They will go eventually, probably at the end of the window when clubs are down to their "last resort" picks.
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Young should be the first to go, shortly followed by Anderson and Nani. If he can do that, it'll be a great set achievements this summer.
I don't think getting rid will be hard. The question is how much we are willing to sacrifice financially.
Woody walkin' into OT be like
If we're being honest we all knew Shaw deal was done in principle months ago, maybe even during Moyes time. I'm sure the groundwork on the Herrera deal was done last Summer too. At least he didn't mess them up but realistically this is the minimum I expected, just hope there's a Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Robben, Vidal, Sanchez to make it a good transfer window.
I think those concerns turned out to be valid in that our mistakes last summer have cost the club dearly. Fortunately the club has the money, and Edward the ballsack, to make the necessary changes and get the ship back on course.
Best part about Herrera/Shaw signings is no one cares City just signed Fernando 
, media isgetting all over our transfers. Maybe in the next day we'll see picture of Shaw&Herrera both smiling in their red shirts and a little tittle below "oh btw Liverpool signed Lallana, more details inside" . Well done, Ed.
, media isgetting all over our transfers. Maybe in the next day we'll see picture of Shaw&Herrera both smiling in their red shirts and a little tittle below "oh btw Liverpool signed Lallana, more details inside" . Well done, Ed.The last decade SAF averaged 50-60 millions spent per years on transfers. Seeing us signing Shaw and Herrera just makes me wonder how our team would look if every year we bought two world-class young players like Rooney/Rio rather than 6-10 smaller fee transfers like Oberton, Owen and so forth.
Now now lets not get greedy. We don't need to spend £30m on squad players, also we don't need to buy first team players every year.
7.30am and who have you signed today Woody?
Useless!
Useless!
Have we signed a sponsorship deal this summer? Get the kit deal done!
I would not mind if Nani stays. He is inconsistent but he has the quality to be a back-up option along with Valencia. Januzaj and a new winger should be first choice though.
Clearly waiting for the new signings before doing the kit deal. Let's face it, who would you expect the kit manufacturer to pay more for being able to advertise their kit with them wearing it? Cleverley, Young, Anderson or Herrera, Shaw, .............?
I reckon it must be done before our first game in preseason. Can't see us playing in last season's kit when Chevrolet is now our sponsor.
It's just so strange not to have announced this being so close to preseason, it's bound to have a negative impact on sales.Because a natural born winner like ferguson for no rational reason whatsoever wanted to hamper his own chances of improving and protecting his legacy by limiting himself to be only able to buy players with a good potential resale value????
Moreso, he was happy to let other clubs spend more then united and take the chance that he could succeed on a thrifty budget, just for the fun of it....
The best thing about this summer is we're not penny pinching. Gill and Sir Alex were to set in their ways of what they think is value for money.
I suspect they're waiting till after the World Cup to announce it for maximum coverage.
Im not so sure.. LvG I'm sure will want to have a look at them, maybe even revive some of them.. Id say that January is a best bet..
you still fail to understand including van gaal is a moot point since it was contingent on the board choosing him and not woodward. it's good he and van gaal were able come to an agreement but the fundamental point is the board settled on van gaal. If Woodward wasn able to find an agreement with a candidate the board picked, there would be serious question marks over Woodward's ability.A bit from mark ogden's article, it's a old article and posted and discussed in previous pages.
"In terms of personality, Woodward is the guy who would walk into a Las Vegas casino and plunge £1 million on red, while Moyes would shake his head and reluctantly put a fiver on black."
Mata/Van gaal/ Herrera (hopefully) - Woodward knows what's he doing.
#teamwoody
*pretend last summer didn't happen
That being said, he's helped himself out with the herrera and shaw deals so good for him.
why dont you read andy mitten's column on it then. he talks about it there.
I think we are doing the opposite of last year as we are getting the realistic targets tied up (Shaw Herrera) then hopefully we go all out for a superstar signing and if we fail not much damage done as the last 3 signings all have real quality and also Zaha and Fellaini have the possibility to be excellent regardless how both have bombed so far.
I'm not sure Fellaini will fit in van Gaal's system lawman. He was just a mistake, pretty much the same as hiring David Moyes was. Hopefully Zaha will get his head down and show the incoming manager what he can do.
the best one!
On the other had, a guy who dealt with bosses since he was a kid and went into open war with the two previous owners and also never was afraid to speak things, suddenly became a pussycat just to make Drummer's version of universe more legit. This makes sense much more.
He hasn't bought anyone yet today? He's slipping...
I think Ferguson liked his squad players.
I do agree with you though, I'd like us to work on the principle of having two players per position, one world class and one world class potential and then players that have past their peak who chose to stay with us would add further quality, depth and experience to the side.
The world class potential player would be content with a squad role from the age of 18 - 22 because they would get games but once around 22 years of age we could then sell the older world class player for quite a bit and a new young world class potential player (17 - 18) comes in.
This falls apart when the world class potential player does not fulfil his potential but then again we just keep the older player and let somebody else take his position.
E.g. We sell player in prime, 22 year old (e.g. Hazard was 22 start of season just gone) plays as first choice. An 18 year old Januzaj is the world class potential player who develops as second choice to Hazard. The 18 year old after five seasons is now 23 and becomes first choice with a new 18 year old taking his place, we sell the now 27 Hazard for £50m - £70m.
If the 18 year old Januzaj doesn't develop for whatever reason, whether it be injuries or lack of mentality, then we keep the 27 year old Hazard who will be 31 before the next 18 year old becomes 22.
If at this point the new 18 year old player doesn't become world class then we would probably have a lot of money from selling players in their prime that we could just buy somebody else around 23 when absolutely needed.
An example is Juventus.
They want to build a team that can do well both domestically and in Europe. They are well ahead of their next domestic rival therefore it makes logical sense to sell 27 year old Vidal for £50m and let 21 year old Pogba fulfil his role. Conte likes 4-4-2 so he could use the money to buy some quality wide players.
By selling Vidal they will still be the strongest team domestically however they can use the money to start building a team that will be even stronger.
Also, say they sell Pogba now and get £40 - £50m and keep Vidal, he will be worth little when 32 in five years time. On the other hand if they sell Vidal and then sell Pogba when he is 27, they will have £100m+.
World class potential isn't easy to judge though, we probably thought Anderson, Nani and Cleverley had that. But still, if you try, you are bound to get it right with quite a few players and make some serious money.
E.g. Ronaldo money could have been used to buy 3 world class potential youngsters and then add our normal transfer budget, that's about 5. If we sell a world class player for £40m - £50m, which is more realistic, added on to our normal transfer budget, we would be signing 3 - 4 world class potential players that season.
He has become complacent.
I think we'll have a bit of a wait for our next signing. It's likely our other targets are still in the world cup so we'll have to wait for them to be knocked out.
But it's good we've tied up two already.
But it's good we've tied up two already.
He's done well, but he still looks like a pinhead.
This again..
Strange thing is, I don't even recall making any signings for resell purposes.. have we actually made money on our players except for Ronaldo?
Back on topic, no signing today, #WoodwardOUT
What the hell is this? You obviously put some effort into it but how you expect the young player to have developed in 5 seasons as back up? Players like Rooney and Shaw developed because they were 1st choice from an early age.
Best part about Herrera/Shaw signings is no one cares City just signed Fernando
No one would care about City signing Fernando anyway, they sign dozens of players of this calibre and he won't change much there. Shaw and Herrera are much bigger signings, both of them young and regarded as one of top talents in their positions.
You know...football, and indeed life in general, is not just a simple maths problem that a 10 year old could solve.
That makes it even easier to implement then.
You could look for versatility in a player so even if you have two players for one position, both with world class potential, you pick one and play him first choice but the other one could still get games in another position (e.g. Januzaj can play LAM / LW, CAM / SS. RAM / RW). And if he develops then great but if not, hopefully you can still sell him on for something decent.
You would basically have the transfer policy of primarily targeting teenagers with obvious world class potential. And when they are in their prime, if somebody younger comes along (like Pogba - Vidal scenario) then you sell the player in his prime and get a lot for him, that's even more money to invest.
You would need a solid scouting network though but I'm sure this could be implemented.
Take Hernandez, not after Moyes ruined this but him after Ferguson's last season, despite not looking to be a regular starter for us such was his quality at that point we could have still got £20m - £25m for him, like how Real Madrid got £32m for Higuain.
Seems an obvious transfer policy to sign world class potential youngsters but there must be a reason it's not that commonplace (to my knowledge).
You are saying the policy of signing potential world class level teenagers would be less effective than signing players at the level of Oberton, Valencia or Young, you could be right as Ferguson must have done that for a reason.
We are not a team that tends to sign world class level players. We will when it is a necessity or a rare opportunity (where a player is available at a fantastic price) presents itself (RVP) and I like this, we should continue to be opportunistic. But I do like the idea of spending our transfer budget on world class level teenagers or players in their 20s available at a very good price that are expected to become world class soon.
It won't always work out but you would expect it to still lead to a great team because it will work out enough of the time. Kagawa is an example of a player expected to become world class and so we bought him at a great price but he disappointed however he could have (and could still) reach this potential.
In the case of Valencia or Young and even players like Lallana, they were / are only ever going to be good players therefore I do think there is an argument one could instead target world class potential teenagers instead, where possible.
All top teams already attempt this.
Problem is, identifying world class potential is hard, and getting them cheap is even harder.
I'm saying nothing of the sort. You're basically advocating an Arsene-Wenger-on-steroids transfer policy. Which is a rubbish idea, just ask Wenger. Anyway, how do you identify a 'potentially world class young player', for every position, who still wants to come to you in the knowledge you'll ship him off as soon as you either find out he's brilliant or find out he's not?
I mean take the great forwards in the world today - Cavani, Falcao were unheard of whereas the likes of Benzema, Neymar cost ridiculous money. The likes of Van Persie, Suarez, and Ibrahimovic were spoilt brats / trouble makers who managers took a punt on but it certainly wasn't without risk.
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Berbatov? Robin van Persie?
The evidence suggests (and this appeared in the media at the time) that Fergie/Gill reacted to the arrival of Abramovich's Chelsea, with their apparently unlimited funds, by taking a strategic decision to avoid direct competition at the top of the transfer market by spotting and acquiring potentially world class younger players. This plan took two forms: the first was academy recruitment, resulting in the acquisition of players like Rossi, Pique, Pogba and Januzaj; the second was the expenditure of larger sums of money on older players who had yet to fully mature, like Nani and Anderson. As it happened neither branch of the strategy paid much dividends.
The budget wasn't particularly thrifty. Between 2006 and the end of his reign Fergie spent the guts of £300M - more than enough to buy half a dozen world class players. The only indisputably world class players we got for all that money were De Gea and Van Persie. If you compare what Bayern did with similar expenditure over the same period, you understand the dimensions of our failure.
It wasn't that Fergie/Gill were starved of funds; they simply spent our money badly. The "buy 'em young and grow 'em" philosophy and the equally misguided "value in the market" crackpottery were at fault.
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