Credit certainly has to go to Woodward for keeping the deal behind-the-scenes. Nobody saw this coming while hapless journalists were linking us with all sorts of names. A proper way to conduct business. Although, I still won't believe it till it's official. Its a midfielder ffs.
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How on earth could you possibly know that?
I don't get all this Woodward leaking stuff etc:
Van gaal's approach was reported by Dutch Telegraaf not British media
Mata, it was reported in British media that we are not interested.
Now this apparently imminent Hereera deal which no one had clue about
If anything Woodward played media hype to our club's advantage, always keeping us in headlines with "200 mill" transfer budget or we are signing (x) player. We had a terrible season and we needed to make some noise in media regarding our transfers. If we fans believe it and fall for it, I don't get why we blame Woodward for it.
Van gaal's approach was reported by Dutch Telegraaf not British media
Mata, it was reported in British media that we are not interested.
Now this apparently imminent Hereera deal which no one had clue about
If anything Woodward played media hype to our club's advantage, always keeping us in headlines with "200 mill" transfer budget or we are signing (x) player. We had a terrible season and we needed to make some noise in media regarding our transfers. If we fans believe it and fall for it, I don't get why we blame Woodward for it.
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Lets keep it real, most of the credit belongs to LVG for advising Ed to keep his mouth shut during negotiations.
It was reported that Woodward was advised to keep a low profile during the Mata transfer.
It was felt that Chelsea would try to insert Rooney as part of the negotiations and Woodward was told to keep far away from it.
I think he is great at signing sponsorship deals but signing players is a different matter entirely.
Thank goodness LVG is here to hold his hand or else we would have Cesc, Kroos and Mueller trailing us along all summer till they got those bumper contracts that they want.
Lets keep it real, most of the credit belongs to LVG for advising Ed to keep his mouth shut during negotiations.
It was reported that Woodward was advised to keep a low profile during the Mata transfer.
It was felt that Chelsea would try to insert Rooney as part of the negotiations and Woodward was told to keep far away from it.
I think he is great at signing sponsorship deals but signing players is a different matter entirely.
Thank goodness LVG is here to hold his hand or else we would have Cesc, Kroos and Mueller trailing us along all summer till they got those bumper contracts that they want.
You completely misunderstood what happened there.
Woodward conducted and completed that deal perfectly well. He wasn't advised to do anything, he knew that everything had to be done through intermediates as if he sat on the table to negotiate face to face he felt there was a good chance Rooney's name would come up and as we didn't want to sell him to them we had to avoid that happening. As a result, we negotiated through Mata, his agent and third party lawyers which meant that they never had an opportunity to get the upper hand in the negotiations. We got Mata to speak to Abramovic personally who then OK'd a deal on the basis that his valuation was met. The third party lawyers then went in with the official bid which had essentially been pre-accepted by Abramovic as long as he kept to his word and the deal was pushed through.
It was as complicated a transfer as you could like and yet rather than getting credit for it people still look to discredit him with nonsense like you have posted above or daft stories of Gill and Fergie making the deal because they happened to watch the game.
Oh he's been getting credit since he said, "enough is enough" and sacked Moyes
Finally... he's finally closing this deal with full completion like he should one year ago. There's a light in the tunnel for Ed but still there's more talents to hunt this summer.
Moments of truth for the chairman.
Moments of truth for the chairman.
This transfer proves how incompetent Woodward was last Summer. Feel for Moyes, but not like Herrera would have improved our results that drastically under Moyes.
It shows the complete opposite, really. Woodwad was chasing shadows with Dithering Dave.
It's because people were basing it on hunches and general feelings rather than facts. Because football fans desperate for transfers turn into idiots.
Sacked Moyes
Told Mancini to piss off, that he wasn't getting the job
Gets Big Louis
Signs a midfielder on the sly
And is not letting Fergie rule the roost (Which is apparently what's happening)
Starting to like him I must admit
Told Mancini to piss off, that he wasn't getting the job
Gets Big Louis
Signs a midfielder on the sly
And is not letting Fergie rule the roost (Which is apparently what's happening)
Starting to like him I must admit
His off to a good start.
being populist may work in the short term ....
Bang on. He's been discredited from the start by people who wouldn't have a clue about the intricacies of a football transfer. I don't profess to either, which is why I don't feel the need to criticise the guy for every little thing that people perceive he's done wrong. He's signed Mata and possibly now Herrera, and all indications suggest the deals we might have done but didn't fell through because our manager at the time wanted to scout them further.
Credit where it's due.
Aye true....But the fact he's not backing down from Fergie shows, he at least, has a backbone is trying to get the club to evolve.
Fergie, apparently, is not very happy about this
He's clearly under pressure also by Glazers themselves. Lack of Champions League means financial losses that's aimed directly against no other than our happy Jewish family forced to have a Christmas this year.
Interesting that Graham Hunter said that Woodward wanted to pay Herrera's release clause last summer, but Moyes decided that he hasn't seen enough of him and wanted to sign a player that he knows better as his first signing. And we all know how that turned out.
Did a really good job keeping things quiet this time. Even the usual know all journalists were taken by surprise. Maybe all the leaks weren't from him, after all...
Did a really good job keeping things quiet this time. Even the usual know all journalists were taken by surprise. Maybe all the leaks weren't from him, after all...
tbf the club benefitted from having power shared between the money men (glazers) and football man (fergie). We are now witnessing the money men taking full control.
So appearantly, We got a leak that Louis van Gaal told Ed not to leak a tiny bit of information inside the club. Oh wait, what? I'm so lost...
I agree with you but, Fergie should have no power or influence over decisions made, be it football or financial, at the club now. Unless of course he's asked. That's a different story.
If he didn't want to lose power, he shouldn't have retired.
I will not give him credit fully until he proves he can sign X Y and Z. One signing does not mean your a conqueror, until he proves he can be ruthless in the transfer market, I still do not think he's the right man
Mata and Herrera. There's X and Y then, right? Just Z to go?
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if you prefer all the decisions to be taken by those who are exclusively bothered about their fat pockets, then that s something else...
if you prefer all the decisions to be taken by those who are exclusively bothered about their fat pockets, then that s something else...
Yea Zidane LOL
Huh?! Where have I said that?
LVG is the manager. He should be the one calling the shots on the football side of things!
I clearly said, Fergie should not be making decisions since he's retired and no longer our manager. If he didn't want to lose his power, why did he reitre in the first place? I never said I wanted or believe that the money men should be dictating the footballing decisions at the club.
We have a manager, you know. I guess that he gives some input too.
I don't see why people are so anti-Woodward. Apart from the fact that we don't know all the details behind last summer's disappointing window (was it moyes ruling out certain players, was it Woodward's incompetence???) we have to remember that it was the first few weeks of his reign as CEO. Since last summer he has signed Mata (and that deal was extremely well done) sacked Moyes, and hired LvG. Lets wait for these supposed transfers to go through before giving him even more credit, but I think he's done enough since last summer for us to show some faith in the guy.
Yep. At-least on Garay case this is confirmed from the player while there were strong reports that the same happened with Thiago.
I never understood exactly the criticism for Woody, we don't know anything about him, about who we really are interested, about if the coach wants the players from the previous regime and if the players want to come here. Criticizing him is knee-jerk teenager behavior.
It's been reported he said the same about Herrera, that he wanted to wait and see more of him himself.
Yep. Pretty sure either it was that or he had to choose between him and Fellaini and chose Fellaini instead.
lvg or any other manager never have the power fergie used to have, so for me that balance in power has been lost
That simply isn't true, we very publicly went for both.
Hunter said in his piece on Herrera today that Woodward wanted to pay the release clause and Moyes wanted to wait and watch him more first, and they only decided to go ahead late in the day. I think a lot of stuff Woodward gets blamed for was down to Moyes trying to be too thorough, given how important last summer was.
We'll have to see how Ed and Big Louis' relationship develops I guess
When the season started i think people were just looking for a scapegoat given the shambles of the the summer transfers and given that SAFs words of "support the new manager" ringing in peoples ears the focus was put onto Woodward. I also believe the media played its part - you would always hear "Woodward was inexperienced in working out the deals"... Yes he deals with multi-million pound deals week in week out but can't manage to work out how to meet a players buy out clause!
Seriously i think people were expecting him to scout players when it was never his job to do that, he gets given a name and he (and his team) work out the deal to get them.
Side story you do wonder why this season our transfers and extension deals have been all hush hush when last season we seemed to brief papers on our targets and bids...
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The potential signing of Herrera reminds me of a Fergie/Gill type signing out of nowhere. And I prefer it that way rather than long drawn sagas.
I've read that from Hunter but he at times is a bullshiter. Still, it wouldn't surprise me that Moyes dithered in that case. Not signing Garay (confirmed from the player himself) and Alcantara (strongly tumoured) was criminal though.
Agree with everything in this post.
I think given time (purely based on a hunch and being an unabashed Woowar supporter) EW will prove to be a more than capable CEO of United and has had to endure disproportionate amounts of grief. Perhaps last summer proved to be too chaotic to navigate for a relative newbie but hopefully he's learnt some lessons from that and built a better portfolio with other club CEOs, presidents, directors and agents. (The UEFA appointment does indicate that the powers that be are beginning to take notice of his business acumen).
Some of what he says does seem really positive. In this podcast after 35:00 (probably the only EW audible available) there are a few interesting points to note :
https://audioboo.fm/boos/1684251-un...d-moyes-and-peter-schmeichel-join-andy-mitten
1. The growing revenue allows United to spend a lot more on players (how the dip this past season factors in remains to be seen though).
2. If there are top players available we have the ability to invest.
3. United won't lose on existing top players in the squad in terms of being outpriced.
4. He doesn't like the fact that United has very few players in the Ballon D'Or shortlist and it's something he feels needs to be remedied (probably why he craves more marquee signings).
Now was it was just PR groundwork is something that we aren't privy to. Whether he can actually walk the remains to be seen. Guess we'll find out this summer.
I really like the analogy from Mark Ogden though :
It seems to me that EW isn't afraid to splurge on big signings/ Mancunian galacticos (perhaps the rather confusing Cavani link was an indication to that effect).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...t-of-Louis-van-Gaal-at-Manchester-United.html
Some of what he says does seem really positive. In this podcast after 35:00 (probably the only EW audible available) there are a few interesting points to note :
https://audioboo.fm/boos/1684251-un...d-moyes-and-peter-schmeichel-join-andy-mitten
1. The growing revenue allows United to spend a lot more on players (how the dip this past season factors in remains to be seen though).
2. If there are top players available we have the ability to invest.
3. United won't lose on existing top players in the squad in terms of being outpriced.
4. He doesn't like the fact that United has very few players in the Ballon D'Or shortlist and it's something he feels needs to be remedied (probably why he craves more marquee signings).
Now was it was just PR groundwork is something that we aren't privy to. Whether he can actually walk the remains to be seen. Guess we'll find out this summer.
I really like the analogy from Mark Ogden though :
It seems to me that EW isn't afraid to splurge on big signings/ Mancunian galacticos (perhaps the rather confusing Cavani link was an indication to that effect).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...t-of-Louis-van-Gaal-at-Manchester-United.html
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