Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%

  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%
  • Total voters
    177
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Nah he should surely be able to deliver all the main targets this summer, he will have something to prove due to all the criticism he got last summer. Shaw and Herrera can't be the only signings, we need 2/3 Van Persie type transfers, those are the ones that win league titles. So this summer will pretty much give as a good insight into how ambitious the Glazers actually are, or if they just wan't to keep us in the top 4.

He did say in the clubs annual conference meeting "That there will be significant investment, and at least 4 players will be coming in" So I'll hold him to his word.
 
I know he has got a lot of praise here but i dont think he has done anything special.

Paid £27.5 million for Fellaini much overpriced and no talent at all in him.

Matched the buy out clause for Herrera which forced his transfer, think David Moyes could have done this deal it was so simple.

Paid £30 million for Luke Shaw, probably £15 million to much if u ask me.

He still has not really proved himself in my opinion.
 
Vialli_92 said:
I know he has got a lot of praise here but i dont think he has done anything special.

Paid £27.5 million for Fellaini much overpriced and no talent at all in him.

Matched the buy out clause for Herrera which forced his transfer, think David Moyes could have done this deal it was so simple.

Paid £30 million for Luke Shaw, probably £15 million to much if u ask me.

He still has not really proved himself in my opinion.
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Since Moyes has left you have heard a lot of stories come out that we were in for a lot of players last season but all refused to come, say what you will but if we are negotiating for a player and he doesn't want to play for a unknown manager like Moyes what can our newly appointed CEO say? "dont worry about him he'll be gone by next season"

girish said:
And he has gone quiet since signing Shaw.
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I last heard he was in Spain
 
You can't knock his ability at selling sponsorship deals. The money him and his team bring in is stunning.

Keep going the way he is this summer (and Mata in January) with transfers and absolutely nobody will be able to complain about the job he does.
 
The Neviller said:
You can't knock his ability at selling sponsorship deals. The money him and his team bring in is stunning.

Keep going the way he is this summer (and Mata in January) with transfers and absolutely nobody will be able to complain about the job he does.
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Don't know exactly where he fitted but the Glazer's marketing team in general has done a sensational job at monetising the United brand since the takeover.

Not sure it's the same skillset required to buy and sell footballers though. Still got it all to prove in this regard IMO.
 
There will be a shortage of crows as many people will have to chow down on large helpings of the bird. Looks like United have done a great job in leveraging the brand to increase revenues. We're in a great financial position and will be able to throw our weight around in the transfer market.
 
KeninDC said:
There will be a shortage of crows as many people will have to chow down on large helpings of the bird. Looks like United have done a great job in leveraging the brand to increase revenues. We're in a great financial position and will be able to throw our weight around in the transfer market.
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And yet we have not once "thrown our financial muscle" around since the glazers took over... Money talks and yet we have never directly competed with our competitors for a players signature...

I don't care how much sponcorship the club gets, especially if the target of the owners is "minimum investment in club" for their ridiculous returns..

And no, before the Stockholm syndrome glazer sympathisers start carting out pathetic straw man excuses, not all owners would rape as much funds from the club.

What this deal signals is that the united brand is stronger then the importance of the teams success....
 
Drummer said:
And yet we have not once "thrown our financial muscle" around since the glazers took over...

I don't care how much sponcorship the club gets, especially if the target of the owners is "minimum investment in club" for their ridiculous returns..

And no, before the Stockholm syndrome glazer sympathisers start carting out pathetic straw man excuses, not all owners would rape as much funds from the club.

What this deal signals is that the united brand is stronger then the importance of the teams success....
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The two are intertwined and always will be. This deal doesn't change that.
 
Drummer said:
What this deal signals is that the united brand is stronger then the importance of the teams success....
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Ah come on, you can at least wait until this summer is over before saying that. It might be true that the most important thing to the Glazer's is the brand and income, well, it definitely is, but they know that in order to maintain that, we have to win things.
 
Underwhelming summer of transfers so far (Considering our league position) But hopefully Woody can do a little more magic.

Over £120million a year just from our kit sponsors (Not even including other deals we have), should let us blow anyone out the water financially, but It's up to the Glazers to reinvest that money!
 
Cinja el Shagawa said:
Ah come on, you can at least wait until this summer is over before saying that. It might be true that the most important thing to the Glazer's is the brand and income, well, it definitely is, but they know that in order to maintain that, we have to win things.
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This sponsorship deal is worth more then the actual value of the club when the glazers "bought" it.

We don't have to win things to maintain it and even at that you presume that the glazers don't intend on selling the club. If we get champions league spot this season they could simply sell it for a killing.....

No matter how good or bad we are united will get 75mil a year until 2026. If we remain in the epl, we will get at least 50mil a year.. That's 125mil a season irrespective of how we perform...

And again Liverpool have clearly shown that success is not imperative to make money!

Success helps but it's not that important to them at this stage..
 
Drummer said:
This sponsorship deal is worth more then the actual value of the club when the glazers "bought" it.

We don't have to win things to maintain it and even at that you presume that the glazers don't intend on selling the club. If we get champions league spot this season they could simply sell it for a killing.....

No matter how good or bad we are united will get 75mil a year until 2026. If we remain in the epl, we will get at least 50mil a year..

And again Liverpool have clearly shown that success is not imperative to make money!

Success helps but it's not that important to them at this stage..
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I'm not just talking about the deal. I'm talking about the overall brand of the club.
 
Drummer said:
This sponsorship deal is worth more then the actual value of the club when the glazers "bought" it.

We don't have to win things to maintain it and even at that you presume that the glazers don't intend on selling the club. If we get champions league spot this season they could simply sell it for a killing.....

No matter how good or bad we are united will get 75mil a year until 2026. If we remain in the epl, we will get at least 50mil a year.. That's 125mil a season irrespective of how we perform...

And again Liverpool have clearly shown that success is not imperative to make money!

Success helps but it's not that important to them at this stage..
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The more succesful the club is, the more money they make. On that basis, I would say success is clearly very important to them.

To put it another way, if they're not bothered about whether the club is succesful or not they would be the only football club owners on the planet to be of that mindset.
 
Dominos said:
Could the deal have been even higher had we qualified for CL do we reckon?
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No, the deal is clearly based on the Club's world wide image and not one season out of the UCL.
 
I bet there's a few Zeros on the end of Woody's bonus package. Fully deserved too. There's already evidence that we're going in the right direction with player recruitment, which is the most important aspect for us fans. There's a buzz about the club again.
 
Ferguson said:
Those sponsors aren't paying for a team that fails to qualify for Champions League football.
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Adidas just did pay 750mil for a team that didn't qualify for the champions league and finished 7th in the league..

Again, I am saying the level of investment in the squad is nowhere near the proportion of money the club is making.

Look at uniteds success in comparison to Madrid, barca, bayern , city and Chelsea over the last 10 years. We have consistantly been the lowest spenders of all those clubs in comparison to money the club makes and success attainted on the pitch .. Success on the park was down to the genius of SAF....

Simple power of deduction would clearly suggest that it suited them to take a gamble with a manager like moyes who had a pedigree in not spending and getting teams to succeed above the investment in the squad. The club has a distaster of a season and finished 7th and yet managed to get a sponsorship deal that is more then double that of any club in the world... You think the glazers think that it's crisis at the club in finishing 7th?

The facts and actions of the glazers in the 9 years they have owned the club do not in any level support the view that they believe in investing in the team to garner success. People are talking about what they think the glazers should do instead of looking and awknowledging what they have actually done....
 
Drummer said:
Adidas just did pay 750mil for a team that didn't qualify for the champions league and finished 7th in the league..

Again, I am saying the level of investment in the squad is nowhere near the proportion of money the club is making.

Look at uniteds success in comparison to Madrid, barca, bayern , city and Chelsea over the last 10 years. We have consistantly been the lowest spenders of all those clubs in comparison to money the club makes and success attainted on the pitch .. Success on the park was down to the genius of SAF....

Simple power of deduction would clearly suggest that it suited them to take a gamble with a manager like moyes who had a pedigree in not spending and getting teams to succeed above the investment in the squad. The club has a distaster of a season and finished 7th and yet managed to get a sponsorship deal that is more then double that of any club in the world... You think the glazers think that it's crisis at the club in finishing 7th?

The facts and actions of the glazers in the 9 years they have owned the club do not in any level support the view that they believe in investing in the team to garner success. People are talking about what they think the glazers should do instead of looking and awknowledging what they have actually done....
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Get a grip man. The interest rates are few year back were severe - almost 70 %. Now it's eased back to 20 %. Yes they've been shitty owners so far and might never earn the trust of United supporters - but they have loosened the purse strings a bit in recent times - evinced by the purchase of RVP, Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, Shaw etc. That's more than 150 million for the past 2 seasons - without much in terms of sales. They know they have to spend to protect the brand - people don't earn billions by being daft. There's still some ways to go in the window. If the Herrera transfer is any indication none of us or the journos might have a clue when the signings are coming. Just sit back and relax. Woodward will handle it...
 
I wish this guy would negotiate job interviews for me, reckon he could get me on a six figure salary just stacking shelves at asda. Imagine when he gets a bit more used to this transfer lark, Vidal + £40 million for Nani and Evra.
 
Woodward is a god. Start building the statue. "Debt is the road to ruin"? He has saved the club from potential financial ruin. He has bought the club twice over with Adidas's and Chevrolet's money. The long-term future of the club is secure, after all the hand-wringing and essays about the Glazers. This is how big business is done, risk and reward. We are now in the reward phase.

We cannot afford to lose this guy to some other club or industry. The only way we could replace him would be with a printing press that makes sheets of hundred pound notes. I just wish he was a Yank, then he would be perfect! Although for an Englishman, he's got a lot of American business spirit and savvy so I give him honorary status.

He will sign more players. This man is a quick study. If he can fleece major corporations then he can seduce a few football agents. So don't worry about that. If you want to worry about something, worry about Barcelona or Citibank tapping up Woodward!
 
Drummer said:
Adidas just did pay 750mil for a team that didn't qualify for the champions league and finished 7th in the league..

Again, I am saying the level of investment in the squad is nowhere near the proportion of money the club is making.

Look at uniteds success in comparison to Madrid, barca, bayern , city and Chelsea over the last 10 years. We have consistantly been the lowest spenders of all those clubs in comparison to money the club makes and success attainted on the pitch .. Success on the park was down to the genius of SAF....

Simple power of deduction would clearly suggest that it suited them to take a gamble with a manager like moyes who had a pedigree in not spending and getting teams to succeed above the investment in the squad. The club has a distaster of a season and finished 7th and yet managed to get a sponsorship deal that is more then double that of any club in the world... You think the glazers think that it's crisis at the club in finishing 7th?

The facts and actions of the glazers in the 9 years they have owned the club do not in any level support the view that they believe in investing in the team to garner success. People are talking about what they think the glazers should do instead of looking and awknowledging what they have actually done....
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Adidas are paying us that kind of money because it's only been one bad season. Multiple seasons hovering around 4th place or worse and I can guarantee you that the next round of sponsorship renewals will be nowhere near as lucrative as what they are now. United bring in that kind of commercial revenue because of our success that made us the club with the biggest global popularity. Multiple seasons without winning anything and the bandwagon fans will start supporting another club a.k.a. lesser fanbase i.e. sponsors don't have an incentive to pay us as much money.

When Ferguson was manager, yes, there was underinvestment in the squad. Whether that's down to Ferguson not wanting to invest in midfield or whether the Glazers held back money is another story. However, it's already clear in the past 12 months that the post-Ferguson era will be completely different in that the Glazers will sanction money if the manager asks them to. We've already spent 120m on transfers in the past 12 months and that's not counting the deals we'll try to conclude before the window finishes.

Make no mistake. The club earns the most money when they win trophies. The Glazers know this. They also know that Ferguson is no longer in charge to make miracles out of a relatively average squad, hence why they're backing the new manager with money. Also, with the debt no longer crippling the club, they now have no excuse to the fans for not spending money.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Don't know exactly where he fitted but the Glazer's marketing team in general has done a sensational job at monetising the United brand since the takeover.

Not sure it's the same skillset required to buy and sell footballers though. Still got it all to prove in this regard IMO.
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He would have specialists in the marketing team monetising the brand. If he doesn't already, I'm sure he will employ negotiators specifically for transfers.

In fact the Juan Mata transfer was negotiated by a third party, that may have been Mata's dad. Good tactic, ring the player's parents and convince them.

Drummer said:
And yet we have not once "thrown our financial muscle" around since the glazers took over... Money talks and yet we have never directly competed with our competitors for a players signature...

I don't care how much sponcorship the club gets, especially if the target of the owners is "minimum investment in club" for their ridiculous returns..

And no, before the Stockholm syndrome glazer sympathisers start carting out pathetic straw man excuses, not all owners would rape as much funds from the club.

What this deal signals is that the united brand is stronger then the importance of the teams success....
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Louis van Gaal will accept only ambition to be the best.

His signing suggests the club have big ambition. Even if strong brand is even bigger ambition, I'm happy if they give Louis freedom to dictate and build his vision.

If we know one thing, they like to give manager freedom to dictate.

Matador8 said:
I bet there's a few Zeros on the end of Woody's bonus package. Fully deserved too. There's already evidence that we're going in the right direction with player recruitment, which is the most important aspect for us fans. There's a buzz about the club again.
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Drummer will be disappointed. He thinks we are running a charity and Woody should not get paid for his good work because that is the fans money.
 
Melvyn said:
Make no mistake. The club earns the most money when they win trophies. The Glazers know this. They also know that Ferguson is no longer in charge to make miracles out of a relatively average squad, hence why they're backing the new manager with money. Also, with the debt no longer crippling the club, they now have no excuse to the fans for not spending money.
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I wouldn't say Ferguson intended the squad to be as average as it was, I think he thought Young, Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Cleverley and even Kagawa genuinely would be better than they were and so thought he was getting a fair deal. I also don't think he expected to lose Pogba the way he did.

As it was, the squad ended up poor as mistakes were made however Ferguson still managed to get the most out of them.

We have a new manager who also has shown at this world cup and at AZ what he can do with an average squad. He will work miracles too but of course we cannot be sure the next man will so Louis van Gaal must succeed in leaving behind not just a great team but also in that team must be several world class players.
 
Americano said:
Woodward is a god. Start building the statue. "Debt is the road to ruin"? He has saved the club from potential financial ruin. He has bought the club twice over with Adidas's and Chevrolet's money. The long-term future of the club is secure, after all the hand-wringing and essays about the Glazers. This is how big business is done, risk and reward. We are now in the reward phase.

We cannot afford to lose this guy to some other club or industry. The only way we could replace him would be with a printing press that makes sheets of hundred pound notes. I just wish he was a Yank, then he would be perfect! Although for an Englishman, he's got a lot of American business spirit and savvy so I give him honorary status.

He will sign more players. This man is a quick study. If he can fleece major corporations then he can seduce a few football agents. So don't worry about that. If you want to worry about something, worry about Barcelona or Citibank tapping up Woodward!
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What's interesting with the risk and reward point, it was a risk for Glazers but not Manchester United since they would be bankrupt but the club would be sold to another buyer and so continue operating. That buyer could have been somebody wealthy or even a group of people or a fans organisation, the banks would not want maximum profit but instead to simply get their money back.

People act as if had we been bankrupted the club would be no more but I don't think this is true.
 
Empire said:
I wouldn't say Ferguson intended the squad to be as average as it was, I think he thought Young, Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Cleverley and even Kagawa genuinely would be better than they were and so thought he was getting a fair deal. I also don't think he expected to lose Pogba the way he did.

As it was, the squad ended up poor as mistakes were made however Ferguson still managed to get the most out of them.

We have a new manager who also has shown at this world cup and at AZ what he can do with an average squad. He will work miracles too but of course we cannot be sure the next man will so Louis van Gaal must succeed in leaving behind not just a great team but also in that team must be several world class players.
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What I meant was that Ferguson won the league with a relatively average squad, regardless of his intentions. I don't think any other manager could have done that. That's why the Glazers could get away with not investing in the squad. However Ferguson is no longer here. Any manager coming in will need financial backing. And based on the past 12 months, it seems like they are doing so. I have no doubt that they are backing LVG with a lot of money. Van Gaal would also have sought reassurances that he would be given funds to rebuild the squad before signing on as manager.
 
Drummer said:
Adidas just did pay 750mil for a team that didn't qualify for the champions league and finished 7th in the league..

Again, I am saying the level of investment in the squad is nowhere near the proportion of money the club is making.

Look at uniteds success in comparison to Madrid, barca, bayern , city and Chelsea over the last 10 years. We have consistantly been the lowest spenders of all those clubs in comparison to money the club makes and success attainted on the pitch .. Success on the park was down to the genius of SAF....

Simple power of deduction would clearly suggest that it suited them to take a gamble with a manager like moyes who had a pedigree in not spending and getting teams to succeed above the investment in the squad. The club has a distaster of a season and finished 7th and yet managed to get a sponsorship deal that is more then double that of any club in the world... You think the glazers think that it's crisis at the club in finishing 7th?

The facts and actions of the glazers in the 9 years they have owned the club do not in any level support the view that they believe in investing in the team to garner success. People are talking about what they think the glazers should do instead of looking and awknowledging what they have actually done....
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Interesting statement. In FY's 2006 and 2007 we spent a total of £101.8m on players - that's actually more than we'd spent in any three year period prior to the buyout. The result was a team that, with relatively few additions, won 5 league titles and got to 3 CL finals (winning 1) in 7 years. The amount spent exceeded that of Barcelona (4 league titles and 3 CL finals - winning 3) and Bayern (3 league titles and 3 CL finals - winning 1), but was substantially less than Real Madrid (3 league titles and 0 CL finals). Then came 2013-14 about which I will say nothing. Overall, in the context of the times, the spend in the first two Glazer years was consistent with our European rivals, exceeded what had been spent by the plc in the immediately prior period, and set us up for 7 years of success. Whether our failure to shore up midfield as the team slowly declined was due to SAF or the Glazers I doubt if we will ever know. And then came 2013-14 about which I will still say nothing.
 
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