Win the PL for the 20th time = delighted beyond reason.
Anything else is simply a wonderful bonus.
Anything else is simply a wonderful bonus.
Would you be satisfied if we only won the league?
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At the start of the season answer would have been a resounding "hell yeah".
Now it's more of begrudging "yes".
Now it's more of begrudging "yes".
This. The Premier League has to be the priority after last season. As long as we do ourselves proud in the CL/FA Cup, then I'm happy.
The league is the priority for me, winning number 20 would be truly amazing......but.......I'd really love us to win the FA Cup because we haven't won it in so long. And I do want to win the CL again, those CL final nights are really something special.
So yeah basically I want it all
So yeah basically I want it all
Maybe for you, but when the third and fourth place teams from countries are not only in it, but winning it, how can the champions of europe claim to be the best team in europe anymore? Were Chelsea last year? Liverpool? Porto etc Dont get me wrong, I still enjoy it and would like to win it but its third in my personal list of wants.
Does that change the fact that it's the pinnacle of football competition worldwide? Also don't understand the expression "anymore". Your argument is as much a valid argument today as it was before. Plenty of teams won the Champions League in years when they didn't won the league. Remember it was played the year AFTER they were champions in their own country.
The point is not about being the best team, but rather winning the best competition. In football I don't think you can ever assume winner=best, not even when you win the league.
I think the best team almost always wins the league. Being consistent over 38 games and winning the league proves you're the best whereas cup competitions are affected by the luck factor a lot more imo.
The league is the priority for me, winning number 20 would be truly amazing......but.......I'd really love us to win the FA Cup because we haven't won it in so long. And I do want to win the CL again, those CL final nights are really something special.
So yeah basically I want it all
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I see that brandied around every time and always disagreed with it. Many times yes, there can be no doubt, but when a league is won with the same number of points, one point, two, three of even a little more, I think there can be as much a reasonable debate as to who was the best team as in a cup competition.
Show me last years Premier League table, if I hadn't seen any game, I'd never assume which one of you and City was the best overall.
I saw a lot of people here accepting as a fact "they won throughout 38 games so they were the best team". If you want to accept a definition of "best" in any given game as the one who scores more goals than that's fine and in that context I agree City were the best in the league. But if you think you can argue after an hypothetical United 2 - 1 City FA Cup final who "deserved it more" and you think you can't do it in a league that was won on goal difference then I think there's somewhere a flaw in that reasoning.
EDIT: My point really doesn't connect that well with your post, I do agree with it. Luck is definitely a bigger factor in a Cup competition, no one can't deny that. I guess I was addressing my reply to a slightly different point of view than yours.
Looking like it could be one of those nights where goals are hard to come by, if we go out to reading I'll be disappointed.
With regards to the OP: Yes.
More would be great but number 20 would be a class season. Despite the league table, take nothing for granted - but so far the season has been very good and the plus points are obviously another year under the belt of our younger players as well as the revelation that is Van Persie.
Satisfied is putting it mildly though.
More would be great but number 20 would be a class season. Despite the league table, take nothing for granted - but so far the season has been very good and the plus points are obviously another year under the belt of our younger players as well as the revelation that is Van Persie.
Satisfied is putting it mildly though.
Mr Eriksen, a newbie who is not yet able to post in the mains, has asked me to post the following on his behalf in response to the topic question. I'm not quite why he chose me to ask, but here is his contribution:
"Would you be satisfied if you only got a blowjob tonight?
Of course you would."
"Would you be satisfied if you only got a blowjob tonight?
Of course you would."
Why? I mean let's face it we are not even out of the round of 16 in the CL yet and it is still only going into the quarter finals of the FA Cup. So it is not like we are all that close to securing either one of those titles yet.
Plus of course still a long way to go in the league.
So essentially he is offerring to blow his way into the Mains? I heard that is how it was done back in the old days, not sure the mods are still accepting those kinds of bribes though.
The best team always wins the league. That is the point of the league.....to find the best team over the course of a season.
Yes. I don't think we're good enough to win Champions League yet so getting past Real Madrid would be a big success in my eyes, there'd still be 3-4 teams in the competition that could easily knock us out (Dortmund, Bayern, Barcelona, Juventus or even PSG on their day). The FA Cup is between us, City,
Chelsea and maybe Everton. While I don't rate Benitez's Chelsea all that much in the league and reckon they could quite easily drop out of top 4, his teams are always good in cup competitions.
Chelsea and maybe Everton. While I don't rate Benitez's Chelsea all that much in the league and reckon they could quite easily drop out of top 4, his teams are always good in cup competitions.
Because as the season has progressed, I just feel this squad can achieve something really special. The way we've become more solid defensively, settling on our #1 and him improving game by game, the only thing I am hoping finally clicks in is the play of our wingers.
At the start of the season I just wanted to get #20 to be honest but, now that #20 is well within our reach, I want to be greedy and get more.
It's an interesting question because at the beginning of the season I'd have said I'd be 100% satisfied with just the league. But now, I really want us to also win the FA Cup, because it's just been too long, and many members of the squad still haven't won it. I think the CL is beyond us this season, but obviously I wouldn't say no.
Ultimately, if we ended the season with just the league it's still a successful season. That's the one we go for first and foremost at the beginning of every season. If you're not champions of your own country then you can't legitimately claim to be champions of anything else.
Ultimately, if we ended the season with just the league it's still a successful season. That's the one we go for first and foremost at the beginning of every season. If you're not champions of your own country then you can't legitimately claim to be champions of anything else.
Right. That's exactly the point I consider ludicrous.
People say that like if there's no room for debate. And then they argue if Chelsea was a worthy winner against Bayern.
When we win the league - best team always wins the league
When City win the league - best team lost the league on goal difference because of a bad result against Everton!
When City win the league - best team lost the league on goal difference because of a bad result against Everton!
Winning the title back would be brilliant, there are no two ways about it. I can't believe people would merely be satisfied?
Winning cups can certainly glisten the season up, but winning a trophy over 38 games surely is the benchmark?
I mean I wouldn't complain if we won the CL without winning the league, but I think that double is what makes a team truly the best (the domestic cup trebles just solidify that even further).
Satisfied - Respectable league position and a cup.
Absolutely delighted - League
Uncontrollably ecstatic - League and CL and/or other cups.
I don't really know where I'd assume my emotions would be if we were to win the CL and nothing else...mainly because under Sir Alex, I can't see us going that far in Europe unless we've been the best domestically. They've gone very hand in hand for us in recent years.
Winning cups can certainly glisten the season up, but winning a trophy over 38 games surely is the benchmark?
I mean I wouldn't complain if we won the CL without winning the league, but I think that double is what makes a team truly the best (the domestic cup trebles just solidify that even further).
Satisfied - Respectable league position and a cup.
Absolutely delighted - League
Uncontrollably ecstatic - League and CL and/or other cups.
I don't really know where I'd assume my emotions would be if we were to win the CL and nothing else...mainly because under Sir Alex, I can't see us going that far in Europe unless we've been the best domestically. They've gone very hand in hand for us in recent years.
I reckon the importance of winning the league in an year when you win the CL. That hardly leaves much room for debate, whether being the best in Europe when you couldn't in your own country stresses the unpredictable nature of cup competitions.
That said, if I could chose only one, I'd go for the European Cup every time. That's something with an uncomparably greater historical value.
I do understand that if the alternative is allowing two consecutive leagues to be won by City then you may think differently. It's very important to "keep them in check".
That said, if I could chose only one, I'd go for the European Cup every time. That's something with an uncomparably greater historical value.
I do understand that if the alternative is allowing two consecutive leagues to be won by City then you may think differently. It's very important to "keep them in check".
We all want more, but that isn't the question is it. In truth nothing has really changed much since the beginning of the season. Coming in we were a good enough team to get at least to the point we are in the CL and the FA Cup.
While we probably did not expect to be 12 points clear at this time of the season, we have not won the league yet. So it is still a great accomplishment if we do win it.
Well I was answering for myself and my reasoning works for me ...
Coming fourth is the most important thing for the club
after that its....................oh wait wrong club.
after that its....................oh wait wrong club.
I will be ecstatic if we won the league. It's not a given, and I didn't expect us to be where we are now.
I believe we can realistically win the double.
The Champions League is probably too early for this team. But the way the recent CL campaigns have finished, we can win it with some luck.
I believe we can realistically win the double.
The Champions League is probably too early for this team. But the way the recent CL campaigns have finished, we can win it with some luck.
Would be very happy to win the league. FA Cup will be great too since we haven't won one in so long. UCL will be tough but if we beat Real and get a decent QF draw then who knows?
The best team wins the league, everyone plays everyone and it removes the element of a lucky draw that you get in the cups. To say otherwise is ludacris
Nah... the premierleague with something else would be ok... wining the treble again would be Orgasmic...
Winning the league is very nice indeed. But if we went on to reach the Champions League final and lose it there again, I will be slightly disappointed, again.
Is that really the question that's being asked? No-one is satisfied to lose any game let alone the biggest game of the season, but if you look back at the 08/09 season you think about it as somewhat disappointing on the whole?
No-one is satisfied to go out of any cup at any point. We went out of the Worthington Cup in the QFs of the 98/99, does that mean winning the treble was dissatisfying to some degree? You could say that no-one really cares about the league cup but winning the Quadruple would have been a bigger achievement.
Personally I would be very happy with the League - given the circumstances of last season. But i think everytime or anytime that you able to win the league it should be celebrated and appreciated. I often get the sense that Manchester United fans see the league as a given, but the reality it every other team in the league could have similar aspirations to win the league.
I'd love us to get number 20 and if that's 'all' we get then I'd be very happy indeed.
I remember the days in the seventies and eighties where we won very little and had Liverpool's success rammed down our throats so the title would be very much appreciated by me.
I remember the days in the seventies and eighties where we won very little and had Liverpool's success rammed down our throats so the title would be very much appreciated by me.
They have our trophy.
I want it back.
I want it back.
Yes, because playing everyone removes every random element of the game.
Would be curious to see if you would be so adamant of that had City won QPR with a couple of gifted penalties or playing against their reserves because of some random cup final. It looked strange enough with QPR hoofing the ball from kick-off after 2-2, something I never saw in a football pitch (I'd expect them at least to make a couple of back-passes and receive some pressure before doing that).
And that's from someone who cherished the moment, just for the small sadistic pleasure of witnessing a meltdown here.
I maintain that unless you have a strict policy of objectiveness that the winner of each individual game was the best team in that game (because they scored more), it's a ridiculous logic leap to just accept that the best team always win the league. Probably more often than not that is the case, and it certainly has a lot less variance than cup competitions, but when they're won by small margins, there's obviously room for debate.
A lot of United fans argued (incorrectly) that we would not have won the league if Drogbas goal had been correctly ruled offside in 2010.
There were also a lot that argued( also incorrectly) that we weren't the best team in the 09/10 season.
The terms 'best team' are so ambiguous as to almost make them useless really, as what exactly defines the 'best team'?
Factually and accurately Chelsea were the best team in the champions league last season, because we won it without referee influence or by bribing or any outside influence, regardless of how many Barca/Bayern missed or how many times they hit the post or had a penalty saved it makes absolutely no difference ( yes I have empirical proof of this) you cannot say Chelsea were not the best side in the ECL last season regardless of how much 'luck' was thrown at them.
Thats not to say we were the best side any other time, or were the best player for player. The same goes for the league, its impossible - bar cheating or outside influence for the team that wins or goes through to not have been the best.
I'd always say the league is the best indicator of who the best team in the country is.
I will be very very happy with just the league I don't expect us to win the champions league and the fielding of our second string in the fa cup could result in defeat against Chelsea just like the carling cup
I think number of games played to get to an overall outcome is part of it...though I see what you're getting at.