Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%

  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%
  • Total voters
    177
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ravelston said:
Whether our failure to shore up midfield as the team slowly declined was due to SAF or the Glazers I doubt if we will ever know.
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The midfield crisis might just be due to bad fortune.

Pogba - we were prepared for him to come into the squad, but he left us so he could get into the first team more quickly
Cleverley - one of the best to come through our youth setup, but he hasn't kicked on as expected
Anderson - kept looking like he was a good pre-season and a decent run in the first team away from being a top performer
Fletcher - cruelly struck down by illness in the prime of his career
Scholes - the sort of player who gets to decide for themselves when they will retire and is guaranteed to play until then
Ravel Morrison - personal issues prevented his projected path to the first team

It really was a perfect storm of bad luck. The club became too dependent on one player, Michael Carrick, to produce match after match and when he suffered an injury or drop in form or had to be used as defensive cover the whole team suffered along with him.

If we do spend big on Vidal along with Herrera, then it won't be for lack of trying to develop our own players or remain loyal to the one's we'd bought (I know, I know...Pogba could have been fast tracked in hindsight!).
 
Woodward's true value has not even made itself known. Within a few years, under the constraints of financial "fair play", his efforts will make us the most powerful club in the world. We'll be bringing in the most money and the most profitable, and therefore able to spend the most.
 
Americano said:
Woodward's true value has not even made itself known. Within a few years, under the constraints of financial "fair play", his efforts will make us the most powerful club in the world. We'll be bringing in the most money and the most profitable, and therefore able to spend the most.
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I'm really hoping for this.
 
Americano said:
Woodward's true value has not even made itself known. Within a few years, under the constraints of financial "fair play", his efforts will make us the most powerful club in the world. We'll be bringing in the most money and the most profitable, and therefore able to spend the most.
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It's true that Woodward making us even bigger juggernaut than we was but the spending issue still remains a matter of debate.
 
Ferguson said:
The midfield crisis might just be due to bad fortune.

Pogba - we were prepared for him to come into the squad, but he left us so he could get into the first team more quickly
Cleverley - one of the best to come through our youth setup, but he hasn't kicked on as expected
Anderson - kept looking like he was a good pre-season and a decent run in the first team away from being a top performer
Fletcher - cruelly struck down by illness in the prime of his career
Scholes - the sort of player who gets to decide for themselves when they will retire and is guaranteed to play until then
Ravel Morrison - personal issues prevented his projected path to the first team

It really was a perfect storm of bad luck. The club became too dependent on one player, Michael Carrick, to produce match after match and when he suffered an injury or drop in form or had to be used as defensive cover the whole team suffered along with him.

If we do spend big on Vidal along with Herrera, then it won't be for lack of trying to develop our own players or remain loyal to the one's we'd bought (I know, I know...Pogba could have been fast tracked in hindsight!).
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And that's without mentioning Hargreaves.
 
A bit of insight into the work Woodie and Arnold are doing on the commercial front. This Forbes article goes into some detail about how United are pulling ahead of the rest of the pack and it may be too much for even Madrid or Barcelona to compete with us in the future :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...wittersf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Some key observations :

  • Wall Street now affords United an enterprise value of $3.6 billion. Math: market value ($3.05 billion) + long term debt ($613 million) – cash ($57 million). In April, we valued Real Madrid as the world’s most valuable team, worth $3.3 billion with United second at $3.17 billion. That's a jump of almost $0.5 billion in just 3 months despite the lack of European football.
  • Spain is looking to have La Liga teams negotiate their next broadcasting deal collectively rather than having the individual teams sell their media rights. This will likely eliminate the huge television revenue advantage RM and Barcelona ($182 million each, with number two Atletico Madrid pulling in just $61 million) currently enjoy over their rivals.
  • Any such uniform negotiation could deprecate Madrid and Barcelona's revenue by upto $75 million.
Top Shirt Sponsorships

Team Sponsor & Avg. Annual Value

Manchester United GM (Chevrolet) - $80 million
Barcelona Qatar Airways - $45 million
Bayern Munich Deutsche Telekom - $40 million
Real Madrid Emirates - $39 million
Liverpool Standard Chartered - $31 million
Sunderland Invest in Africa - $31 million

Top Kit (uniform) Deals

Team Sponsor & Avg. Annual Value

Manchster United Adidas - $130 million
Arsenal Puma - $51 million
Real Madrid Adidas - $41 million
Liverpool Warrior - $39 million
Barcelona Nike - $38 million
Bayern Munich Adidas - $38 million
 
Invictus said:
A bit of insight into the work Woodie and Arnold are doing on the commercial front. This Forbes article goes into some detail about how United are pulling ahead of the rest of the pack and it may be too much for even Madrid or Barcelona to compete with us in the future :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...wittersf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Some key observations :

  • Wall Street now affords United an enterprise value of $3.6 billion. Math: market value ($3.05 billion) + long term debt ($613 million) – cash ($57 million). In April, we valued Real Madrid as the world’s most valuable team, worth $3.3 billion with United second at $3.17 billion. That's a jump of almost $0.5 billion in just 3 months despite the lack of European football.
  • Spain is looking to have La Liga teams negotiate their next broadcasting deal collectively rather than having the individual teams sell their media rights. This will likely eliminate the huge television revenue advantage RM and Barcelona ($182 million each, with number two Atletico Madrid pulling in just $61 million) currently enjoy over their rivals.
  • Any such uniform negotiation could deprecate Madrid and Barcelona's revenue by upto $75 million.
Top Shirt Sponsorships

Team Sponsor & Avg. Annual Value

Manchester United GM (Chevrolet) - $80 million
Barcelona Qatar Airways - $45 million
Bayern Munich Deutsche Telekom - $40 million
Real Madrid Emirates - $39 million
Liverpool Standard Chartered - $31 million
Sunderland Invest in Africa - $31 million

Top Kit (uniform) Deals

Team Sponsor & Avg. Annual Value

Manchster United Adidas - $130 million
Arsenal Puma - $51 million
Real Madrid Adidas - $41 million
Liverpool Warrior - $39 million
Barcelona Nike - $38 million
Bayern Munich Adidas - $38 million
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Say what you like about our guys upstairs but you cannot deny how great they are business wise.That just proves it. It is a relief to think that when FFP becomes a major part of the game we should not be affected by it to much.
 
Ferguson said:
The midfield crisis might just be due to bad fortune.

Pogba - we were prepared for him to come into the squad, but he left us so he could get into the first team more quickly
Cleverley - one of the best to come through our youth setup, but he hasn't kicked on as expected
Anderson - kept looking like he was a good pre-season and a decent run in the first team away from being a top performer
Fletcher - cruelly struck down by illness in the prime of his career
Scholes - the sort of player who gets to decide for themselves when they will retire and is guaranteed to play until then
Ravel Morrison - personal issues prevented his projected path to the first team

It really was a perfect storm of bad luck. The club became too dependent on one player, Michael Carrick, to produce match after match and when he suffered an injury or drop in form or had to be used as defensive cover the whole team suffered along with him.

If we do spend big on Vidal along with Herrera, then it won't be for lack of trying to develop our own players or remain loyal to the one's we'd bought (I know, I know...Pogba could have been fast tracked in hindsight!).
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That United would under-invest in the MF while, at the same time getting RvP and DDG--two positions that we had to improve makes no sense. As you suggest, I suspect that Fergie thought that Pogba, Morrison, Anderson and Cleverly would anchor the MF when Carrick and Scholes aged out.

It didn't work out--but divining a business model that purposively under-invests in a remarkably valuable asset from inactivity in transfer markets for MFs (for about 2-3 seasons) is a stretch.
 
SirAF said:
I'm really hoping for this.
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Woodward > Sheikh

If you think Woodward has the hot hand now, just imagine future possibilities. If things go our way, and we can use our advantage with FFP & a new PL television deal to win one or two more Champions League titles the money and success flowing in would be mindblowing. I doubt the other clubs in England could match the money machine that lives between the ears of Edward Woodward.
 
Can some please remind this fecker to sign a centreback. Preferably someone who's good in the air and doesn't spend a third of the season in a treatment room.
 
Petr1 said:
Seems like Vermaelen or Hummels are the ones we are considering. Vermaelen isnt very likely is it as Arsenal have no pressure to sell their captain. Gogo Hummels
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I thought Vlaar had an excellent tournament. As a Villla player, we tend to laugh at him a bit but Van Gaal had him playing like Stam Mk.II. Trouble is, Villa would ask a ridiculous fee for him but Hummels won't come cheap, even if we could tempt him to England.
 
Well done on the commercials Eddy. Sign some more players now, good lad.
 
ravelston said:
Interesting statement. In FY's 2006 and 2007 we spent a total of £101.8m on players - that's actually more than we'd spent in any three year period prior to the buyout. The result was a team that, with relatively few additions, won 5 league titles and got to 3 CL finals (winning 1) in 7 years. The amount spent exceeded that of Barcelona (4 league titles and 3 CL finals - winning 3) and Bayern (3 league titles and 3 CL finals - winning 1), but was substantially less than Real Madrid (3 league titles and 0 CL finals). Then came 2013-14 about which I will say nothing. Overall, in the context of the times, the spend in the first two Glazer years was consistent with our European rivals, exceeded what had been spent by the plc in the immediately prior period, and set us up for 7 years of success. Whether our failure to shore up midfield as the team slowly declined was due to SAF or the Glazers I doubt if we will ever know. And then came 2013-14 about which I will still say nothing.
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Net spend in first three years was £30 mil.

In the first two season the net spend was £5 million and ferguson took us from 3rd to 1st.

I would say that the glazers didn't invest proportionately to the success achieved and that it was only by the astute use of limited funds of SAF , that afforded the release of funds in later years...

3 years isn't a complete indication of the actual investment to success either... What top club had comparable success as united , including champions final appearances, in the last 10 years and what was their net spend, playbill and revenue generated?
 
KeninDC said:
Remarkably prescient post from August 2012 from @GCHQ:

"We'll have the highest commercial revenue of any sports club in the world by 2015/16, the first year after the fecking stupidly long PLC agreed Nike deal ends. You can quote me on that."

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/all...d-club-finances.280859/page-270#post-12071140
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The big elephant in the room will be the ability for United to sell their TV rights direct via the Internet. This will be the holy grail.

We know there are well-paying fans out there -- Adidas, Chevy Aon etc know it too.
 
Always felt getting the noodles on board was a step in the right direction. Exciting times.
 
Woodward is amazing at getting us sponsorship.

I wish he'd get involved with my local side I play for, we are sponsored and will have on our kit from next year... The Royal Bengal...
 
Speaking at the end of a week in which Van Gaal formally took charge at United, Woodward told MUTV: "He's got incredible energy and very importantly he likes attacking football"

"If you remember the Barcelona team [Van Gaal managed] in the late '90s, who played incredible, attacking football, and those games we had against them in '98-99 [when United won the Champions League], that's the kind of football Manchester United fans love."


"The second part of what he likes is giving youth a chance. He's got a track record littered with giving young players a break in the first team, who have gone on to be stars."

"Clearly that's Manchester United's philosophy and we want him to continue with that."

"We've got someone who has confidence in himself about making difficult decisions and, when you boil down what makes a great manager, one of the key characteristics is making difficult decisions and we’ve clearly got a manager who can do that."

Woodward believes Van Gaal has already made a big impact behind the scenes at the former Premier League champions.

He added: "There is real unity in the squad and Louis clearly has something to give in terms of the special way he has with his players when it comes to binding the team together.

"We've seen that already with the steps he's taken with the preparation and the training and the things going on around that.

"He's going to deliver exactly what we expect him to deliver and in conjunction with Ryan [Giggs, United's assistant manager], who has that great understanding of all these players."
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Some interesting quotes there, if you read between the lines about difficult decisions and attacking football.
 
Pexbo said:
Some interesting quotes there, if you read between the lines about difficult decisions and attacking football.
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He sure loves sticking the boot in doesn't he ? I'm certain that Woody has found himself a dream manager because LVG is exactly the kind if manager who will say ''keep your money, I want to see what that lad Lingard can do'' and if manages to hit that sweet spot ( third in the league with the occasional title/Cup) he will have the job for life here.
 
itso 7 said:
He sure loves sticking the boot in doesn't he ? I'm certain that Woody has found himself a dream manager because LVG is exactly the kind if manager who will say ''keep your money, I want to see what that lad Lingard can do'' and if manages to hit that sweet spot ( third in the league with the occasional title/Cup) he will have the job for life here.
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What an odd thing to say... Signing big players will make him look more capable and will attract more sponsors for the club. I'm pretty sure he wants to sign big players just like us, but it's not always possible.

The perfect manager for any chairman was Fergie, because he had the ability to make average players look like world beaters.
 
ottosec said:
What an odd thing to say... Signing big players will make him look more capable and will attract more sponsors for the club. I'm pretty sure he wants to sign big players just like us, but it's not always possible.

The perfect manager for any chairman was Fergie, because he had the ability to make average players look like world beaters.
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Well Van Gaal is renowned for avoiding the big money signings and if he can maintain an acceptable league position with a minimal transfer budget then Woodward would be in Wonderland, he is an accountant after all. I don't dispute that he will spend if LVG so wishes but I'm certain that Woodward would never force a £40m signing on him.
Fergie was a Chairman's dream because he was a winner and even though he spent shitloads he wasn't high maintenance,relatively, as you rightly pointed out .
 
Wonder if he gives any transfer hints in this interview.

Interesting he has done a full interview on MUTV anyway.


It's on 7 PM BST on MUTV for anyone wondering.
 
Pexbo said:
Some interesting quotes there, if you read between the lines about difficult decisions and attacking football.
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Looks like hes got some knowledge about football and knows himself what the club needs. That was always going to be tricky when choosing new manager. SAF had tipped MOyes to be his successor and it didn't work out who then makes the decision as who to appoint as manager. Owners know next to nothing who is the best suitable person, SAF has got a say but the one who chooses must be chief executive isn't he? So he must know something about football. I know we didn't started yet but I feel van Gaal was a good shot if not the best.. If it is like that I am more than happy our club is working well and don't waste tim with mediocre old-fashioned managers..
 
Zoo said:
This is his first TV interview, it's about time.
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Some say his vocal ability in simple conversation is akin to Mariah Carey's vocal olympics as he dances from the rich deep tones of Barry White right through to cleanest of Jeff Buckley styled Falsetto.
 
Have to say, was critical of Ed especially last summer. Looks as if he's turned it around which is great for him. I know a guy who met him some time ago and he said Ed's a decent fella and was just eager to impress. So hopefully onward and upward from here.
 
Woodward live @ MUTV.
 
If anyone can get a link to the interview after it's finished it will be much appreciated
 
Watching Ed's interview on MUTV right now. For some reason I thought he'd have an annoying tiny little voice on him but hes normal :P
 
"After matches I fall asleep in the car back home for a couple of hours"

Should have sacked Dave sooner, Ed.
 
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