Plus our record in La liga is pretty dismal. fecking sort it, Malcie.
Would you be satisfied if we only won the league?
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Plus our record in La liga is pretty dismal. fecking sort it, Malcie.
If we were to only win the league, once the dust settles, I would still be delighted with that achievement.
However, given the current position in the league I would be disappointed if we didn't have a good crack (even if we end up unsuccessful) at the FA Cup and Champions League.
If we were to go out of those competitions in March and the gap to City remained at 12 points, this season could begin to peter out which would be a shame given the exciting manner in which it started with the countless comebacks.
However, like I said, if we were to go out of the Champions league and F.A Cup and win the league at a canter I would still be delighted with that when all is said and done.
However, given the current position in the league I would be disappointed if we didn't have a good crack (even if we end up unsuccessful) at the FA Cup and Champions League.
If we were to go out of those competitions in March and the gap to City remained at 12 points, this season could begin to peter out which would be a shame given the exciting manner in which it started with the countless comebacks.
However, like I said, if we were to go out of the Champions league and F.A Cup and win the league at a canter I would still be delighted with that when all is said and done.
It all depends, I suppose, on your own definition of what constitutes being satisfied.
Personally, though I have gained satisfaction from our having won the league this season, I couldn't claim to be fully satisfied unless we won every trophy we competed for, so there are various levels of satisfaction achievable each season.
See my personal satisfaction scale below:
1: Won nothing
2: Won the League Cup
3: Won the FA Cup
4: Won the League Cup + FA Cup
5. Won the Champions League
6. Won the Champions League and League Cup
7. Won the League
8. Won the League and League Cup
9. Won the Champions League and FA Cup
10. Won the League and FA Cup
11. Won the Champions League, League Cup and FA Cup
12. Won the League, League Cup and FA Cup
13. Won the League and Champions League
14. Won the League, Champions League and League Cup
15. Won the Treble
16. Won the Quad
So you see, there exist levels of satisfaction ranging from one (pissed off) to sixteen. Winning the league alone would rank at a seven, and that'd be satisfying, sure, but I'm spoilt, seven is par, and birdies are more satisfying than par; some seasons I wouldn't be so bothered, but, as the OP says, considering current circumstances, I won't be properly satisfied without our achieving at least a ten on my scale of satisfaction.
Personally I think saying no to the OP is disrespectful to both Fergie and the team ( Although some may twist it to say its the opposite and because of the success Fergie has given them over the years).
To be disappointed is probably the word a lot of you are looking for, but unsatisfied conjures up images of a spoilt posh kid, not getting as many toys as he wants for Christmas and being dissatisfied, which is automatically disrespectful to the parents.
Fergie has the extreme ability to win titles when other sides have more money or 'star talent' this is not to be scoffed at, be satisfied with anything but a trophy less season!
To be disappointed is probably the word a lot of you are looking for, but unsatisfied conjures up images of a spoilt posh kid, not getting as many toys as he wants for Christmas and being dissatisfied, which is automatically disrespectful to the parents.
Fergie has the extreme ability to win titles when other sides have more money or 'star talent' this is not to be scoffed at, be satisfied with anything but a trophy less season!
I think that's about right.
Not really. The question is would you be satisfied. If you answer no, that means you'd be dissatisfied. You're off your rocker if winning the league leaves you dissatisfied. I think the OP is asking something that everyone would agree yes to, but then people are interpreting it in their own way and it creates the completely wrong perception - it doesn't just make us look spoilt and arrogant, it makes us look like a bunch of arseholes. When we go back to being relatively unsuccessful you'll just look back and think, "holy feck, we thought winning the league wasn't good enough. What a bunch of ungrateful arseholes".
This. Finally someone talking complete sense.
Which is exactly why I haven't answered 'no', and instead detailed various degrees of satisfaction one might achieve. Those who have in fact answered 'no' though, I imagine, actually also mean something along the lines of that which I'm describing; this much is obvious to be honest, I'm surprised you seem to have missed the point.
One can feel satisfaction from winning the league whilst also being dissatisfied with cup results; I think humans are quite capable of grasping the relatively simple emotional concept of having different feelings about different things.
That said, I do understand that this thread represents a good opportunity to TopRed everybody out and bang on a bit about supporting the team in the 80's to all those who weren't even born/nappy trained, so, carry on... it is what it is.
If you asked me before the season - exstatic
If you ask me now - satisfied but we should at least get the FA Cup
If you ask me now - satisfied but we should at least get the FA Cup
I think when the fa cup quarter final draw is made today some people may reconsider their answer. Obviously we still have to beat reading but if we get an easy draw at home for the quarters I think I'll be dissapointed if we dont at least give it a good bash. Going out of the cup to anyone besides city/cheslea would be disappointing imo, not just because of the overall strength of the remaining teams but also considering we havent won it for a decade. A decade without the fa cup is too long for a big club like man united.
I still haven't got over losing the European Super Cup. That's the one.
ditto.
It will be interesting as a perspective of how glorious the past was and I don't think it makes anyone look like an arsehole not being fully satisfied with "just" something they already take for granted at this moment. Answering "no" literally means what you're saying but I'm certain that to most posters who said it just means a slight disappointment, and I think someone reading this thread a few years from now will be able to make that distinction.
It's common that a few set of fans in every successful club will be more demanding. These things also shift a lot during the season. This question makes some sense now, and in this context of a 12 point lead. My club averages more than one trophy per season so a season with "just" one usually feels a bit empty. I was tremendously happy winning just the league (ignoring the supercup) last year though. Because at some point, with a 5 point gap to close and our rivals in good form, it seemed very unlikely. If we had been leading with 10 points halfway through the season, I doubt I would be THAT happy, after losing the cup and league cup in an unimpressive fashion and feeling humiliated by City (whom Sporting later defeated) in the Europa League.
Again this season I will be ecstatic with a possible league win because it is being a very tight battle. But looking back at Villas-Boas' season it would feel like a huge disappointment if all that promise and domination in the end meant "just" the league, which was taken for granted shortly after mid-season.
The consensus here is that everyone would be radiant with just the league at the beginning the season. Now, a few, want a little more than that. Spoilt yes, arseholes, I thoroughly disagree.
Since we've most likely got Chelsea in the cup if we beat Reading I cant say I'll be massively disapointed if we dont win the cup from this position but it certainly is winnable.
I still haven't gotten over losing to Arsenal in 2005. That still gets me. FA Cup please.
Well chelsea could a sticky one, they will be going for this one all guns blazing. That is of course should we get past Reading first. It is the cup after all so anything could happen on the night.
I'd expect to see a strong lineup out of us tomorrow
I'd expect to see a strong lineup out of us tomorrow
I'd be delighted with the league.
I think cider has it right. It's perfectly possible to feel happy and disappointed at the same time.
Imagine winning 50K on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire but fecking up an easy question to progress. Or having four great kids from a wonderful 20-year marriage to a woman who turns out, through an unlikely series of events involving a goatherd, to be your mother.
Spoilt? Of course we're spoilt. How could we not be, when we've won a trophy almost every year for two decades, and sometimes more than one? We've got a great manager and a very good side, and they expect to win the vast majority of their games... so it would be disingenuous to pretend not to be dissatisfied when we go out of a competition. SAF certainly is.
If anyone's claiming that they were perfectly satisfied to lose the CL final in 08, on the grounds that we won the league, I just don't believe them. We were all gutted.
Of course, you want to have some perspective, and think all those things about how you can't win it every year and we're so lucky to have achieved what we have. But that's a palliative to the dissatisfaction, not a preventative.
Imagine winning 50K on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire but fecking up an easy question to progress. Or having four great kids from a wonderful 20-year marriage to a woman who turns out, through an unlikely series of events involving a goatherd, to be your mother.
Spoilt? Of course we're spoilt. How could we not be, when we've won a trophy almost every year for two decades, and sometimes more than one? We've got a great manager and a very good side, and they expect to win the vast majority of their games... so it would be disingenuous to pretend not to be dissatisfied when we go out of a competition. SAF certainly is.
If anyone's claiming that they were perfectly satisfied to lose the CL final in 08, on the grounds that we won the league, I just don't believe them. We were all gutted.
Of course, you want to have some perspective, and think all those things about how you can't win it every year and we're so lucky to have achieved what we have. But that's a palliative to the dissatisfaction, not a preventative.
Well, I know it sounds ridiculous, as I've previously stated but I've always considered the PL to be the toughest league to win, purely based on the fact that Spain is more often than not a two horse race, Italy is corrupt and shit, Germany has been tight the odd time, but you never really look past Munich/Dortmund and nowhere else really counts.
Now, if you follow that train of thought, and you know for a fact that it is much harder to win a 38 game league based competition than it is to win a 14 game group/knockout competition (unless you are completely retarded and disagree with that) then you can understand, why logically, it might not be such a ridiculous thing to say.
Funnily enough, it came from my brain, or maybe my arse. Whatever, there ain't much difference between the two.
If we win the league, I'll be satisfied.
If we're in both cup finals and lose both after leading in the 90th, I'll be dissatisfied as shit.
Looking back, I'll then see that we had a good season, but the manner in which we threw away a treble would leave a sour taste in my mouth.
In short, we can be dissatisfied and satisfied, just not at the same time; it's about perspective.
If we're in both cup finals and lose both after leading in the 90th, I'll be dissatisfied as shit.
Looking back, I'll then see that we had a good season, but the manner in which we threw away a treble would leave a sour taste in my mouth.
In short, we can be dissatisfied and satisfied, just not at the same time; it's about perspective.
If we win the league then I'm satisfied. Anything more would be a bonus.
08-9. Cnut.
Anything else is a bonus for me, but I'm hopeful that we can at least do the double.
League>Fa Cup>Uefa Money making league
As long as we win the league everything else is a bonus.
As long as we win the league everything else is a bonus.
Even though I was gutted after the recent CL final losses, it never came close to the hurt felt when we have lost the league particularly last year.
Agree with Brwned's post wholeheartedly. My view this season has always been winning the league and will be grateful even if we win just that. After losing from 8 points ahead with 6 games to go, I'm not taking anything for granted anymore.
Agree with Brwned's post wholeheartedly. My view this season has always been winning the league and will be grateful even if we win just that. After losing from 8 points ahead with 6 games to go, I'm not taking anything for granted anymore.
Reclaiming the league would allow me to be more than satisfied with the season. It is vitally important United sent this message out to City. I wanted a good showing in Europe after the debacle of last season. Even if we overcome Real I doubt we can go all the way, we will need a lot of luck. This team is growing slowly but surely and a title will lift the players, for a lot of them it will be their first league title and a huge incentive to go on and claim more.
I expect the side will become stronger in Europe over the next 2 years. Ferguson is moulding a unit as he always looks to do. Barcelona do it better but they are currently the benchmark in terms of squad/team progressiveness.
I expect the side will become stronger in Europe over the next 2 years. Ferguson is moulding a unit as he always looks to do. Barcelona do it better but they are currently the benchmark in terms of squad/team progressiveness.
If we win the league and nothing else I will regard it as a successful season. But if you offered me that arrangement now, I wouldnt take it.
If you offered me the league and FA Cup double, however, I think I would.
If you offered me the league and FA Cup double, however, I think I would.
My answer to the OP is a definite yes!
Winning the League this year would give us title no. 20 and pull away from Liverpool even further.
However given the current situation the club is in at the moment I think we have a very good chance to win more than just the league. It would be disappointing not to progress or even win one of the cups but that wouldn't take anything away from winning the league. (Assuming we win that)
So winning just the league would be satisfying and a successful season in my opinion! Winning anything else would be a bonus.
Winning the League this year would give us title no. 20 and pull away from Liverpool even further.
However given the current situation the club is in at the moment I think we have a very good chance to win more than just the league. It would be disappointing not to progress or even win one of the cups but that wouldn't take anything away from winning the league. (Assuming we win that)
So winning just the league would be satisfying and a successful season in my opinion! Winning anything else would be a bonus.
Ofcourse. To slog it out over 38 games and not win it last season was painful.
Cup competitions are crap shoots and a little more icing on the cake with a cheery on top.
Cup competitions are crap shoots and a little more icing on the cake with a cheery on top.
Yes, I'd of course be happy if we "only" won The League......may be it's because I was brought up during our barren periods and appreciate everything that we win....
Being disappointed is different to being dissatisfied. Being disappointed is a natural response to any setback or loss, even if you've done a treble but missed on the FA cup.
Being dissatisfied indicates you aren't happy with the overall outcome of the season, the team, the manager etc, which indicates a disrespectful attitude towards the team and manager.
They are very different and the OP used the term satisfied in the title, that's why I think that you should always be satisfied with a league, to be honest its ludicrous to think otherwise.
Of course I'd be satisfied. Winning the league is a huge achievement. However, the league is pretty much wrapped up barring a calamitous bottle job from our side so really now it's about what more can we achieve from here on now.
Would expect us to win the FA cup and hold on to our league lead. Still dont think we are good enough for the CL
I don't think that the league is wrapped up at all. Too many difficult games to go yet... 12 points gap with 4 games to go... that's when I'll start celebrating. I would be gutted beyond belief if we lost it from here and hence I wouldn't be disappointed if it was the only thing we won. Would love the FA cup again though. I don't believe we're ready for the CL this year.
If (we beat Reading, and Chelsea beat Middlesbrough) we beat Chelsea, I'd say we'll win the FA Cup. City will be seriously up for it, but we haven't been in this position in a long time as our form in the FA Cup for the past few years has been woeful. Fergie will take it seriously.
I cant see us losing the league.
Well that's just ridiculous. FA Cup definitely has prestige, but the Champions League is the pinnacle of European competition.
are those numbers a riddle or summat?!