Don't spend it on a single player then?
Even if we ignore the Maguire transfer altogether, he's still outspent Klopp in that first season
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Don't spend it on a single player then?
Even if we ignore the Maguire transfer altogether, he's still outspent Klopp in that first season
So is points progress or league position?
Well what do you prefer, an injured striker hindering the whole team's chance to get a win by not tracking back or you prefer us we push our OTHER striker up front and place a defender back just to ensure we dont lose the whole game with Everton pushing last 10 mins?
Thats a bizarre answer. If we signed the worlds best player this summer our team would be considerably stronger because we have the worlds best player, but to talk about the amount spent in the summer would be pointless because it went on one player? no sense what so ever.
You may laugh but I would rather he bought Lingard on if he was really going for the win. he wasnt though he was happy with a draw.
I don’t think that all managers are doubted, I think a lot of fans are optimistic with their clubs manager.
In fact I’d say out of the top six we’re the only club with serious doubts of their manager at the minute.
If we can get into the top four the amount of points we do it in won’t really matter.
I’m not really sure there’s much else to say for now really is there? It’s just a wait until the end of the season and see where we are.
In a way the most interesting thing would be if they backed Ole after the season ends without champions league football.
Don't spend it on a single player then?
Even if we ignore the Maguire transfer altogether, he's still outspent Klopp in that first season
Okay what were the options in the market? Koulibaly who cost the same and Napoli refusing to sell, Skriniar from Inter, who also refused to sell... let's see what were the options for us to get a top CB that we can build the defense around? Name me the players and we'll see? What should we have done in this case? not get Maguire and save the money? Get cheaper players as squad options like LVG did?
Kloop spent this amount in 2016-17... in 2020 that same group of players would have cost at least twice, market value changes my friend and is affected by the huge inflation we saw in the sports, so not sure what your argument is here.. but anyway!
Do you think less than 60 points is acceptable?
No I will not laugh, Jesse would have been an option but it shows that we were not that desperate (and that a defender is a better option than Jesse, he's that bad), if only Odion's chance got in we would have been better off, but it happens...
Surely the Klopp comparisons are still not popping up, jesus christ, Solskjaer is not and never will be half the manager Klopp is, end of story, why is this still even a debate for crying out loud. So desperate.
The point is that you come here and nag about us spending 200 million when one player cost half the amount, so we only signed 3 players, enough for a rebuild? feck no, that was the point of the discussion, people saying he outspend this or that. We are one of the richest if not the richest club in the world and clubs are taking advantage of this with each purchase we are making, so to say Ole overspent is just nonsense when you look at the fact that 200 mil got us 3 players due to the damn market..
As long as we get top 4 yes. It is like saying is below 90 points for a title winner is unacceptable yet United won titles with 80 points.
Does that title mean anything less than 93 points titles?
Are you making things up as you go along? At what point did I nag or say Ole had overspent? I merely stated that your post comparing klops transfers was actually not doing Ole any favors.
Ok, I disagree they'd cost twice as much but for arguments sake let's double it then.
Klopp spend first season €134m. Takes his side from mid-season 12th to 4th and 76 points.
Ole spend first season €159m (now €214m) .... Takes his side from mid-season 6th to 5th-6th and a projected 57 points.
Do we really need to carry this on? Or is it time to quit?
Klopp was terrific in his first season and half, Ole has underachieved so far, but he has time and nicking 4th will give him another season to prove more. No need to make up nonsense and compare his start to Klopp's as it looks horrific when you do that.
Great so let us wait till end of season and see how we fare before jumping on the back of the manager
Great so let us wait till end of season and see how we fare before jumping on the back of the manager
No, let's all admit he's underachieved so far and was rather naive in the Summer, but that he and the transfer committee thankfully learnt their lesson in January. And then wait until the end of the season to see if January was enough to allow the management team to start showing signs of real progress.
For me If he gets 4th he deserves another shot. If not then he should go. And that includes getting a Champions league spot through 5th because of City ban.Great so let us wait till end of season and see how we fare before jumping on the back of the manager
Hang on @Chesterlestreet & @Random Task @Thisistheone this has been confirmed.* I'm not just making things up ffs.
The committee is made up of:
Head Coach (Ole), Assistant Manager (Mike Shorts), Technical Chief Scout (currently Mick Court), Head of Global Scouting (currently Marcel Bout) and Chief Scout (currently Jim Lawlor).
Each man has a vote, each man has a veto.
Ole has never said the bolded either, just that he has final say, cause in essence he does as he has a veto so no-one comes in or out without his final ok.
Are you sure you're not confusing the scouting department with the transfer committee (which we are yet to install as far as I am aware)?
Yep. Progress would be top 4 this season and/or a cup. If Ole can achieve that with the money spent, fine, he deserves another season. If he fails with both of those, with the money spent, he goes - it's as simple as that.
Pep was doubted in his first season, you say Klopp was doubted at first and Lampard is most certainly doubted so there's 3 of the 6, Ole makes it 4.
The other 2 are punching way above their weight.
It will be Champions League or bust for Ole. Which is really a win win scenario for me. We get top 4 - Ole stays (which I wouldn't be happy about) but we also CL football and likely better players like Sancho. We don't get top 4 and lose the EL - Ole is sacked and we get a better manager. As much as I dislike Ole as a manger, I'd still take option one. Having United back in the CL and getting a player like Sancho would be better long term.
That wouldn't be the most interesting thing, it would be the dumbest thing. I would give Ole other another chance if he got 4th but i still wouldn't be optimistic, i just don't rate him as a manager at all.
That's a fair point, top 4 is important but we should be aiming for more points. Its hard to call it progress if we did worse than last year, we've won 11 games out of 28, that's not acceptable. You're right about the worth of top 4, its not less important due to how many points we got.
I don’t think Lampard is doubted by his own supporters, most Chelsea fans love the job he’s done so far, as do the neutrals in fact.
Even if he was, 4 out of 6 isn’t all of them.
Of course it would be interesting, he’d be the first manager to survive no top four in a full season post Fergie.
Whether or not any of us would give him another chance in those circumstances isn’t relevant.
The result yesterday wasn't that bad, tbh. Everton are in decent form and i predicated a draw before the game kicked off, so no surprises there. The second half performance was concerning though. Again, it's just points to our inconsistency not only from week to week, but during a 90 minute match. We fluctuate wildly and have done for ages now. Ole also needs to change thing a little quicker. That game was crying out for something different, yet he waited until the 70th minute mark again before introducing those changes. It's a real pet peeve of mine.
The real sense of frustrations lies in the fact that our rivals dropped points once more and we couldn't fully capitalise on it. Granted, we didn't lose the game which is normally how it goes, but you can't help but feel disappointed even if on the face of it a draw isn't a disaster.
The real sense of frustrations lies in the fact that our rivals dropped points once more and we couldn't fully capitalise on it. Granted, we didn't lose the game which is normally how it goes, but you can't help but feel disappointed even if on the face of it a draw isn't a disaster.
Well 2 of them are Rodgers who instantly came in and took them massively up the table and have continued that way and Wolves who's manager took them from the Championship. Rodgers was doubted at Liverpool plenty, as I say, all managers are so making a comparison between Klopp "tiny tiny doubts" to Ole "massive doubts" serves zero purpose in the debate.
https://www.theshedend.com/topic/33168-super-frank-lampard-officially-our-manager/page/109/#comments
Lampard, he's getting off lighter than Ole due to the transfer ban and losing Hazard, but in the same way Klopp was "doubted" as you claim, so is Frank. If they drop out of top 4, the doubts will be huge.
Ofcourse not, I don't think anyone is happy losing that many games. I am looking at this in a slightly positive way. Get top 4, maybe a cup and its progress.
The Jose team was a team based on individuals, this team is now something I like, or forming into one.
A young team like ours will always be inconsistent, we have players like AWB, McTominay, James, Greenwood, Williams all in and around the starting line up playing their first full season in the PL. That is a big ask for players playing for Manutd.
We have a No 9 who has never played that position before either.
This experience will stand these players in good stead going forward.
They all seem really supportive of him bar one or two, not quite the same for me.
If you listen to sport podcasts and the radio etc you’ll also find much more sympathy for Lampard than the doubts people had over Klopp.
I’m right in what I’m saying, not all managers have the same doubts Klopp and Ole had during the initial part of their tenure, Klopps doubters certainly weren’t tiny tiny doubts as you put it.
I remember him being mocked on a regular basis, you absolutely can’t say he wasn’t.
48 points in the 89/90 season, finishing 13th. Was that acceptable?
As were Liverpool fans of Klopp, obviously.
What are the massive Klopp doubts you're making up? They are an absolute figment of your imagination @Dec9003
He took them from 12th, to 8th, then 4th + cups, 4th, 2nd + CL and 1st.
Don't try making out he was doubted more than Frank or comparable to Ole, it's utter nonense.
I'm trying to be positive but this team has taken that away in recent years. I really hope we get to bounce back, its hard looking at new generations
thinking we are the other team from Manchester. If it was Ole the one bringing us back to the it might be even better. But some games we've had this year have taken a toll on me, really hard to watch at times. We need big changes next season, some players should be gone and we need a few more coming in. If he gets us a cup and CL football than fair play to him , but next season we should be at least close to challenging and playing good football.
https://www.fantasysports.co.uk/2018/01/28/poll-suggests-fans-want-klopp-out-liverpool/
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-shocking-responses-to-manager-statement/amp/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38784286
http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/02/liverpool-fans-have-started-a-kloppout-on-twitter/
Not all of them, there was definitely more Liverpool fans doubting Klopp than there are Chelsea fans doubting Lampard.
It’s not surprising given the situations at the time, Klopp was asked to rebuild the side and hadn’t delivered trophies, whereas Lampard is a rookie manager who hasn’t been able to make a signing bar one player that won’t join until the summer.
Nah, what about Mourinho? Granted he got CL through winning the EL, but we were outside of the top 4.
Sorry no you’re right, he’d be the first manager to survive a full season without securing champions league football.
Agreed, the rebuild was this year, next year we have to challenge. Games this season have taken a hard toll, I hope we get a few creative players in who will entertain. that is what Manutd is about. We have had alot of side ways passers last 7 years.
If we’re using twitter like talkingbaws:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/lampardout?lang=en
The top poll link is fecking twitter again man
The bbc one is a question about a poor January after Liverpool were incredibly in the title race until that one poor MONTH. How is that comparable to Ole and the doubts regarding him? Phil was wondering why Liverpool had dropped out of the title race in Klopp’s first season, a victim of his own success if you like. Ole on the other hand is being doubted about even making 5th, let alone a title race.
Tranfertavern is ONE angry scouse fan looking for an online reaction and likes after losing a single game to United.
Come on man, you know Klopp wasn’t seriously doubted like Ole where the doubts are about whether he’s even good enough to be a Premier League manager.
As I say, odd comparison.
We’ll hang on, why isn’t twitter a reliable source for fan discontent?If we’re using twitter like talkingbaws:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/lampardout?lang=en
The top poll link is fecking twitter again man
The bbc one is a question about a poor January after Liverpool were incredibly in the title race until that one poor MONTH. How is that comparable to Ole and the doubts regarding him? Phil was wondering why Liverpool had dropped out of the title race in Klopp’s first season, a victim of his own success if you like. Ole on the other hand is being doubted about even making 5th, let alone a title race.
Tranfertavern is ONE angry scouse fan looking for an online reaction and likes after losing a single game to United.
Come on man, you know Klopp wasn’t seriously doubted like Ole where the doubts are about whether he’s even good enough to be a Premier League manager.
As I say, odd comparison.
There were clearly doubts over Klopp whether you like to admit it or not, as I’ve shown you, with multiple sources.
There are apparently a lot more people doubting Frank at Chelsea than I thought though.
If we’re saying things like twitter don’t count though, where are we saying the discontent from Ole comes from? Other than on here and maybe matchgoing fans it would be just as hard to tell.
Obviously neither of us go to Liverpool matches so we couldn’t really gauge their match by match opinions without something like Twitter.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ion-will-jurgen-klopp-be-given-time-liverpool
Another article here, it mentions that Klopp at one point had actually taken Liverpool backwards in terms of points per game, much like Ole with us and Poch with Spurs.
Mocked by who? Maybe rival fans taking the piss over his teeth or of how mad he was but I very much doubt there were many Pool fans who didn't want him or if there was then it would of been at the very start of his tenure but I'm sure those fears vanished pretty quickly with the improvement he made in a short space of time.
On the subject of Fat Frank. I actually think he's got a lot higher ceiling than Ole. He looks to be a studier of football in the Wenger mould. He hasn't signed any players and lost Hazard but if he doesn't make CL football it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he's out the door. A lot of people here don't care where we finish. They're still prepared to give Ole another couple of seasons and a massive war chest to see if he actually does have what it takes to take us back to the top and I for one would like to find out their reasoning behind their thinking. Surely CL has to be a minimum requirement, no?
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