Carlsen will win this now. These positions are his specialty.
He had the chance (twice) to force a draw by repetition through Nxf2, but he didn't.
World Chess Championship: Carlsen vs Karjakin
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You said the same in game 8. What makes you think he will pull this off, it is quite clear he is not in top form?
Defending these positions happen to be Karjakins specialty. Smells drawish still.
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Move 28, and every pawn is still standing.
2 weeks ago I would've agreed in a heartbeat.
True. In game 8 something very strange happened that I have never seen from Magnus in an important game. Carlsen lost game 8 mentally, may be partly out of "arrogance", but definitely not over the board. He was annoyed and wanted bad to prove he's a better player than Karjakin (which he obviously is) over the board, and that distorted his judgement and led to him playing some puzzling moves.
I think he's mentally in a better condition now, he's concentrating on the games now, showing more respect for Karjakin, and in fact, I think Karjakin is one feeling a bit "arrogant" now and he's starting to push too hard and take too many in necessary risks. So I think Carlsen has the mental edge now.
As for the position on the board, anybody who has followed Magnus knows that this position is the kind of position where he excels and this is where he separates himself from the rest of the pack. He plays these positions literally like a computer.
True, but I'm just not trusting Karjakin in this game. Usually he's very good at tactics, so did he miss Nxf2? Did he miss the draw, which would be a bad sign, or did he refuse to take the draw and went for more (which is a bad mental sign, because that's not the way he should be approaching this game)?
This is not the first time that Carlsen struggles at the start of a tournament but then return to his best form in the second half.
Norwegian TV are not so sure there was a forced draw available. They were referring to some IMs on Twitter who saw some other options for white after Nxf2, can't remember what they were.
Both were draws (or black is better), but it was more difficult for a human to find the second time (after Carlsen played Qh5), as black will need to play Qf7 first before giving the Nh4 check.
Looks like Carlsen will take this. I must admit, his technique has been impeccable in this game.
Finally!
He's back
He's back
I think i might even win this if i played white...
And i'm rubbish!
And i'm rubbish!
Get in
Yay!
I think he might even do interviews today
I think he might even do interviews today
Karjakin broke finally when he misplaced his rooks allowing b5. Almost a forced win after that, at least on GM level.
Much more fun than the Anand-matches this.
Have to say Karjakin is quite the gentleman, handles himself well in interviews - at least as well as possible for someone with stuttering English.
Much more fun than the Anand-matches this.
Have to say Karjakin is quite the gentleman, handles himself well in interviews - at least as well as possible for someone with stuttering English.
The Norwegian TV-channel is interviewing Karjakin's manager alot, people love him, and they have made a fan group for him.
He also said he had 200 friend requests on facebook in a minute... all Norwegian, haha!
A really charming a funny man.
He also said he had 200 friend requests on facebook in a minute... all Norwegian, haha!
A really charming a funny man.
Think Karjakin missed a forced draw with nf2 in the middle game
From the presser it seemed like he for some reason didn't like the line where white avoids the repetition (20...Nxf2+ 21. Kg1 Nh3+ 22. Kg2 Ngf4+ 23. gxf4 Nxf4+ 24. Rxf4). But a rook, two pawns and an exposed white king for two knights can't be a bad deal for black. It also seemed like he didn't see Qf7 the second time he had the chance (20... d5 21. Qh5 Nxf2 22. Kg2 Qf7).
But I was only half paying attention, so I could have misunderstood.
I think Karjakin focused so much on defense, since he was black, and didn't look for attacking options at all.
Wesley So analyzes the game here and actually calls Carlsen's Bxe6 a clever trap, because he likes white after the non-repeating line I mentioned above. But I believe Carlsen made it clear in the press conference that it was an oversight and that he would have taken the draw had Karjakin played Nxf2.
I wonder what Karjakin will do today, he needs to assess his chances in a tie-break. I won't be surprised if he has a tricky line prepared for the critical phase of the game.
If he repeats the h3 Anit-Marshall, an easy draw seems likely.
If he repeats the h3 Anit-Marshall, an easy draw seems likely.
From my perspective,the very low level chess fan,I feel a bit sorry for Karjakin.
He was so close and now Carlsen can win it.
I think that it's positive for the Game some kind of rivalry.Attack vs defense
He was so close and now Carlsen can win it.
I think that it's positive for the Game some kind of rivalry.Attack vs defense
I'll be surprised it the game does not end in a draw, and they play speed chess, or what the english name for it is.
If the speed thingies are draws aswell, they will decide it by armageddon... which sounds really fun.
White starts and get 2 minutes more, black wins with a draw.
If the speed thingies are draws aswell, they will decide it by armageddon... which sounds really fun.
White starts and get 2 minutes more, black wins with a draw.
Carlsen is much better than Karjakin in blitz and rapid. I would expect Karjakin to try and force things.
It's similar to how/why Topalov lost a game 12 against Anand.
Isn't Carlsen much better than Karjakin at normal chess in theory? Is he more better at Blitz?
Yes, he is. And ELO ratings prove that. He is not in form though.
Yup.
Yes, the gap is even bigger in rapid and blitz.
I expect this too.
This heads towards a dead draw
Magnus going for the more 'aggressive' e3! Exciting, hope he's not pushing too hard.
The problem is that his heavy pieces are tied down defending it, if e2 ever occurs I think Kf2 will just force a repetition of some sort.
It looks to me like a "stalemate", were no colour are able to progress without trading all their strengths in the process.
This is a draw 99/100 times.
Please settle this tonight.
Current position has occurred 16 times on high level (chessgames.com).
16 draws...
Carlsen had it 3 times before, never played Na3 though
16 draws...
Carlsen had it 3 times before, never played Na3 though
Some angry sponsors nowMagnus started with 100 minutes but ended up with 105 minutes
Magnus wanted play-offs so that's that, at least it will be very exciting on wednesday.
Actually I expected Carlsen to at least try to win today. He wants to prove without a shadow of doubt who the better player is.
No, he got stung when he did that. The more rapid the controls are, the more likely he wins.