someone more competent in the tactical and "how to play" side of things, I think OGS has taken us as far (3rd) as he is going to get. We will not be able to compete with Liverpool and City in the league purely based on having good attacking players that are given freedom and are happy. The team needs to improve its ability to pass, break down compact teams systematically and look less disjointed in both the pressing and attacking phases-->
  1. More players able to and contributing in attack and create/score (as exemplified by Bayern against Barca)
  2. Better at keeping possession and progress the ball into the final third without making high-risk dribbles or passes against weaker teams (most top teams are able to do this)
  3. In general have players with the ability to function in different roles in the attack, as in fullbacks can go central to pass, wide to cross and stretch the opposition and make runs to disrupt the opposition's backline. Especially the fullback positions.
As already stated, OGS has done one of the most important things right: Fixing the culture/mentality within the squad. If he can get someone competent in to handle/help with how we should play then the tactical/approach to the football element of this equation might not be a problem. Still, I doubt we will be able to play even somewhat similar to the way Bayern does (which I think is the best/most dominant we have seen for the last 20 years, or at least since peak Barca under Pep) based on the current players in the squad and some of the players OGS has signed. And based on the players bought and the amount spent on them, our squad is not that much better or suited to play the way, I subjectively think, we should aim to play and is most likely able to make us competitive at the highest level again.

AWB really struggles on the ball and is unlikely to improve much in this area without completely changing the way he controls it, which again is unlikely to happen soon as this would take a serious amount of drilling to change. Maguire lack of mobility makes it extremely risky to have a high backline with the fullbacks pushing forwards since he will struggle in any 1v1 situation against an agile attacker with space unlike Boateng (not Messi) or Alaba. It is not that he is a bad defender, only that he got that major weakness that can be exploited in certain situations. Daniel James is a pace merchant and completely dependent on space to be effective.
Bruno is a good player that suits most approaches on how to play football.

TL;DR: What OGS has done right: Fixed the culture/mentality within the squad, which he should get a lot of credit for and is fundamental for the future. If he can get someone in that helps with the tactical side and help us play a more cohesive and possession-oriented approach (Bayern) then we might be able to challenge City/Liverpool in the future. If not, then I think we have reached our peak with OGS as the manager. Not impressed with the transfers made last summer.
 
On what basis is Poch better than Ole?

"If you do the right things, play the "right type of football", improve the squad/players etc then over time you will win trophies..."

Can you tell me which part of your own quote has Solskjaer not done? It's always amazing how most, if not all of the arguments that people post in here in favour of shiny new managers are conveiniently disregarded when applied to Solskjaer.

It's getting quite laughable now.

Ole plays good football? That’s the laughable bit. He’s up there with Allegri on football style.
 
Ole plays good football? That’s the laughable bit. He’s up there with Allegri on football style.
Depends on what you classify as good football btw.

Personally, I value team having more shots, playing more in opposition third, taking a few risks and dribbling more. It seems that you prefer more defensive style of football, so...

MetricMan Utd 2019/20Spurs 2018/19
xG
66.19
61.75​
xGA
38.06
49.15​
Possession
54.60%​
56.70%
Pass%
83.60%
83.20%​
Shots
14.3
14.1​
Shots OT
5.7
5​
Dribbles
11.7
9.7​
Fouled
11.2
9.6​
Shots conceded*
10.3
12.1​
Interceptions
9.9
8.6​
Fouls conceded
11.1​
9.9
Through balls
2​
3
Action in opposition third
30%
28%​
Unsuccessful touches*
14.7
15.9​
Dispossessed
10.4​
9.2
 
While the post you responded to was not a critic of OGS in particular, as in "football the right way" is subjective, but a post critiquing the notion that Pochettino will never win you trophies.
To answer your questions I think some context is needed on how I view OGS as a manager and his approach to football:
While I have never been a particular fan of how unsystematically we have played under OGS and how dependent we have been on the players to be able to create chances (As in how we attack seems to be completely up to the players and while having the "freedom to express themselves" is good, there should also be some elements within the squad as a fundament from where the players can express themselves. This might be a factor as for why we look so helpless when some of the backups are playing.), I think OGS is a great man manager.

He has changed the, based on how it looked from the outside, bad culture within the squad and club into a positive environment where players are able to feel good and thus perform better on the pitch. This is similar to how SAF operated and he had assistants and coaches that helped him with the tactical aspect and game management. This seems to not be the case under OGS and unless we get in someone to help in this area, we are unlikely to improve without resorting to buying better players that knows how to play a certain way and can create and dictate play without depending on a coached passing pattern/movement and system on how to progress the ball and break down compact defences. (Like we did with Bruno).

Given that OGS has improved the culture within the squad, we look less panicked when we concede a goal and are not giving up as soon as we struggle in a match. Changing the culture is one of the most important steps in a rebuild and this seems to have been fixed in large thanks to OGS and his ability to speak and manage some of the players. The next step is to improve our ability to dominate and break down weaker teams that are compact, press a certain way etc. We have somewhat done this since the restart, but again, this is more on the players than any game tactic or passing pattern... So unless OGS did what SAF did and gets some help from someone more competent in the tactical and "how to play" side of things, I think OGS has taken us as far (3rd) as he is going to get. We will not be able to compete with Liverpool and City in the league purely based on having good attacking players that are given freedom and are happy. The team needs to improve its ability to pass, break down compact teams systematically and look less disjointed in both the pressing and attacking phases-->
  1. More players able to and contributing in attack and create/score (as exemplified by Bayern against Barca)
  2. Better at keeping possession and progress the ball into the final third without making high-risk dribbles or passes against weaker teams (most top teams are able to do this)
  3. In general have players with the ability to function in different roles in the attack, as in fullbacks can go central to pass, wide to cross and stretch the opposition and make runs to disrupt the opposition's backline. Especially the fullback positions.
As already stated, OGS has done one of the most important things right: Fixing the culture/mentality within the squad. If he can get someone competent in to handle/help with how we should play then the tactical/approach to the football element of this equation might not be a problem. Still, I doubt we will be able to play even somewhat similar to the way Bayern does (which I think is the best/most dominant we have seen for the last 20 years, or at least since peak Barca under Pep) based on the current players in the squad and some of the players OGS has signed. And based on the players bought and the amount spent on them, our squad is not that much better or suited to play the way, I subjectively think, we should aim to play and is most likely able to make us competitive at the highest level again.

AWB really struggles on the ball and is unlikely to improve much in this area without completely changing the way he controls it, which again is unlikely to happen soon as this would take a serious amount of drilling to change. Maguire lack of mobility makes it extremely risky to have a high backline with the fullbacks pushing forwards since he will struggle in any 1v1 situation against an agile attacker with space unlike Boateng (not Messi) or Alaba. It is not that he is a bad defender, only that he got that major weakness that can be exploited in certain situations. Daniel James is a pace merchant and completely dependent on space to be effective.
Bruno is a good player that suits most approaches on how to play football.

TL;DR: What OGS has done right: Fixed the culture/mentality within the squad, which he should get a lot of credit for and is fundamental for the future. If he can get someone in that helps with the tactical side and help us play a more cohesive and possession-oriented approach (Bayern) then we might be able to challenge City/Liverpool in the future. If not, then I think we have reached our peak with OGS as the manager. Not impressed with the transfers made last summer.

I've wanted to make a post like this but really couldn't be arsed as I knew it would be ignored, as your post seems to, unfortunately.

You've pretty much summed up my exact feelings on Ole. He's done some very good things, some not so great and some really bad things. I hope he can improve on his weaknesses, or as youv'e suggested maybe getting help from elsewhere.
 
Depends on what you classify as good football btw.

Personally, I value team having more shots, playing more in opposition third, taking a few risks and dribbling more. It seems that you prefer more defensive style of football, so...

MetricMan Utd 2019/20Spurs 2018/19
xG
66.19
61.75​
xGA
38.06
49.15​
Possession
54.60%​
56.70%
Pass%
83.60%
83.20%​
Shots
14.3
14.1​
Shots OT
5.7
5​
Dribbles
11.7
9.7​
Fouled
11.2
9.6​
Shots conceded*
10.3
12.1​
Interceptions
9.9
8.6​
Fouls conceded
11.1​
9.9
Through balls
2​
3
Action in opposition third
30%
28%​
Unsuccessful touches*
14.7
15.9​
Dispossessed
10.4​
9.2

I’m really only concerned on what the football looks like to be honest. I’ll never deny we play attacking football. It’s just not very good as in appeasing on the eye. But like you said comes down to what you like. For instance Fergie’s last two seasons wasn’t very attractive, however we still was attacking.

Also for the love of god can we talk about Ole without talking about Poch. I don’t care.
 
I’m really only concerned on what the football looks like to be honest. I’ll never deny we play attacking football. It’s just not very good as in appeasing on the eye. But like you said comes down to what you like. For instance Fergie’s last two seasons wasn’t very attractive, however we still was attacking.

Also for the love of god can we talk about Ole without talking about Poch. I don’t care.

The thing is, we watch every minute of our team play with full concentration and watch other teams' highlights or watch their games while doing something else. Due to this, we have developed this mindset that our games are boring. look at highlights reel of our games this season, and I'm certain you'd find them as entertaining.

You quoted a post that compared Ole and Poch, you post compared Ole's and Poch's style and hence the comparison. Our fans' underrating Ole's ability is laughable and a typical case of grass always being greener on the other side.
 
Three Cup semi-finals, and achieving the primary aim(CL) is just an average season, wow just wow

If you factor in that the path to the Europa semi final was devoid of quality opponents, and that we finished nearer in points to the relegation zone than 1st place, you may well say it was an average season. I actually think it went from absolutely woeful, to shite, to more promising, to knackered. Our points tally is nothing to say anything positive about, nor our goals tally. Our performances didn't really befit a United team until Bruno was signed late January. Yes, average season with plenty of room for improvement next season, which is needed.
 
There was a very good article why players like Koeman, De Boer etc don't succeed in the PL.
It's the way they have been coached in playing football. I think it's LVG failed too.
I don't think Pep would have won anything at all at a smaller club.
As for Ole vs Poch, I don't think much of Poch. Nagelsmann is a much better coach.
There is no need to sack Ole right now. Give him the players he needs and then if he doesn't deliver sack him by all means.
 
With your logic every manager is capable winning trophies. That includes managers you are not in favor of.

I would turn it around and ask you: if Pochettino fotball is so great, why has it never converted into trophies?
Maybe Poch is not smart enough, his football is predictable. he is obviously figured out by the EPL top six.

Not really. His logic is not having won trophies before doesn't mean you can't in future. Which is objectively true.

Wrt your second question, his team was never that good. He never had the strongest team in the country so why would he have won a league or CL? He never had the strongest squad so why should he have been expected to win a cup? Arsene Wenger won plenty of FA cups at the end of his reign. Was he doing well?

If he is so important to you, turn your backs on United completely, and go and support team Poch.

Ah right, I forgot. Anyone who thinks that someone outside of United is good isn't a real United fan. Do you think Messi is good or are you a United fan?
 
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