Well as bigger fan of Jack as I am it still doesn't solve the RW issue that we have had since at least 2012
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Well as bigger fan of Jack as I am it still doesn't solve the RW issue that we have had since at least 2012
Buying in Covid-19 time without really knowing how income from matchdays look like is hard. We should not be a club that throws away money like we have done past 5 years. With wages we have there is a limit how much we can spend. If we can't sell any of our players it will make it even harder.
This window is rubbish, but outside of City and Chelsea (super-owners with licence to spend silly), have there been any deals done that would obviously improve us?
Yes, clubs are making moves but would any have been worth it?
Yes, clubs are making moves but would any have been worth it?
Its all a grand plan for Ed to take the headlines when we sign Messi, Sancho and a centreback in the last week of the window.
What are we complaining about? If Maguire is proven innocent it would be like a new signing. Add to that Luke Shaw’s return from injury, Henderson’s contract extension as well as Pogba potentially extending and that’s 4 new signings 
Who needs a DOF when Woodward can sign 4 players while sitting on the beach without spending a dime? Other clubs should envy us
Who needs a DOF when Woodward can sign 4 players while sitting on the beach without spending a dime? Other clubs should envy us
It's truly insane to think that it's entirely possible that we will have signed SEVEN or EIGHT players before your board signs up a single one. For two clubs that finished level on points that's mind boggling.
It almost feels like we were a club who finished 10th and needed major surgery whilst United were title winners and just needed to add a single piece to maintain their standard.
It almost feels like we were a club who finished 10th and needed major surgery whilst United were title winners and just needed to add a single piece to maintain their standard.
I definitely think Utd fans are put through the ringer much more than our rivals during the transfer window.
We spend the second half of every season talking about and posting hypothetical lineups with certain players eg. Sancho, as if the deal is already done.
Its been a similar story for the last few years yet it’s still so frustrating then that we seem to be paralysed when the window opens compared to a lot of our rivals.You’d think we’d know better by now.
We spend the second half of every season talking about and posting hypothetical lineups with certain players eg. Sancho, as if the deal is already done.
Its been a similar story for the last few years yet it’s still so frustrating then that we seem to be paralysed when the window opens compared to a lot of our rivals.You’d think we’d know better by now.
I still genuinely feel that United have a stronger first XI than Chelsea can field. The squad depth issue is completely different, but we'll have to see how things look when the window closes.
The good thing is we won't have to listen to the Chelsea loving media harp on about your new found love for blooding youth players
Ziyech [an established RW] aside though, which one of your current signings would make us better?
I think Werner is a good player but he’s not splitting time with Martial. Havertz looks a top talent but we’ve got Bruno & i doubt he’d want to bide his time as a Bruno/Pogba alternative. Chillwell. . ., Thiago Silva. . ., Sarr. . .
Your club are getting some tidy business done but I think we’re in 2 different phases - yes we finished on equal points & you finally beat our reserves at the 4th time of asking but the signings we need & hoped for aren’t proving quite as gettable as yours. I’d wait to see your team play before talking up such an overhaul.
Your potential first 11 vs our current first 11 doesn’t suddenly make me worry about inferiority; the fact that Dan James plays CF in an FA Cup Semi final does.
I mean, we had a rookie manager using a team full of players from the Championship and sold our best player, all while not being able to sign anyone. That United finished level with us having spent about £150m is pretty poor.
As for who has the better first XI I think it's splitting hairs. Both absolutely quality. I won't go there because I'd pick mostly Chelsea players while you guys would pick mostly United players.
You’ve spent 580m in the last 4 years not including this summers latest splurge. Not sure Chelsea are the club to describe another’s spending as pretty poor. The fact either of us were scraping top 4 on the last day is ridiculous. This narrative of plucky Chelsea finishing top 4 and achieving so much is just absurd.
On the point about how you’ve signed loads and we haven’t, well it’s slightly easier for you guys isn’t it? We’ve lost 110m in revenue and don’t have an owner who can just inject 240m into the club through loans where nothing happens if you default. You’ve just posted a 90m loss and have still managed to spend over 200m whilst losing 70m in revenue for the coming season. You are exempt from the financial realities other clubs face so it’s ridiculous to compare the two. Not sure why people continue to do it.
Not having a pop at Chelsea by the way, I’d much prefer an owner who actually puts money into the club rather than taking over 1 billion out of it. However this is the reality of the situation we find ourselves in. Still think we’ll find the money to go big the summer somehow.
It actually almost feels like Covid was the perfect excuse for the Glazers to burn through the club before they sell in a few years.
Here's the depth chart with a 4-2-3-1 in mind.
Goal keeper:
De Gea, Henderson, Romero, Grant, Pereira (on loan), Kovar (on loan)
Right back
Wan Bissaka, Dalot, Williams, Fosu Mensah
Center back
Maguire, Lindelöf, Bailly, Smalling, Tuanzebe, Mengi, Jones,Rojo
Left back
Shaw
Center Midfield
Pogba, Matic, McTominay, Fred, Garner (loan)
Attacking midfield
Bruno, Mata, Pereira
Wide forward
Rashford, James, Greenwood, Lingard
Center forward
Martial, Ighalo (Until January)
That's 8 outfield players + 1 goal keeper who need to be sold in a market where no one's spending much before any additions can be made. The weakest positions appear to be center forward, left back, wide forward and attacking midfield. It would be disastrous to start the season without filling those holes.
Goal keeper:
De Gea, Henderson, Romero, Grant, Pereira (on loan), Kovar (on loan)
Right back
Wan Bissaka, Dalot, Williams, Fosu Mensah
Center back
Maguire, Lindelöf, Bailly, Smalling, Tuanzebe, Mengi, Jones,
Left back
Shaw
Center Midfield
Pogba, Matic, McTominay, Fred, Garner (loan)
Attacking midfield
Bruno, Mata, Pereira
Wide forward
Rashford, James, Greenwood, Lingard
Center forward
Martial, Ighalo (Until January)
That's 8 outfield players + 1 goal keeper who need to be sold in a market where no one's spending much before any additions can be made. The weakest positions appear to be center forward, left back, wide forward and attacking midfield. It would be disastrous to start the season without filling those holes.
Feeling a bit like the Fellaini summer. Reckon we may end up with Grealish and Smalling coming back into the team and no one else.
The sooner our fans realize we are a business first and then a football club the better. We will sign after dropping points to palace or brighton and then everyone will be again praising the board.
i think our wages relative to turnover is really low vs peers
Our board don’t have ambition to win the league. They think our squad is good enough to get top 4. Why do you do this to yourselves? Just accept that we’ll sign nobody. Top 4 battle with Arsenal, Spurs, Wolves & Leicester. The top 3 pick themselves.
The board will see us devolve into Arsenal in no time.
You paint it how you like. You lost Hazard from your 3rd place squad, we sold a lot more and had Pogba injured. Bruno came after 5 months of the season. Don't try and paint the picture like you lost Hazard and we had Bruno and Pogba the entire time. Our best player was missing and then when he wasn't we were quite good.
Just because you made the deal for Pulisic earlier didn't mean he wasn't a new signing. You also kept Kovacic by buying him so you spent 100m on players but it was moved around in a way that it didn't affect the ban.
I’d add Leeds in, and if the Saudis come back for Newcastle, them too.
Unfortunately our board are massive total idiots and won’t realise that.
We’re already Arsenal. We were just celebrating getting top 4 on the last day of the season. We mocked Arsenal for doing that for over a decade.
We will never win another PL title under this board. Not 3 years, not 5 years, not 10 years, not 100 years with the Glazer Grandkids & Ed Woodward III at the helm. Never.
We need changes, we are not run with any ambition whatsoever. Being a United fan will be akin to being an Arsenal & Spurs fan until these owners & everyone on this board is gone.
We finished above you - you don't see us claiming we won the league in the Aguero goal difference season.
We managed to do so after a pretty dreadful first half of the season as well.
What seems utterly bizarre at the moment is there seems to be little to no bullshit from the red tops. Usually they are in overdrive about players we do not have chance in hell of signing or just complete fabrications on players they have heard from a friend of a friend of a confidential source Utd may possibly interested in.
It's eerie silence on incoming and outgoings compared to other seasons.
It's eerie silence on incoming and outgoings compared to other seasons.
Whilst I worry you're right in the second paragraph, I think any “celebrations” were because of how far off we were earlier in the season. Had we been top 4 all season, it wouldn’t have been any sort of deal to the fans.
Not really. We were heavily linked with every other player on the planet including Fabregas, Thiago, Bale, Baines, Ander Herrera screaming how much money we have only to end up with Fellaini.
So far, this is more similar to the summer when Fred was our only big investment with not much, if any noise during.
The bad thing is that both windows were crap.
The United board, glazers and Ed are all a bunch of shiteholes who don’t care about anything but the finances of the club. They’re tone deaf to fan revolt or criticism but are overly sensitive to manager criticism. Jose bent them over a barrel and really took it to them to the point they started doing their own briefings of Jose being sufficiently backed. Ole will need to the same. Any sort of criticism coming from a club legend like Ole will hit a lot harder than Jose.
It's really hitting home this window that we probably ever aren't ever winning the league again under their ownership
I said it'll be a couple of decades after Fergie and nothing has changed this view. It's fate, Liverpool and United can never be consistently successful in the same era. We'll probably win a couple of trophies here and there but that's it.
I just assumed before the transfer window even opened that we're blowing our entire load on Sancho. So, the fact that we aren't reinforcing other areas of the squad doesn't surprise me. If, however, we finish the window without Sancho or an adequate alternative, I'll be livid.
I'm starting to get anxious.
We've spent 1.2bn since Fergie and not even been in a title race let alone win a title. The one time we finished 2nd, City had wrapped the league up by Xmas that we never really had anything to cling on to.
We won't win the PL or CL again under their tenure. Fergie and to some extent David Gill were the glue holding it all together after they lumbered us with their debt. Since then its been an utter shambles.
Fans are eventually going to have to make things very uncomfortable for them or we won't ever get rid. It might even mean we have a disaster of a season and come in bottom half of the league because of the protests but it would be worth it in the long haul.
I won't get my season ticket back until they are gone.
Ya, I've given my opinion on the whole matter a few times on here. It's not due to lack of investment. It's true they haven't put money into the club and have taken it out, but we generate a feck load of revenue. We've still spent enough money to be competitive, far better than we have been. What genuinely baffles me isn't the investment, it's the idea that they are completely oblivious to their shortcomings. Surely since they see us as a cash cow, they'd want us to be as good as we can be so they generate more money? To do that, you'd need to restructure the club, get in a DOF, staff that understand what they are doing, as after 10 years of heavy investment and almost nothing to show for it, it's extremely clear they just don't know how to get us back to the top. I find it so hard to believe they can't comprehend that, or maybe they just don't give a feck
I agree about making things uncomfortable. I was hoping this would be the summer, especially with how this window is panning out. We seem to be the only club leaking news about how terrible the pandemic is and how it's going to be difficult. This was a genuine opportunity to push on from a exciting position. Finished 3rd, CL next season, some good, young players and a manager who the fans are taking a liking to, a club legend.
The saddest part is, I think a lot of us have just come to accept it now. Look at the Barca supporters, basically hounding the Barca facilities, their fans refuse to accept mediocrity. On the other hand, most of us just seem to have accepted it. It's heartbreaking tbf
I would say it is latter.
I can see us signing one player, Grealish probably, and we will again be miles away from a chance to actually fight for the title. They can feck off
I so not care about the Covid situation. We certainly will not go into bankruptcy if we buy Sancho
I can see us signing one player, Grealish probably, and we will again be miles away from a chance to actually fight for the title. They can feck off
I so not care about the Covid situation. We certainly will not go into bankruptcy if we buy Sancho
All I'm saying is if we fail to invest and then don't make top 4 the financial impact will be greater especially when I'd say it will mean Pogba will go for very cheap.
We should be ripping up a few players contracts or letting some leave on a free to save on the wages.
Jones, Mata and Rojo could surely be allowed to leave in a mutual consent type move which allows them to pick up decent wages elsewhere and allows us to get move on with the rebuild and new ACTUAL REAL SIGNINGS.
Jones, Mata and Rojo could surely be allowed to leave in a mutual consent type move which allows them to pick up decent wages elsewhere and allows us to get move on with the rebuild and new ACTUAL REAL SIGNINGS.
The Glazers are getting their dividends. Everything else is irrelevant. This conversation is irrelevant. This thread is irrelevant. United pushing on from last year is irrelevant. Olés job security is irrelevant. Our fans are irrelevant. Their hopes for the football team are irrelevant. Football at Old Trafford is irrelevant.
Ed’s on holiday, creaming his 3 million paycheque for keeping the cash flow into the Glazers pockets
Ed’s on holiday, creaming his 3 million paycheque for keeping the cash flow into the Glazers pockets
Our summer "signings' unless things change
In the long run not being sufficiently ambitious will be disastrous.
Don't think they care. They are making money for free, bought the club with debt, aren't investing any of their own money in. They will milk the club dry, get as much as they can from us, then when we are a spent force, sell us.
Do people really think that's beyond them? They aren't United supporters, they aren't even football supporters. It's a business, they don't give a shite about us, or the football. If they cared, there would have been widescale changes a while ago, rather than throwing the same shit at the wall, hoping it eventually sticks.
Make some free money, using this ageing generation who still actually care for the club, then feck off when it's no longer as profitable as we inevitably become less and less important over time
We are not adding any new fans from outside England anyways.