Can someone give me a crash course on how it works? (Not chess, but the world championship)
World Chess Championship: Carlsen vs Karjakin
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Best out of 12.
I'm in SF this week till mid next week dude.
As said, best out of 12 games. If there is a 6-6 tie, there will be a rapid/blitz/armageddon breaker to decide.
Its 2 games then 1 day rest the entire tournament.
I think there is a no-draw rule before move 30. And I believe this is the first WC with a time-increment from move one.
Right, thanks. And what times are the games?
Second game is underway in exactly two hours.
Thanks!
https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork for some good analysis again.
So, 3rd game about to start. What do you guys think about opening moves? I watch more chess than i play, but i'm predicting another D4 start. Seems many don't, and there is probably good reasons. Wouldn't be surprised to see the same opening move as in the 1st game, not expecting the Trompowski though, that was more for shoch effect and jest at the american election i think.
Started out positive with that odd Re2, but it looks like Karjakin handled it well. I predict another 'boring' draw now the queens are off aswell.
Yeah, looks like the oportunities are vanishing. Though, i've thought that before with Magnus. Can see Magnus pushing for a while none the less, as a part of the long term tiring of Karjakin. Magnus has better physique (i know, physique in chess 
), and i expect him to have better "stamina" than Karjakin.
), and i expect him to have better "stamina" than Karjakin.This match has been a bore-fest till now. I hope fireworks start soon.
Why c5?!
Finally getting a bit interesting now. Still a lot of work to get a point i think, but there are chances at least!
FFS Carlsen is winning from a dead draw situation. Only he could do what he has done so far in this game
That's what he does.
Karajkin has about equalized now
A pawn is still a pawn until a theoretical draw is reached.
True but with the bishop the position looks safe. Are you rated 2K+ now btw?
No, some stupid glitch in chess.com added 300 points to me out of nowhere.
Can't Carjakin force a draw with 60..Rd4+ ?
What a nice game, there's a difference between a draw and a draw. Carlsen desires blood tomorrow I reckon, Karjakin will probably go for something super-dull.
He can't. Every game with white is a big opportunity for him. If this goes to blitz, Magnus will destroy him.
Thats a good point, difficult decision. Maybe I underestimate his stamina
Computer suggests Karjakin's made quite a few inaccuracies, Carlsen might be able to grind his way to a win tonight. The massive Russian preperation for this match has been anything but impressive.
If Carlsen wins with black now it's game over.
If Carlsen wins with black now it's game over.
Fourth game and still no Sicilian. Very unfair!
Can someone tell me why the world championship isn't done in a regular rhythm?
They had one 2013 and 14 but not one 2015, right?
They had one 2013 and 14 but not one 2015, right?
the media question about Karjakin being appointed the Russian Minister of Defense was good.
He is pulling rabbits out of the hat but surely Magnus has to break through soon
He is pulling rabbits out of the hat but surely Magnus has to break through soon
Surely Carlsen missed the win yesterday. Great defense from Karjakin, but he got lucky with that Bf4 from Carlsen, IMO. I have not read any analysis.
The expected rhythm now is every 2 years. I think it has something to do with finding sponsors, raising enough money and also keeping the public interested (if they do it too often (once a year) it will be difficult to attract sponsors (and raise enough money for a reasonable prize) and it might lose its prestige). They now think once every two years is the right balance, though things might change again depending on the public interest and the availability of the sponsors.
Everybody is talking about "how great Karjakin played and defended!". I couldn't disagree more. Karjakin is playing terrible chess and even worse than I expected. Carlsen is outplaying him with white and black now. I can not even imagine him winning a game against Carlsen. He will run out of these last ditch defences (helped by Magnus' complacency/inaccuracies) soon. Expect the match to be at least 3.5-2.5 for Carlsen after games 5 and 6.
Magnus and Karjakin both thought f4 was the crucial mistake allowing Karjakin to set up a fortress. Magnus said he played it without actually calculating what he will do after that because he followed his intuition and thought he must be winning with two "weaknesses/threats" on both sides of the board, and he said he didn't calculate because he doesn't believe in fortresses and from his experiences he thought he had to be winning and that will not have a problem breaking any "fortress" Karjakin tries to build.
At the time I thought Bg3 was better. Was there any discussion on that?
Agree - Karjakin is playing crap. I didn't expect him to win a single game before it started, so seeing him claw and fight is fun. Carlsen will probably win by 2-3 clear points, but clearly isn't at his best. If Karjakin (somehow) gets ahead in the following games, the psychological blow will be huge.
Re: Fortresses - I thought that was very interesting. It also offered some insight into how he beat Anand easily. Anand 100% does create fortresses when he is worse, and Carlsen finds these easy to break.
I thought he would break through yesterday even after f4, but it looks like Magnus isn't at his top level or is overconfident here
Very short discussion, I think Karjakin suggested Be6 and then taking on g4 (not sure though). He had to keep that tension though, Karjakin thought he was almost certainly losing before f4, while after f4 he was almost sure he could build up a fortress. One of the points is that the pawns were restricting the bishop's movement in case they wanted to harrass the White king when he heads to the queen side (c2, c1) to defend the pawns when the black kings heads in that direction. Also it allowed the possibility of a white passed pawn and a counter attack in some variations.
Judith Polgar also suggested during the game that Magnus should have tried sacrificing his bishop for two white pawns on the queen side and create another outside passer on the queenside to be able to win.
Karjakin was indeed lucky that in this case the fortress was actually not breakable. Most of the time they don't work and Carlsen can break them easily.
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That was the intuitive plan I think, the one Carlsen thought was winning. But I think Karjakin always had Bc5 to stop the a-pawn, and sacrifice back. After that, Carlsen would be a pawn up but the g5/f4 structure would collapse because light bishop vs knight that jumps to h3. In the end, everything is held together by one(!) tempo.
Cheers!
Sharp position on the board right now, we'll probably see a winner tonight.
Seems like another snoozefest, but at least the ladies are still on board.
Yup, this sucks.
Opposite bishops at least, trading down will save the position for Carlsen.
Karjakin had such a great opportunity at going for a win earlier, but didn't go for it. He'll have to go for it at some point if he wants to win. Seems he becomes defensive/cautious every time Carlsen does something unexpected.
Edit: at this picture from the press conference:
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at this picture from the press conference:
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