That's my argument, Ed said that they absolutely wanted to join us along with us willing to break all the records.. so far that doesn't look the case.
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That's my argument, Ed said that they absolutely wanted to join us along with us willing to break all the records.. so far that doesn't look the case.
Questions will be asked if he fails to deliver once again. Fans are getting restless and I have to admit i'm one of them. We need at least 2 more players to arrive and that's the absolute minimum. We had too many key players leaving this summer along with some of current our key players reaching their mid 30's, etc.
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You don't sell shit injury prone players on huge wages like that and you don't keep a loyal player against his will when the reason is his wife and family.
So the only players that are surplus to requirements are "shit injury prone players"?
I think we have the funds...I just think what Ed said meant that every club who had a player we wanted were/are going to try to squeeze us for every inflated penny they can, which often means dragging it out to the last day of the transfer season. It was a really stupid bravado thing to say and probably has backfired a bit. Also, I think it's fair to say that a number of top players don't really have United at the top of their list of where they want to play. There is lifestyle to think of to!!
When they aren't shit, they arey injury prone and on a big wages.
PS: I don't know exactly who is surplus to requirement for you. (Nani, Young, Cleverley, Chicharito, Fellaini, Anderson ?)
Needed two CM's a CB and a LB this summer, so far he's got half of our targets without getting rid of the dead wood just hanging around our squad.. Should of sold Anderson/Cleverley/Hernandez.. Also the wages that have gone after losing Rio/Vidic/Evra/Giggs over the space of a year would be more than enough to throw more money at the players we need. Seems the people at the top are happy with 4th, Arsenal eat your heart out.
feck you Ed
Any or all of those (plus Kagawa?) depending on Van Gaal's thoughts. Every single one of them still on our books when the season kicks off.
The players sold by clubs like Chelsea and City were also on big wages. Similarly, Arsenal have just proved a terrible injury record is no barrier to making good money selling a player. A player - coincidentally- that Woody proved incapable of signing.
Terms were unacceptable, apparently. Arse demanded Smalling. Can't blame him for that.
Like who ? Vermaelen is a good player and all the player sold by Chelsea have actually played in the last 2 years. (Demba Ba, De Bruyne, Lukaku, Vermaelen, David Luiz, etc..)
The players we are trying to sell are in the Torres-Bendtner category no one wants them.
Is the suggestion that someone else would have been able to sign him? Arsenal clearly had no intention of selling him to us, and I'm not sure that the player would ever have chosen us over Barcelona.
I look forward to a new poll in September.
Yeah, shouldn't read too much into that one example. It is part of a broader trend, though. Compare and contrast with Gill's success at getting them to sell us RvP, for example.
The season starts in two days and very little of the necessary work has been done. As I said elsewhere, with the loss of Carrick, the team is probably weaker than it was at the end of last season. Surplus to requirements players are still on our books, while desperately needed new blood is nowhere in sight. Woodward has left it all to the last minute.
The most optimistic interpretation is that he's playing a dangerous game of brinkmanship with selling clubs, hoping to conclude favourable deals as time runs out. A strategy favoured by few experienced football people. The risk of a mad scramble in the dying days of the window is beginning to loom. The more alarming possibility, as Pogue said, is that he's incapable of doing his job.
It could be that particular circumstances - Vidal's knee, Di Maria's preference for PSG - attached to our targets may be causing delays. But our fate shouldn't depend on a throw of the dice with two weeks to go.
Then we also have to look at who and why we bought them in the first place. We have let ourselves be talked into buying some bloody awful players. Why do we get fooled so easily?
I have said before he is like a wanabe Del Boy, thinks he can outwit some of the biggest owners in Europe and gives an interview that is seriously going to come back and bite him on the bum.
I think in isolation its not a big deal. Arsenal didn't need to sell to us, so didn't. But unfortunately it seems to be a trend.
The transfer window is open still and with LVG coming late there are still legit reasons why so little is happening. But as of right now, you'd say its looking like another fail.
What's your point here? That all the players we're trying to sell haven't played in 2 years?
Agree that was a very stupid thing to say unless he was 100% sure we were going to sign such players.
That claim will come back to bite him on the arse. Well I hope it does.
Just remembered the stories from last summer about the combined bid for Fellaini and Baines which Everton laughed out of town. Can't help wondering if Woody is trying to be overly creative again. Complex swap deals and the like. Would explain why we haven't sold anyone either.
That's exactly what i think, Gill and Ferguson fecked up big time, with our scouting department and now we are paying the price with our dead wood and with our incapacity to identify the right targets.
What's your point here? That all the players we're trying to sell haven't played in 2 years?
Nani and Anderson didn't played the equivalent of half a season in the last 24 months. Chicharito will find a club if we want to sell him, Kagawa too and Fellaini has already Napoli for him, but this club refuse to pay his wage.
You could be right, just go to the club, ask if a player is for sale, how much do you want then go from there. It is like he can't multi-task. Go out and buy player, then if we have a player to sell, sell him. Not try to do both at once.
That is another millstone round our necks, we have signed some awful players, not all of them, but then paid them too high a wage. We will have to just cut our losses on some of them and hope we have learnt our lesson. In a way David Moyes was right to criticise out scouting system. The results of it are coming home to roost now.
I honestly don't know what point you're making. Other clubs have sold players with injury records as bad as any of our own surplus players, who played just as little football as them, who are just as "shit" as them. We haven't. That's my point. Nothing you've said counters this point.
For Nani and Anderson the problem is their wages. You can sell anything if it's cheap, our
deadwood isn't.
Edit: That's why i can't understand why Woodward gave Nani a new contract
Even the Mata deal was unusually complicated, wasn't it? I seem to remember stories of us using a third party to make the bid or something? If that had gone wrong...
Plus I was wondering earlier if the delays in both the potential Vidal and Rojo deals might be some sort of brinkmanship on our part. Holding firm if we believe that Juve/Sporting need to sell? Or maybe not, it's hard to know what our strategy is atm.
We're not unique in this. Amongst others, Demba Ba, Jack Rodwell, Pepe Reine, Lukaku and Vermaelen will all have been on big money. Didn't stop their clubs finding someone willing to pay good money for them.
More evidence for the chocolate teapot file!
It's impossible to know what the strategy is. But, superficially, there are a lot of disturbing parallels with the almighty balls we made of last summer's transfer window. The obvious difference being we've no "dithering Dave" to foist all the blame on.
So you are basically saying Ed is shit and cannot do his job properly.
I find your stance with Woodward a little ironic seeing as you were on the polar opposite with Moyes.
Ed said he follows what the fans are saying on social media. Maybe he is looking at all the rumours posted on here and on Twitter etc and has forgotten that he has to actually go out and sign them. I bet he is on here now checking who we have signed.
I always maintained that last summer's transfer window was an absolute fiasco. My inclination at the time was that this was mainly down to Woodward but - by the end of last season - went with the prevailing wisdom that "dithering Dave" had cocked things up.
Not sure what my opinions that Moyes inherited a poor squad and deserved more time (up until I'd had enough of him, a month or two before he got the sack) have to do with my opinions on Woodward, then or now?
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I forgot to answer, for me Woodward is doing a good job with the club, but he needs a DOF, because we need someone at Carrington who can concentrate 100% of his time on the football part of the management.
I forgot to answer, for me Woodward is doing a good job with the club, but he needs a DOF, because we need someone at Carrington who can concentrate 100% of his time on the football part of the management.
I always maintained that last summer's transfer window was an absolute fiasco. My inclination at the time was that this was mainly down to Woodward but - by the end of last season - went with the prevailing wisdom that "dithering Dave" had cocked things up.
Not sure what my opinions that Moyes inherited a poor squad and deserved more time (up until I'd had enough of him, a month or two before he got the sack) have to do with my opinions on Woodward, then or now?
I still believe Ed (with considerable help from LVG) will deliver the goods By Sept 1st.
He will not let us down.
Moving forward, we do need to begin looking for a DOF-type once the season gets underway.
The season starts this weekend. The lost points from then and 01Sep could rightfully see us lose out on the top 4.
Lucky for us our starting few matches are considerably easier than last seasons. Our current side should still beat Swansea.
We should have had the majority of our recruits in by now but I think the type of players we are going for is making the deals challenging.
I think the new players will be worth the wait.
Jesus christ, we really aren't that shit that without a couple of new signings we are going to mess up so badly against Sunderland, Swansea and Burnley that it costs us a place in the top 4. Deary me.
And yet, four weeks ago our new manager said he'd give the squad a few weeks to show him what they are capable of. Now I'm not that naive to thing he didn't know he wants new players anyway, but it doesn't mean he already gave a list of who exactly he wanted back then. The idea that Woodward has left it all for the last minute conveniently ignores certain facts.
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